EM5.3 tripod mount broken

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Well, I wan't too concerned about the switch to a plastic body until now. There goes the weather sealing too. I just noticed today, and there have been no obvious bangs or cracks while using the camera. I hike with this attached to a peak design clip V3, and using the PL 12-60 or Lumix 100-300, so not a particularly heavy setup either way. Guess I might have to switch to the EM1.2

Not thrilled with this result. The mount is literally now just barely hanging on with a bit of plastic towards the front side of the camera.

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Lee,
Sorry for the bad luck.
That looks awful thin.

there must b ribs on the underside,
Especially around the threaded insert.

Did u have a heavy lens on it, while on the tripod?

Best of Luck getting it fixed.

Bernard
 
That’s a dramatic failure, and bad luck for you.

I have never been tempted to use a carry system which connects to a tripod mount.

IMO tripod mounts are designed for a STATIC compressive (pushing) load. Having the camera+lens dangling on a strap and bouncing around as you walk applies DYNAMIC tensional (pulling) forces to the mounting point which might be several times the weight of the camera when the tether suddenly pulls on the camera.

Let’s see what the forum’s supporters of “engineered polycarbonate” make of this.

Peter
 
Bugger, Lee.

Warranty?

In Oz, that would have to be replaced under both the Sale of Goods Act and other various consumer protection laws.
 
That’s a dramatic failure, and bad luck for you.

I have never been tempted to use a carry system which connects to a tripod mount.

IMO tripod mounts are designed for a STATIC compressive (pushing) load. Having the camera+lens dangling on a strap and bouncing around as you walk applies DYNAMIC tensional (pulling) forces to the mounting point which might be several times the weight of the camera when the tether suddenly pulls on the camera.

Let’s see what the forum’s supporters of “engineered polycarbonate” make of this.

Peter
Yes, I overall agree with you - I have just gained some level of comfort/trust over the years of carrying other cameras in a similar way with no problems. I guess my day finally came.
 
Bugger, Lee.

Warranty?

In Oz, that would have to be replaced under both the Sale of Goods Act and other various consumer protection laws.
I am actually in NZ, but bought the camera back in the USA. Will have to try to sort it out with them when I return in a few months as they only handle warranty claims in the country of purchase.
 
Well, I wan't too concerned about the switch to a plastic body until now. There goes the weather sealing too. I just noticed today, and there have been no obvious bangs or cracks while using the camera. I hike with this attached to a peak design clip V3, and using the PL 12-60 or Lumix 100-300, so not a particularly heavy setup either way. Guess I might have to switch to the EM1.2

Not thrilled with this result. The mount is literally now just barely hanging on with a bit of plastic towards the front side of the camera.

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Sorry for what happened to your camera, the bright side is you may get it repaired under warranty.

This was bound to happen, that's how plastic frames work. They will never be as resilient as metals. Definitely a bad move from Olympus, the em5II was such a good looking camera, the em5III plastic was a deal breaker for me.

Let's hope the next em1III won't get a plastic body, but sadly it's possible because it's no longer the flagship since the em1X was announced.

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I have taken the first napkin !
 
That’s a dramatic failure, and bad luck for you.

I have never been tempted to use a carry system which connects to a tripod mount.

IMO tripod mounts are designed for a STATIC compressive (pushing) load. Having the camera+lens dangling on a strap and bouncing around as you walk applies DYNAMIC tensional (pulling) forces to the mounting point which might be several times the weight of the camera when the tether suddenly pulls on the camera.

Let’s see what the forum’s supporters of “engineered polycarbonate” make of this.

Peter
Exactly my thoughts, Peter, this static push vs dynamic pull thing.

Liewenberger
 
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Bugger, Lee.

Warranty?

In Oz, that would have to be replaced under both the Sale of Goods Act and other various consumer protection laws.
Hmm, here’s how I see that claim being assessed . . .

Tripod mount not being used as intended.

Use of unsupported accessory (PD Clip) resulting in excessive force being applied to the camera base plate leading to structural failure of the camera.

