Panasonic GX10 (rumoured, FT4)

morinor wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I have tried the tilting evf - didn't like it and have not needed it. I just tilt the lcd when I need tilt.

Blasphemy. That tilting EVF is the GX series crowning glory. Over 2 years in with my G9, I still miss that flippy EVF. I'll happily admit to being indifferent when I first bought one, within a few hours I was utterly smitten. I love shooting lowish angle automotive shots, those events are usually held in mid day sun, making the tilt screen near useless. Especially when shooting ultrawide, & trying to see what you have/haven't included in the edges. Tilty EVF's absolutely rock.

Burn me on the stake. I haven't used so far the EVF on the GX80.

A tilting EVF can be handy for some. Personally I find that if you can attach your camera on your face, why you can't kneel if you have to? So it seems gimmick for me. I didn't consider also the possible issue that it can get caught when you have your camera in a small bag or your pocket.

A tilting screen though is really helpful when need to place your camera near on the ground or above your head. It was a salvation after using it on my D750. The tilting EVF cannot do that unless you like to crawl.

It is for low angle (waist level) shooting. Particularly useful for a tall shooter to shoot a shorter person like children, or an object stands lower than our eye level, without the need to bend our body too much but still maintain the stabilisation than using the arms length style of LCD shooting.

I first found its usefulness on the tilting external evf on GX1, love it very much on GX7 and miss it a lot on GX85.

To shoot at odd angles (overhead or ground level), a tilting LCD of course is better. For the most difficult shooting angles an articulated LCD could be the best.

alcelc wrote:

morinor wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I have tried the tilting evf - didn't like it and have not needed it. I just tilt the lcd when I need tilt.

Blasphemy. That tilting EVF is the GX series crowning glory. Over 2 years in with my G9, I still miss that flippy EVF. I'll happily admit to being indifferent when I first bought one, within a few hours I was utterly smitten. I love shooting lowish angle automotive shots, those events are usually held in mid day sun, making the tilt screen near useless. Especially when shooting ultrawide, & trying to see what you have/haven't included in the edges. Tilty EVF's absolutely rock.

Burn me on the stake. I haven't used so far the EVF on the GX80.

A tilting EVF can be handy for some. Personally I find that if you can attach your camera on your face, why you can't kneel if you have to? So it seems gimmick for me. I didn't consider also the possible issue that it can get caught when you have your camera in a small bag or your pocket.

A tilting screen though is really helpful when need to place your camera near on the ground or above your head. It was a salvation after using it on my D750. The tilting EVF cannot do that unless you like to crawl.

It is for low angle (waist level) shooting. Particularly useful for a tall shooter to shoot a shorter person like children, or an object stands lower than our eye level, without the need to bend our body too much but still maintain the stabilisation than using the arms length style of LCD shooting.

I first found its usefulness on the tilting external evf on GX1, love it very much on GX7 and miss it a lot on GX85.

To shoot at odd angles (overhead or ground level), a tilting LCD of course is better. For the most difficult shooting angles an articulated LCD could be the best.

All of you are missing the point. The tilty EVF is for photographing windmills. Obviously.

alcelc wrote:

morinor wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I have tried the tilting evf - didn't like it and have not needed it. I just tilt the lcd when I need tilt.

Blasphemy. That tilting EVF is the GX series crowning glory. Over 2 years in with my G9, I still miss that flippy EVF. I'll happily admit to being indifferent when I first bought one, within a few hours I was utterly smitten. I love shooting lowish angle automotive shots, those events are usually held in mid day sun, making the tilt screen near useless. Especially when shooting ultrawide, & trying to see what you have/haven't included in the edges. Tilty EVF's absolutely rock.

Burn me on the stake. I haven't used so far the EVF on the GX80.

A tilting EVF can be handy for some. Personally I find that if you can attach your camera on your face, why you can't kneel if you have to? So it seems gimmick for me. I didn't consider also the possible issue that it can get caught when you have your camera in a small bag or your pocket.

A tilting screen though is really helpful when need to place your camera near on the ground or above your head. It was a salvation after using it on my D750. The tilting EVF cannot do that unless you like to crawl.

It is for low angle (waist level) shooting. Particularly useful for a tall shooter to shoot a shorter person like children, or an object stands lower than our eye level, without the need to bend our body too much but still maintain the stabilisation than using the arms length style of LCD shooting.

I don't understand why you'd hold the camera out at arms length when using a tilting screen. You can keep the camera close to your body and look down at it, shooting at waist level without bending over at all. Holding the camera like that I find that I'm actually more stable than when pressing it to my eye.

Every now and then I try the tilting EVF on my GX7 and GX9, but I've yet to find a situation where it actually works better for me than just using the screen.

