14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS

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spike29 Senior Member • Posts: 2,046
14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS

This is in the road of IBIS/OIS vs Dual IS of Oly and Pana.

The 14-140mm is one of the most suited travel lenses out there. (non pro)

it's in it's third live and from one to two was a big step for the polulairity, from two to three it's mostly weathersealed. very nice DFD, Dual IS2 ,light and as zoom quite well build. Due the dual IS2 and DFD is the slower aperture not an issue because it preforms wide open still good and can be used handheld on very slow SS.

The oly is as 12-200mm slower due the stretch of max zoomrange it's goes to 6.3. Has no OIS inside and drives on the IBIS of the camera. Reading reviews and youtube it is a nice sharp lens, AF isn't bad on Pana but slower then DFD, stil fast enough in normal light. Great on minimum focus distance So tiny vertebrates can be closeup-ed well.

Oly 12-200mm is quite big and heavy with 455grams bigger and heavier then the PL12-60mm (320grams)

12-14mm? well 2mm is quite important. (i use the 12-60mm quite often)

140-200mm? 140mm is in nature walks often just too short to catch that little bird or animal, (trees and plants don't move zo zoom by feet.) But for real birdshooters 300-400mm is better.

IQ is of both quite well if i may believe the reviews.(for a consumerlens) it doesn't make a PL12-60mm obsolete. f2.8-4.0 is in the hole range faster.

So the question is:

Would you traid the 14-140mm for a 12-200mm on a DFD/DualIS2 capable body?

cost you around 600 euro i think to swap to 12-200mm.

No OIS so no problem for oly or pana body if you have IBIS and i am not sure if the 140mm on both is f5.6, i think the oly is just 1/4stop slower on equal focallenghts.

Which brings the next thing: does static scenes benefit much from Dual IS in lower light situations? (from labtest's it's long focal lenghts benefits from OIS instead of IBIS but how much is a debate.)

travel: size weight is also a factor after a long walk. but a "one lens solution" is also impact on your weight due no extra lenses. if you leave the others at home. otherwize you add 135gram to your set.

Me personal like the concept of a nice walkaround lens weathersealed and sharp enough for holiday's. (consumer IQ) The 14-140mm is a marvel in it's size and preformens but that 14mm limit is often inside (narrow places) a problem and the 140mm can be a pain to catch that bird or animal without turning in a sniper crawling around. The fact that the oly seems to be parfocal, video, is also nice.

because i have a pl12-60mm and a 100-300mm around the 14-140mm i have a nice balanced threelens system. And the 12-200mm would be cutting in the use of the others at a cost of 600 euro you get a almost glued on lens on holiday's.

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Luke Forrest Contributing Member • Posts: 626
Re: 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS
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For an all in one solution from wide to telephoto I'd just save up or sell current gear and buy a Sony RX10IV. Replaces all your lenses, is faster, has better AF and is weather sealed.

However, I realise that it's not for everyone. Back to your original question, it's really difficult to answer for you. Can you live with 14mm at the wide end? I think if not, then the answer is clear. If you can then the 14-140 + 100-300 seems best because it's lighter with less overlap. You could also look at the Olympus 12-100 + 100-300 combo. The 12-100 is much more expensive though. If I was only going to use the 12-200 lens, I wouldn't bother with an ILC. There's no benefit.

This probably isn't very helpful, but I think your question can only really be answered by you. What your preferences are when shooting will be different from mine.

Best of luck:)

Dice_Box Junior Member • Posts: 30
Re: 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS

spike29 wrote:

So the question is:

Would you traid the 14-140mm for a 12-200mm on a DFD/DualIS2 capable body?

Yes, I love the 14-140, but my wife's 12-60 really has shown me how much more useful that extra 2mm is. Standing beside a America's cup yacht with only my 14-140 and a 25mm on me will live on as a regret of mine.

cost you around 600 euro i think to swap to 12-200mm.

It would depend on how much I plan to use it. I do not go out shooting past 80mm very often according to Lightroom. So maybe not but I can understand the desire.

Which brings the next thing: does static scenes benefit much from Dual IS in lower light situations? (from labtest's it's long focal lenghts benefits from OIS instead of IBIS but how much is a debate.)

