When will Sigma and/or Tamron produce RF lenses?

Great Bustard wrote:

Just like the title says -- when do you think? In the comments, please say which lenses you think they may put out, the order they may come, and/or what lenses you'd like to see from them.

kind of a trick question / survey.

Sigma 2020

Tamron 2021

As far as Sigma.

Going by how they've done the L mount,etc

- first wave will be the EF lenses that are "RF adapted".

- second wave will be native FE/L mount lenses ported to the RF mount

If I had to guess timeline:

Feb 2020 for 5-6 lenses (the RF adapted ones)
Late 2020 for some FE/L lenses available for the RF mount

We should know more in the next month really.

Tamron

- no idea. I plan on having a convo with them about it at CP+.  They have stated in the past that they haven't done these lenses just for the FE mount.  So they can surprise I guess at any time.

The easist implementation for either company is just to use the EF protocol.  It's probably harder (but better over time) to use the native RF protocol but that may be lens release 2.0's for these companies.

One thing about it - by basically being EF/RF switchable in camera, Canon has made it incredibly easy for these companies to fast track lenses out the door.  The question is, do they want to use the "old" protocol with a small subset of disadvantages or go full out RF.

I have not heard that the Samyang 14mm uses "EF" - ie: you can use the R's fast EVF refresh and the other small limitations of EF protocol lenses on the EOS R.. has anyone?  If there is no such limitation on the Samyang 14mm then figuring out the protocol is easy - Samyang already did it.

maiaibing wrote:

People very optimistic here. 3.rd party lens makers that can get along with only one mount to work with both EF and R line on cameras will not go for two before the volume tips very clearly to the mirrorless side. They have almost no incentive and its very uncertain the glass will be or work better than what they already can achieve by just keeping up copying the EF software to their best ability

A ton of vendors have made FE mount lenses.  they all can be migrated to the RF mount with little or no optical redesign.  It's simply a matter of a) using the EF mount protocol - which most of them know.  b) reversing the RF protocol and using the native RF protocol.

the EF mount lenses have little to do with it.  these vendors can see which way Canon is going.  Ever since Canon released the RF mount, they've said: "just like the EF mount before it, this is it for the next 30 years".

William Woodruff wrote:

maiaibing wrote:

People very optimistic here. 3.rd party lens makers that can get along with only one mount to work with both EF and R line on cameras will not go for two before the volume tips very clearly to the mirrorless side. They have almost no incentive and its very uncertain the glass will be or work better than what they already can achieve by just keeping up copying the EF software to their best ability

Disagree. Canon, the largest camera company in the world, is going all-in with the RF mount. That is all that a third party lens maker needs to know, to guide their next generation of products. I have no doubt that Sigma, Tamron, et al. are hard at work developing lenses for RF mount. The only real question is whether, or to what degree, Canon has protected (through engineering and/or patents) the RF protocol.

SInce Samyang already has an RF lens out with AF, and no one to my knowledge has reported that high speed display or any other EF only incompatibilities have shown up, I'd say the mount issue is highly exaggerated.

Also, Canon isn't going to kill off third party access to its mount via lawsuit,etc.  they do realize that it's important for the mount.  They may not entirely like it, but they also know it's a necessary evil.

Compact prime WA lenses is what I'd like to see, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

3rd party manufacturers seem committed to big (Sigma), fast, and frequently manual lenses, so I'm not overly optimistic.

I do wonder why none of them have launched small native primes, as the market seems wide open....

KrisAK wrote:

Compact prime WA lenses is what I'd like to see, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

Compact 14mm F2.8 is already out I'm sure there will be more.

rrc1967 wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

Just like the title says -- when do you think? In the comments, please say which lenses you think they may put out, the order they may come, and/or what lenses you'd like to see from them.

kind of a trick question / survey.

???

Sigma 2020

Tamron 2021

OK.

As far as Sigma.

Going by how they've done the L mount,etc

- first wave will be the EF lenses that are "RF adapted".

That was what I was thinking, too.  But what's the point when you can just use the EF versions with an adapter, and they'll cost so much less, more so if buying used?

- second wave will be native FE/L mount lenses ported to the RF mount

If I had to guess timeline:

Feb 2020 for 5-6 lenses (the RF adapted ones)

That seems a bit quick, but we'll see!

Late 2020 for some FE/L lenses available for the RF mount

That sounds about right.

We should know more in the next month really.