FunGuy66 wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

G1Houston wrote:

morinor wrote:

A tilting EVF can be handy for some. Personally I find that if you can attach your camera on your face, why you can't kneel if you have to? So it seems gimmick for me.

Exactly, for low angle shots, one still has to bend down un-comfortably using the tiny EVF, but it is so much easier to use the rear LED screen. Especially if you wear glasses ... The tilting EVF is a waste of variable resources in a compact camera body.

The tilty EVF is great for aiming UP. You can comfortably compose and not get a strained neck. I use it that way for interior architectural shots.
It’s also a bit more discrete when street shooting, since you can tilt it up a bit and it seems as though you’re not looking directly at someone (or something).

It’s so simple it’s a wonder no one else hadn’t thought of it sooner.

Might or might not have been the first, but the Panasonic LVF1 (fits GF1, GF2, LX5) goes back to 2010. Tilting is by far its best feature...

I have a tilty LVF-2 that works great with my GX1. Don't forget that!

FunGuy66 wrote:

jeffharris wrote:

G1Houston wrote:

morinor wrote:

A tilting EVF can be handy for some. Personally I find that if you can attach your camera on your face, why you can't kneel if you have to? So it seems gimmick for me.

Exactly, for low angle shots, one still has to bend down un-comfortably using the tiny EVF, but it is so much easier to use the rear LED screen. Especially if you wear glasses ... The tilting EVF is a waste of variable resources in a compact camera body.

The tilty EVF is great for aiming UP. You can comfortably compose and not get a strained neck. I use it that way for interior architectural shots.
It’s also a bit more discrete when street shooting, since you can tilt it up a bit and it seems as though you’re not looking directly at someone (or something).

It’s so simple it’s a wonder no one else hadn’t thought of it sooner.

Might or might not have been the first, but the Panasonic LVF1 (fits GF1, GF2, LX5) goes back to 2010. Tilting is by far its best feature...

Heh, I had an LVF1 and found it almost useless due to poor resolution, so I guess I can agree that tilting was its best feature.   (The LVF2 was MUCH better).

I like having a tilting EVF.  As Jeffharris says, it's great for shooting straight up at ceilings - no need to strain your neck tilting your head way back.

I also like using it when shooting on a tripod.  No need to bend your knees to stoop down to look through the EVF (I'm a tall guy), just bend your head down a bit and look right into the EVF that is tilted up.

Gnine wrote:

DrHook59 wrote:

alcelc wrote:

morinor wrote:

Gnine wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I have tried the tilting evf - didn't like it and have not needed it. I just tilt the lcd when I need tilt.

Blasphemy. That tilting EVF is the GX series crowning glory. Over 2 years in with my G9, I still miss that flippy EVF. I'll happily admit to being indifferent when I first bought one, within a few hours I was utterly smitten. I love shooting lowish angle automotive shots, those events are usually held in mid day sun, making the tilt screen near useless. Especially when shooting ultrawide, & trying to see what you have/haven't included in the edges. Tilty EVF's absolutely rock.

Burn me on the stake. I haven't used so far the EVF on the GX80.

A tilting EVF can be handy for some. Personally I find that if you can attach your camera on your face, why you can't kneel if you have to? So it seems gimmick for me. I didn't consider also the possible issue that it can get caught when you have your camera in a small bag or your pocket.

A tilting screen though is really helpful when need to place your camera near on the ground or above your head. It was a salvation after using it on my D750. The tilting EVF cannot do that unless you like to crawl.

It is for low angle (waist level) shooting. Particularly useful for a tall shooter to shoot a shorter person like children, or an object stands lower than our eye level, without the need to bend our body too much but still maintain the stabilisation than using the arms length style of LCD shooting.

I first found its usefulness on the tilting external evf on GX1, love it very much on GX7 and miss it a lot on GX85.

To shoot at odd angles (overhead or ground level), a tilting LCD of course is better. For the most difficult shooting angles an articulated LCD could be the best.

All of you are missing the point. The tilty EVF is for photographing windmills. Obviously.

I have nothing against rear LCD screens. Nothing at all. I simply can't see the damn things outdoors in bright sunny weather. Especially when shooting low angle with the screen pointing up to the sky. It's just guesswork. Glare and reflections make it pretty much impossible.

Have you used a tilt screen like on the GX9, or just the side-swinging articulated ones on the GX8/G9?

I find that a tilt screen gets protection from the sun thanks to being behind the body of the camera, and that also makes it much easier to shade the screen while holding it.

I use the rear screen 95%+ of the time and I don't think I've ever encountered a situation where I couldn't easily see the screen on my GX9. Glare was much more of a problem when using the stuck out screen on my G9.

Snap focus is a very nice feature of the Ricoh GR series. Set up correctly, a real street photography tool and would complement the Lumix GX series nicely.