When shooting birds fishing or landing in the water I have enjoyed having that extra help with my shaky hands. So if your targets are moving quickly I think you still benefit from having the help in keeping the focus sharp.

travel: size weight is also a factor after a long walk. but a "one lens solution" is also impact on your weight due no extra lenses. if you leave the others at home. otherwize you add 135gram to your set.

If this is one of your major issues then yes, spend the money I think. I do not fly anywhere so I can carry the weight, but if I was flying out to holidays I would look at a good all in one.

because i have a pl12-60mm and a 100-300mm around the 14-140mm i have a nice balanced threelens system. And the 12-200mm would be cutting in the use of the others at a cost of 600 euro you get a almost glued on lens on holiday's.

Sure, but it is not about switching lenses all the time, its about getting the shots. If a lens is not coming off and your getting all the shots you want I would call that a win. I mean if your thinking your going to be using this one in place of the others maybe that 600 can come from the sale of the others?

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Re: 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS

A very happy 14-140 f/3.5 mk-I user. It is the most used lens of my wife since she doesn't like to swap lens.

However, I need 12, therefore I keep on using the set up of 12-35 f/2.8 & 45-150 instead of buying a 2nd 14-140 for myself (I have to admit that 45-150 has IQ not good as similar range of focal length of 14-140).

I don't mind swap lenses but I value the convenience of a-lens-does-it-all.

So if there is a 12-120 or 12-140/150 @ f/3.5~5.6, at a weight of around 300g and in a size between 14-140 ~ 45-200 (75mm ~ 100mm in length, best not larger than 58mm filter thread), DUAL IS 2 compatible, I would buy one if it has IQ similar to 14-140. Cost is not my primary concern.

I suppose it could be a good replacement of the 12-35 + 45-150 since on the speed side, I can use 15 f/1.7 + zoom on foot.

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OP spike29 Senior Member • Posts: 2,046
Re: 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS

Luke Forrest wrote:

For an all in one solution from wide to telephoto I'd just save up or sell current gear and buy a Sony RX10IV. Replaces all your lenses, is faster, has better AF and is weather sealed.

Yes, true. was temped one's

However, I realise that it's not for everyone. Back to your original question, it's really difficult to answer for you. Can you live with 14mm at the wide end? I think if not, then the answer is clear. If you can then the 14-140 + 100-300 seems best because it's lighter with less overlap. You could also look at the Olympus 12-100 + 100-300 combo. The 12-100 is much more expensive though. If I was only going to use the 12-200 lens, I wouldn't bother with an ILC. There's no benefit.

i was looking for a walkaround for daytime on family basis with more reach when i want a quick shot of something or animal-kind who flees when you move. Before i purchage the 100-300mm i was trying out the 45-200mm (50-200mm is just too expensive)

i find myself starting with PL12-60mm  (my best lens) and often leap over the 14-140mm to the 100-300mm in those cases. Walking in city's/closer things like a Zoo, i am on the PL12-60mm and 14-140mm mostly and my 15mm f1.7 for inside.

This probably isn't very helpful, but I think your question can only really be answered by you. What your preferences are when shooting will be different from mine.

Best of luck:)

it's ok, i am trying to figure out if the 14-140mm on a panabody is more effective in form of IQ and aperture speed in the 14-140mm range or not. take the loss of DFD and IOS in acount and the weight and size....

maybe i just keep on swapping... LOL

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OP spike29 Senior Member • Posts: 2,046
Re: 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS

alcelc wrote:

A very happy 14-140 f/3.5 mk-I user. It is the most used lens of my wife since she doesn't like to swap lens.

However, I need 12, therefore I keep on using the set up of 12-35 f/2.8 & 45-150 instead of buying a 2nd 14-140 for myself (I have to admit that 45-150 has IQ not good as similar range of focal length of 14-140).

the 12-35 is great but runs out of mm even faster then the 12-60. and the 45-200mmii is just not cutting the cake for me that's why i got the 100-300mmii

I don't mind swap lenses but I value the convenience of a-lens-does-it-all.

same here

So if there is a 12-120 or 12-140/150 @ f/3.5~5.6, at a weight of around 300g and in a size between 14-140 ~ 45-200 (75mm ~ 100mm in length, best not larger than 58mm filter thread), DUAL IS 2 compatible, I would buy one if it has IQ similar to 14-140. Cost is not my primary concern.