Tamron

- no idea. I plan on having a convo with them about it at CP+. They have stated in the past that they haven't done these lenses just for the FE mount. So they can surprise I guess at any time.

The easist implementation for either company is just to use the EF protocol. It's probably harder (but better over time) to use the native RF protocol but that may be lens release 2.0's for these companies.

One thing about it - by basically being EF/RF switchable in camera, Canon has made it incredibly easy for these companies to fast track lenses out the door. The question is, do they want to use the "old" protocol with a small subset of disadvantages or go full out RF.

I have not heard that the Samyang 14mm uses "EF" - ie: you can use the R's fast EVF refresh and the other small limitations of EF protocol lenses on the EOS R.. has anyone? If there is no such limitation on the Samyang 14mm then figuring out the protocol is easy - Samyang already did it.

Like you say, we shall see!  I, too, am guessing they'll just copy what they did in L/FE mount at first.

KrisAK wrote:

Compact prime WA lenses is what I'd like to see, but I'm starting to have my doubts.

3rd party manufacturers seem committed to big (Sigma), fast, and frequently manual lenses, so I'm not overly optimistic.

I do wonder why none of them have launched small native primes, as the market seems wide open....

...so they'll probably do the same for RF/Z.  Sigma, of course, will be the opposite.

sportyaccordy wrote:

I'm really interested to see how they navigate this. Like I've said elsewhere they just refreshed the EF 2.8 zooms so it's hard to see them refreshing them all again for RF mount. I know Sigma just made the new 24-70 2.8 for FE mount so maybe that will get ported over.

I'm curious as to how good that zoom will be.  But, for sure, it will have the same optical formula as the FE version.

The UWA zooms could get refreshed I guess, there's opportunity there. But it's a lot of overlap for much smaller volume.

Sigma likes to do unusual lenses.  So, just as Canon has showed off some interesting lenses for the RF mount that would have been impractical for the EF mount, I wonder what Sigma might do.

I'm wondering if the third party companies kind of goofed with their SLR lens updates. Then again they weren't huge updates so IDK.

Not sure what you mean.  DSLR users will be around for a while, and there are a lot of them, who will buy these lenses.

In any case they will def follow up soon. I'm more interested to see which lenses they come out with. Interesting case study.

Yep.  Would be very interesting (and welcome!) if they may RF versions of the 18-35 / 1.8 and 50-100 / 1.8.

diness wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

Just like the title says -- when do you think? In the comments, please say which lenses you think they may put out, the order they may come, and/or what lenses you'd like to see from them.

Based on the success they have had in Sony mirrorless, I’m guessing they jump in soon. Especially because they can jump in on the ground floor when everyone is buying lenses and there isn’t much available. Plus, it’s pretty easy to undercut Canons prices at this point. I’m sure Sigma would get a lot of buyers for a mirrorless 85mm f1.4 that was super sharp and $1000.

Except they ask for more than that for their EF version.

Tamron would get tons of buyers for an RF version of their very successful 28-75 lens as well (although lack of ibis on canon is a bit of a buzzkill on that one).

If Tamron were to improve the optics of their trio of f/1.8 primes (35 / 1.8 VC, 45 / 1.8 VC, and 85 / 1.8 VC), I think they'd have a few smash hits.  Would also be interesting if they were able to make an RF version of the 35-150 / 2.8-4 VC that was a constant f/2.8.

Great Bustard wrote:

diness wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

Just like the title says -- when do you think? In the comments, please say which lenses you think they may put out, the order they may come, and/or what lenses you'd like to see from them.

Based on the success they have had in Sony mirrorless, I’m guessing they jump in soon. Especially because they can jump in on the ground floor when everyone is buying lenses and there isn’t much available. Plus, it’s pretty easy to undercut Canons prices at this point. I’m sure Sigma would get a lot of buyers for a mirrorless 85mm f1.4 that was super sharp and $1000.

Except they ask for more than that for their EF version.

Tamron would get tons of buyers for an RF version of their very successful 28-75 lens as well (although lack of ibis on canon is a bit of a buzzkill on that one).

If Tamron were to improve the optics of their trio of f/1.8 primes (35 / 1.8 VC, 45 / 1.8 VC, and 85 / 1.8 VC), I think they'd have a few smash hits. Would also be interesting if they were able to make an RF version of the 35-150 / 2.8-4 VC that was a constant f/2.8.

I've heard great things about their VC 1.8 optics.  for the price they look pretty good, no?