DSLR and lens for low light action

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Old Greenlander Senior Member • Posts: 4,101
Re: DSLR and lens for low light action

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Samyang 14 mm has a manual focus, it is challenging to nail it with fast moving targets

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Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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Old Greenlander wrote:

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Samyang 14 mm has a manual focus, it is challenging to nail it with fast moving targets

I thought you where replying about the Nikon D3500. I did not know the OP was considering a 14mm lens???

I looked back through the OPs posts and can't find it.

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Old Greenlander Senior Member • Posts: 4,101
Re: DSLR and lens for low light action

Norm Neely wrote:

Old Greenlander wrote:

Norm

Samyang 14 mm has a manual focus, it is challenging to nail it with fast moving targets

I thought you where replying about the Nikon D3500. I did not know the OP was considering a 14mm lens???

I looked back through the OPs posts and can't find it.

May bad

was a Samyang 85/1.4 that is even more difficult to focus in an instant

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Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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Hi cooper21

I might have found a lens that might work on the D5300.

Sigma 105mm f/2.8 EX DG OS HSM Macro Lens for Nikon F EX conition $339

Hope a Nikon person can chime and let the OP know.

https://www.keh.com/shop/sigma-258101-105-mm-f-2-8-macro-lens-for-canon-ef-ef-s.html?prod_id=656094&aid=656094&rmatt=tsid:|cid:1719659480|agid:67802176056|tid:pla-345531070497|crid:335508340997|nw:g|rnd:9682147256829549448|dvc:c|adp:1o5&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjaP-4N2O5wIVdRh9Ch2S5wKHEAQYBSABEgJnafD_BwEThe 11th reply.  Just scroll down the replys until you see a picture.

WOOPS They must have sold it the link brings up one now with a Canon mount.  B&H has a new one $469.   I'll keep checking for a used one.

I'm not sure it will.  We need to confirm it will focus fast enough for sports.  Come on Nikon folks let the OP know.

This thread is a good read.

Photographing swim meets, Tips please.

Check the photo in the 11th reply.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3367491

Photo taken with Sigma 120-300 f/2.8 @ 120mm (Out of your price range) But shows what a Sigma lens can do on a Canon, should do the same on a Nikon.

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Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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2nd Ps. The Nikon D5300 should perform well in low light conditions.

ISO Auto, 100 - 12800 (25600 with boost)

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d5300/2

What made me think about it was reading the thread.

Photographing swim meets, Tips please.

A couple of the replies mentioned a higher ISO would be better.

My 40D • Sport scene mode: ISO 400 - 800 that's not very high.

The more I read about the D5300 the more impressed I am.

Now it's just a matter of finding a f/2.8 or lower lens that is fast enough focusing for sports. Hopefully the one I found is fast enough.

Somebody in the Nikon Forums should be able to let you know.

I'll stick with my 40D. At my age, unnecessary spending is not very smart, Just more stuff for my son to sell. I told him to sell a lot of my things (when I pass) that my wife does not use. The money would be much better for her.

cooper21

This is a thread in the Sports Action Forum.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4414685

The lenses the posters used definitely where fast enough to stop action.

Consider starting a thread asking for lens advice for the Nikon D5300

At the bottom of the reply some of them show their gear. On those that use a Nikon click their name. Then check out their gear. Might be a lot more gear (lenses) listed than at the bottom of the reply. Hopefully some of the lenses will be in your price range.

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OP Cooper21 Forum Member • Posts: 70
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You gave me a lot to read... thanks!

Soooooo. I have it down to a Nikon D5300 and a Nikon 70 - 200mm f/2.8 VR or VRII. I can use this lens for indoor swimming or outdoor baseball I believe.

This is what I want, so I will shop to find the best prices. I am an eBay shopper and will look there as well.

The K.Rockwell site has been very helpful as was the Cameradecision site.

My 2nd option is either a D7000, D7100 with a similar lens.

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Cooper21 wrote:

a Nikon 70 - 200mm f/2.8 VR or VRII

I got an even older model, an 80-200 mm f/2.8 from Nikon, which dates from the 1990s, and considerably less expensive. While not a top performer, it certainly is very good.

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OP Cooper21 Forum Member • Posts: 70
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There are so many of these lenses, it's hard to keep them straight.

Can you use an FX lens on a DX lens?

I was trying to keep costs down with a D5300 instead of a D600 or D610. But it seems like the newer VR lenses for DX cameras are all more expensive. I am only looking at used cameras and lenses.

I'm trying to decide if I should go with an older FX camera or DX like the D5300 or D7000 in regards to the price and quality of a 70 or 80 - 200mm 2.8 lens. There are more bargains on the older FX lenses.

Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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Cooper21 wrote:

There are so many of these lenses, it's hard to keep them straight.

That's the reason I like canon . So easy to find a lens.

EF lenses fit both full frame cameras and crop cameras

EF-S lenses only fit crop cameras not full frame cameras.

For me Canon is just easier, as any lens the has the EF designation has a focusing motor in it.

Quote from the link below.