Cost is a temporaly pain. If pany makes a consumergrade like the 14-140mm same as 12-200mm WITH DFD and OIS/Dual-IS2 and f3.5-6.3 i think i would go over. (fysics will make this lens big and heavier then the 14-140mm so depends on how much money and weight. If it's not bigger then the oly12-200mm i would try it.)

Now it's "i know what i have, don't know what i got..." and my 14-140mm isn't used as much as before my 12-60 but still a valuable member of my camerapack.

I suppose it could be a good replacement of the 12-35 + 45-150 since on the speed side, I can use 15 f/1.7 + zoom on foot.

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evetsf Senior Member • Posts: 1,275
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I can only tell you what I have & why I acquired it, you can judge how closely it fits your uses. I should mention that I've only been a m43 user since September 2019, so this may get revised if actual use proves part of this to be less than ideal. So far so good, though!

It's all Panasonic gear:

Bodies: G9 is considered the "primary" camera for its sheer performance, especially for motorsports & aviation; GX9 is second body/backup/travel camera, it's also called to duty when I don't want a big, conspicuous camera hanging off my shoulder.

Lenses: I have five lenses, ranging from 7 to 200mm:

Lumix 7-14/4 - when a wide-angle lens is needed;

Lumix 12-60/3.5-5.6 - usually attached to the GX9 as its everyday lens;

Lumix 14-140/3.5-5.6 - usually attached to the G9 as its everyday lens;

Lumix 20/1.7 - low light & indoor use, or low-profile street shooting mounted on the GX9;

Leica 50-200/2.8-4 - high-performance telephoto zoom for motorsports, aviation, birding, etc. A 1.4X and/or 2X teleconverter are under consideration to extend its range if needed.

At present, this is split up into two bags - G9, 7-14, 14-140 & 50-200 in one; GX9, 12-60 & 20/1.7 in another much smaller bag. But, if I were to take an extended trip with family - and wanted to travel fairly light - I'd take the GX9, 7-14, 14-140 & 20/1.7 & leave the rest at home. The 14-140 would be the universal general-purpose lens, with the other two in reserve for their special purposes.

Two things to note about this setup - first, the 7-14 is about the same size as a Lumix 12-60 (although slightly heavier); secondly, if you're willing to take a 10MP crop out of a 20MP image, you get the same reach as a 200mm lens when using the 14-140.

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Re: 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Dual IS2 vs 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 IBIS

spike29 wrote:

This is in the road of IBIS/OIS vs Dual IS of Oly and Pana.

The 14-140mm is one of the most suited travel lenses out there. (non pro)

My preferred walkabout lens is the 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Mk1but if wider is needed I have two options: swap for 12-60mm kit lens; or take second body with 8-18mm. In the UK I prefer 2 x G80 bodies but if travelling abroad, subject to carry-on constraints, I’ll take G80 + GF7 or GF7 + GM5. Abroad, I take 8-18 ( previously 7-14 f4 ), 12-60 and 14-140mm. So far, I’ve never taken the 100-400mm abroad but maybe will this year when taking the car by ferry to Spain/ France.

In places like Florence UWA is needed, partnered with 14-140mm because buildings are massive inside and out. If only one body/lens then the 12-60mm would be the compromise.

it's in it's third live and from one to two was a big step for the polulairity, from two to three it's mostly weathersealed. very nice DFD, Dual IS2 ,light and as zoom quite well build. Due the dual IS2 and DFD is the slower aperture not an issue because it preforms wide open still good and can be used handheld on very slow SS.

The oly is as 12-200mm slower due the stretch of max zoomrange it's goes to 6.3. Has no OIS inside and drives on the IBIS of the camera. Reading reviews and youtube it is a nice sharp lens, AF isn't bad on Pana but slower then DFD, stil fast enough in normal light. Great on minimum focus distance So tiny vertebrates can be closeup-ed well.