Claim rejected :-(

Peter

..

EDIT:

CASE REOPENED in light of this new evidence !

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63532647

Peter
 
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That’s a dramatic failure, and bad luck for you.

I have never been tempted to use a carry system which connects to a tripod mount.

IMO tripod mounts are designed for a STATIC compressive (pushing) load. Having the camera+lens dangling on a strap and bouncing around as you walk applies DYNAMIC tensional (pulling) forces to the mounting point which might be several times the weight of the camera when the tether suddenly pulls on the camera.

Let’s see what the forum’s supporters of “engineered polycarbonate” make of this.

Peter
Ouch! I hate to see that. I have a camera just like it, but I never carry any camera by a strap screwed into the tripod lug. To have it bouncing around while I walk, AND with a lens attached just ain't my cup of tea. Good luck with warranty work. IMHO it is not using the tripod mount for what it was designed for, but hoping Olympus will fix it under warranty for you.

Peace.

John
 
Well, I wan't too concerned about the switch to a plastic body until now. There goes the weather sealing too. I just noticed today, and there have been no obvious bangs or cracks while using the camera. I hike with this attached to a peak design clip V3, and using the PL 12-60 or Lumix 100-300, so not a particularly heavy setup either way. Guess I might have to switch to the EM1.2

Not thrilled with this result. The mount is literally now just barely hanging on with a bit of plastic towards the front side of the camera.

f04513e53a114c8e8b64e96eafbd5fbc.jpg
Sorry for what happened to your camera, the bright side is you may get it repaired under warranty.

This was bound to happen, that's how plastic frames work. They will never be as resilient as metals. Definitely a bad move from Olympus, the em5II was such a good looking camera, the em5III plastic was a deal breaker for me.
This is not how a well-engineered plastic or hybrid frame would work. The Capture clip with those lenses is a pretty light load - I've certainly had more on other plastic bodies. If Oly didn't wrap the tripod socket in a big hunk of gfrp or a metal subframe, they're just fools.

I hope this is a fluke because I was happy about the switch to plastic and planned to get one. I'll be watching this closely.

Can you peek inside and see how the socket is anchored?
 
That’s a dramatic failure, and bad luck for you.

I have never been tempted to use a carry system which connects to a tripod mount.
I think the tripod mount should be at least as robust as the neck strap (of course, we know how the strap lugs worked out on the EM1).
IMO tripod mounts are designed for a STATIC compressive (pushing) load. Having the camera+lens dangling on a strap and bouncing around as you walk applies DYNAMIC tensional (pulling) forces to the mounting point which might be several times the weight of the camera when the tether suddenly pulls on the camera.
As soon as you put a lens on the camera, the socket will be in tension, from the lens load pivoting on the front edge of the body or tripod plate. Also, the tripod screw is attempting to extract the socket from the body while compressing the base plate.

The Capture clip load is dynamic if you're jumping around. But so is the tripod load if you bump it or carry it, and a beefy ball head has a lot less give than a belt or pack strap. I would expect the clip load to be no worse.
Let’s see what the forum’s supporters of “engineered polycarbonate” make of this.
I'd call this a failure of engineering, not polycarbonate. Either way, it's a dealbreaker.
 
This is not how a well-engineered plastic or hybrid frame would work. The Capture clip with those lenses is a pretty light load - I've certainly had more on other plastic bodies. If Oly didn't wrap the tripod socket in a big hunk of gfrp or a metal subframe, they're just fools.

I hope this is a fluke because I was happy about the switch to plastic and planned to get one. I'll be watching this closely.

Can you peek inside and see how the socket is anchored?
I can't see much right now and am not quite ready to pry it further open. I can tell you that the entire tripod attachment mount is loose and rotating with the broken plastic. So that tells me that it is simply screwed down to the small amount of plastic immediately surrounding it. I did somewhat assume that the mount would be more anchored to some sort of subframe or more plastic parts of the interior, not just the plastic base. But that is obviously incorrect.

As I won't be back in the USA for a few months, I may get tired enough of waiting around to actually unscrew the bottom plate and see for myself. I have to assume that this won't be covered under warranty anyway, and hopefully it may be as easy as buying a new bottom plate. Although the bottom plate contains the serial number, so that could mean it won't be that simple.

I should have said that the reason I posted was more as a warning to other owners. I know I took a risk by mounting it with the PD clip, and this time I lost. Will be switching to something that can handle being used like this as it is my standard usage scenario.
 
Well, I wan't too concerned about the switch to a plastic body until now. There goes the weather sealing too. I just noticed today, and there have been no obvious bangs or cracks while using the camera. I hike with this attached to a peak design clip V3, and using the PL 12-60 or Lumix 100-300, so not a particularly heavy setup either way. Guess I might have to switch to the EM1.2

Not thrilled with this result. The mount is literally now just barely hanging on with a bit of plastic towards the front side of the camera.

f04513e53a114c8e8b64e96eafbd5fbc.jpg
Sorry for what happened to your camera, the bright side is you may get it repaired under warranty.

This was bound to happen, that's how plastic frames work. They will never be as resilient as metals. Definitely a bad move from Olympus, the em5II was such a good looking camera, the em5III plastic was a deal breaker for me.
This is not how a well-engineered plastic or hybrid frame would work. The Capture clip with those lenses is a pretty light load - I've certainly had more on other plastic bodies. If Oly didn't wrap the tripod socket in a big hunk of gfrp or a metal subframe, they're just fools.

I hope this is a fluke because I was happy about the switch to plastic and planned to get one. I'll be watching this closely.

Can you peek inside and see how the socket is anchored?
Is this the EM5III ?

(Image found in this thread https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63310651 discussing the plastic construction)

Doesn’t seem to have much reinforcement.

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This is not how a well-engineered plastic or hybrid frame would work. The Capture clip with those lenses is a pretty light load - I've certainly had more on other plastic bodies. If Oly didn't wrap the tripod socket in a big hunk of gfrp or a metal subframe, they're just fools.

I hope this is a fluke because I was happy about the switch to plastic and planned to get one. I'll be watching this closely.

Can you peek inside and see how the socket is anchored?
I can't see much right now and am not quite ready to pry it further open. I can tell you that the entire tripod attachment mount is loose and rotating with the broken plastic. So that tells me that it is simply screwed down to the small amount of plastic immediately surrounding it. I did somewhat assume that the mount would be more anchored to some sort of subframe or more plastic parts of the interior, not just the plastic base. But that is obviously incorrect.

As I won't be back in the USA for a few months, I may get tired enough of waiting around to actually unscrew the bottom plate and see for myself. I have to assume that this won't be covered under warranty anyway, and hopefully it may be as easy as buying a new bottom plate. Although the bottom plate contains the serial number, so that could mean it won't be that simple.

I should have said that the reason I posted was more as a warning to other owners. I know I took a risk by mounting it with the PD clip, and this time I lost. Will be switching to something that can handle being used like this as it is my standard usage scenario.
I for one appreciate the warning, because I'm a PD clip user too (EM5ii). Contrary to what others have said, I think this use should be entirely within reasonable design expectations for the tripod mount. I use a neckstrap as a backup in case I miss the clip, but I don't expect anything to break unless I fall off a cliff.
 
Well, I wan't too concerned about the switch to a plastic body until now. There goes the weather sealing too. I just noticed today, and there have been no obvious bangs or cracks while using the camera. I hike with this attached to a peak design clip V3, and using the PL 12-60 or Lumix 100-300, so not a particularly heavy setup either way. Guess I might have to switch to the EM1.2

Not thrilled with this result. The mount is literally now just barely hanging on with a bit of plastic towards the front side of the camera.

f04513e53a114c8e8b64e96eafbd5fbc.jpg
I am very sorry that you've had such an experience. The damage your new camera has sustained appears very similar to that experienced by Sony Nex owners some years ago. (Link)

Marc
 
Would a full bottom arca plate have avoided this problem?
 

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