Oly 12-200mm is quite big and heavy with 455grams bigger and heavier then the PL12-60mm (320grams)

The 12-100mm is a big favourite for many as a single lens solution. It was never a possibility for me: too heavy and large, yet quite slow, I prefer to stick Panasonic lenses if possible - though I do have a couple of Samyangs (7.7mm FE and 12mm f2)

12-14mm? well 2mm is quite important. (i use the 12-60mm quite often)

I use the Panasonic 12-60mm kit lens, the benefits of dual IS mean the slightly lower shutter speeds (compared to f2.8-f4) are acceptable. For low light I have the 20mm and 15mm f1.7 and always take one them when travelling.

140-200mm? 140mm is in nature walks often just too short to catch that little bird or animal, (trees and plants don't move zo zoom by feet.) But for real birdshooters 300-400mm is better.

Yes, the 100-400mm is the ultimate, so far, for reach. I accept that the 50-200 may have better IQ and is faster but not enough to replace the 100-400.

IQ is of both quite well if i may believe the reviews.(for a consumerlens) it doesn't make a PL12-60mm obsolete. f2.8-4.0 is in the hole range faster.

So the question is:

Would you traid the 14-140mm for a 12-200mm on a DFD/DualIS2 capable body?

No

cost you around 600 euro i think to swap to 12-200mm.

No OIS so no problem for oly or pana body if you have IBIS and i am not sure if the 140mm on both is f5.6, i think the oly is just 1/4stop slower on equal focallenghts.

But you’re losing more if paired with Panasonic dual-IS body.

Which brings the next thing: does static scenes benefit much from Dual IS in lower light situations? (from labtest's it's long focal lenghts benefits from OIS instead of IBIS but how much is a debate.)

The IS is compensating for your moment not movement in the subject. So, yes, dual-IS benefits low light static scenes when you are, potentially, moving.

travel: size weight is also a factor after a long walk. but a "one lens solution" is also impact on your weight due no extra lenses. if you leave the others at home. otherwize you add 135gram to your set.

Me personal like the concept of a nice walkaround lens weathersealed and sharp enough for holiday's. (consumer IQ) The 14-140mm is a marvel in it's size and preformens but that 14mm limit is often inside (narrow places) a problem and the 140mm can be a pain to catch that bird or animal without turning in a sniper crawling around. The fact that the oly seems to be parfocal, video, is also nice.

because i have a pl12-60mm and a 100-300mm around the 14-140mm i have a nice balanced threelens system. And the 12-200mm would be cutting in the use of the others at a cost of 600 euro you get a almost glued on lens on holiday's.

Wildcard option, try FZ300, massive 24-600mm at f2.8 with smallish dimensions and weight, weathersealed, same battery as G80. Lots of images in Flickr link below.

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windmillgolfer wrote:

spike29 wrote:

This is in the road of IBIS/OIS vs Dual IS of Oly and Pana.

The 14-140mm is one of the most suited travel lenses out there. (non pro)

My preferred walkabout lens is the 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 Mk1but if wider is needed I have two options: swap for 12-60mm kit lens; or take second body with 8-18mm. In the UK I prefer 2 x G80 bodies but if travelling abroad, subject to carry-on constraints, I’ll take G80 + GF7 or GF7 + GM5. Abroad, I take 8-18 ( previously 7-14 f4 ), 12-60 and 14-140mm. So far, I’ve never taken the 100-400mm abroad but maybe will this year when taking the car by ferry to Spain/ France.

In places like Florence UWA is needed, partnered with 14-140mm because buildings are massive inside and out. If only one body/lens then the 12-60mm would be the compromise.

True, exactly my thought. ( i didn't bought a UWA i needed more a faster lens so the f1.7 15mm got inplace of that) i compromise due use of panoramashot in portretmode, slidly higher then landscapemode.

it's in it's third live and from one to two was a big step for the polulairity, from two to three it's mostly weathersealed. very nice DFD, Dual IS2 ,light and as zoom quite well build. Due the dual IS2 and DFD is the slower aperture not an issue because it preforms wide open still good and can be used handheld on very slow SS.

The oly is as 12-200mm slower due the stretch of max zoomrange it's goes to 6.3. Has no OIS inside and drives on the IBIS of the camera. Reading reviews and youtube it is a nice sharp lens, AF isn't bad on Pana but slower then DFD, stil fast enough in normal light. Great on minimum focus distance So tiny vertebrates can be closeup-ed well.

Oly 12-200mm is quite big and heavy with 455grams bigger and heavier then the PL12-60mm (320grams)

The 12-100mm is a big favourite for many as a single lens solution. It was never a possibility for me: too heavy and large, yet quite slow, I prefer to stick Panasonic lenses if possible - though I do have a couple of Samyangs (7.7mm FE and 12mm f2)

12-14mm? well 2mm is quite important. (i use the 12-60mm quite often)

I use the Panasonic 12-60mm kit lens, the benefits of dual IS mean the slightly lower shutter speeds (compared to f2.8-f4) are acceptable. For low light I have the 20mm and 15mm f1.7 and always take one them when travelling.

140-200mm? 140mm is in nature walks often just too short to catch that little bird or animal, (trees and plants don't move zo zoom by feet.) But for real birdshooters 300-400mm is better.

Yes, the 100-400mm is the ultimate, so far, for reach. I accept that the 50-200 may have better IQ and is faster but not enough to replace the 100-400.

IQ is of both quite well if i may believe the reviews.(for a consumerlens) it doesn't make a PL12-60mm obsolete. f2.8-4.0 is in the hole range faster.

So the question is:

Would you traid the 14-140mm for a 12-200mm on a DFD/DualIS2 capable body?

No

cost you around 600 euro i think to swap to 12-200mm.

No OIS so no problem for oly or pana body if you have IBIS and i am not sure if the 140mm on both is f5.6, i think the oly is just 1/4stop slower on equal focallenghts.

But you’re losing more if paired with Panasonic dual-IS body.

Yes that's my worries, the oly 12-200mm has no OIS so it is on both ibis only and competing against a dual IS2 as a slower lens you need brighter light on longer focallenghts with the oly12-200mm then with the lumix 14-140mm.

Which brings the next thing: does static scenes benefit much from Dual IS in lower light situations? (from labtest's it's long focal lenghts benefits from OIS instead of IBIS but how much is a debate.)

The IS is compensating for your moment not movement in the subject. So, yes, dual-IS benefits low light static scenes when you are, potentially, moving.

travel: size weight is also a factor after a long walk. but a "one lens solution" is also impact on your weight due no extra lenses. if you leave the others at home. otherwize you add 135gram to your set.

Me personal like the concept of a nice walkaround lens weathersealed and sharp enough for holiday's. (consumer IQ) The 14-140mm is a marvel in it's size and preformens but that 14mm limit is often inside (narrow places) a problem and the 140mm can be a pain to catch that bird or animal without turning in a sniper crawling around. The fact that the oly seems to be parfocal, video, is also nice.

because i have a pl12-60mm and a 100-300mm around the 14-140mm i have a nice balanced threelens system. And the 12-200mm would be cutting in the use of the others at a cost of 600 euro you get a almost glued on lens on holiday's.

Wildcard option, try FZ300, massive 24-600mm at f2.8 with smallish dimensions and weight, weathersealed, same battery as G80. Lots of images in Flickr link below.

I have a old fz200 that suites that purpose. 🙂

Maybe we see some shootout reviews in the feature with the 14-140mm mkii and the 12-200mm on a g80/90/9. Reallive comparison in slower shutterspeeds. looking for shuttershock, body shaking, aiming in the distance. The bright sunny one's doesn't need much stabilisation with the fast shutterspeeds so only the aiming benefits of OIS.

Pana isn't making a new consumer zoom in a short time i think, they placed instead the 45-200mm in a new jacket, polished it a bit. But that lens is run over by most lenses in the covered range.

The PL's telezooms are too expensive for a casual user. So it's the olympus zuiko 12-200mm f3.5-6.3 or the 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 ( if you like a 10x zoom or more)

I think it's causin, the zuiko 14-150mm wil run over by the 12-200mm.

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