"The EF designation of Canon's lenses stands for Electro-Focus - in other words, the focus is driven electronically. Each lens has a built in motor. There are some exceptions, most notably the MP-E and TS-E lenses are manual focus only. However, the aperture control is still electronic, hence the "E" in the name.Aug 16, 2016"

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=nYwkXvKmFouu0PEPqJCBmAE&q=do+canon+lenses+have+a+focusing+motor&oq=do+canon+lenses+have+a+focusing+motor&gs_l=psy-ab.12..33i22i29i30.1479.15407..18368...0.0..0.183.2522.36j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131j0j0i22i30j33i160j33i299j33i10.LGMsGoM3a34&ved=0ahUKEwiy6fCUk5DnAhULFzQIHShIABMQ4dUDCAc#spf=1579453616539

TS= Tilt-Shift Lenses

MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro PhotoWith the Nikon you have make sure the lens is not a manual focus if your doing fast action sports.

cooper21 I sure hope a Nikon person can help you come up with a camera lens combination that works for swim meets and baseball.

I think the problems with the Rebel Camera has kind of soured you on the Canon brand. Very understandable.

At my age it is just to hard (confusing) for me find the right Nikon camera combination.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

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OP Cooper21 Forum Member • Posts: 70
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Yeah, I'm starting to understand what you mean. A newer Canon Rebel would be an easy transition for me.

I like the D5300 the best but lenses are $$$$$. I'll take another look at Canons.

Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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Cooper21 wrote:

Yeah, I'm starting to understand what you mean. A newer Canon Rebel would be an easy transition for me.

I like the D5300 the best but lenses are $$$$$. I'll take another look at Canons.

We discussed a Canon 7D when we first started chatting. I mentioned it would put you over budget, not by much but over. So we quit discussing it.

Have you increased your budget? If so I will try and find a Canon camera and lens combination within the new budget for you to consider.

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OP Cooper21 Forum Member • Posts: 70
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I like the D5300 over the 7D...

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Nikon-D5300-vs-Canon-EOS-7D

I'm even looking at the Nikon D3500.

I haven't found a Canon that I like in the used $300 range with the same specs and ratings. The closest is the Rebel T6i, but a used body is more like $400.

Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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Cooper21 wrote:

I like the D5300 over the 7D...

I think your best bet is to start two new threads.

Ask for help in selecting a lens for the D5300.

Let them know you need a fast auto focus and low F stop lenses for swim meets and baseball.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/1034

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/1030

Are you sure a 50mm won't work?

Both the photos you posted where 50mm and 43mm.

With your photoshop skills cropping should not be that big a deal.

Both photos you posted look great.

Nikon 50mm lenses.

https://www.keh.com/?rmatt=tsid:1014300|cid:653563188|agid:31941543577|tid:kwd-115144764|crid:308427972123|nw:g|rnd:3345445492825962178|dvc:c|adp:1t1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyd7E3LGQ5wIVFMpkCh1xiwzfEAAYASAAEgLzPPD_BwE

Ps. The link did not work. Just put Nikon 50mm in the search box.

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OP Cooper21 Forum Member • Posts: 70
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Norm, I just sent you a DM.

Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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Good Luck

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Norm Neely wrote:

Canon 100mm F/2 USM EF ex condition $358.46

https://www.keh.com/shop/canon-ef-100mm-f-2-usm-standard-medium-telephoto-lens.html

Used Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM excellent condition $259

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/used-equipment/used-photo-and-video/used-lenses/used-canon-fit-lenses/canon-ef-85mm-f-1-8-usm/

Canon 50mm F/1.8 EX + $95 new at B&H $125

https://www.keh.com/shop/canon-50-mm-f-1-8-fixed-focal-length-lens-for-canon-ef.html

Let me know what lens you will get and I will look for a canon camera priced for what's left in your budget for a body.

Read the first paragraph in the link below.

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I have the 85mm 1.8 right now. I used it with my old Rebel at the last swim meet. I bought it at Bestbuy for $269, but I am thinking I will return it. I want to get a 70/80-200mm 2.8 for both swimming and baseball. Does that make sense? What do you think?

Looking now at the 70D and 77D. I haven't checked for prices yet.

Norm Neely Senior Member • Posts: 1,894
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Cooper21 wrote:

I want to get a 70/80-200mm 2.8 for both swimming and baseball. Does that make sense?

Wanting yes. I want canon 100-400mm

What do you think?

Affordable NO!

Canon

https://www.keh.com/shop/canon-ef-70-200mm-f-2-8l-usm-telephoto-zoom-lens.html

Nikon

https://www.keh.com/shop/search/?q=nikon+70-200mm

I really think you should get the Pro camera I mentioned in an earlier reply & the $50mm f/1.8

Did you read the first paragraph in the link I asked you to in my last reply?

$311 left over for a video camera or an inexpensive camera that will do video.

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OP Cooper21 Forum Member • Posts: 70
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Yes, I know, that's a good camera. This camera needs to be family friendly, not just for me... for all uses, not just sports and a video camera. I only want one, all in one camera, to travel with. It's a difficult task to find this at my budget, I know. I can be patient. I have lots of experience with eBay purchase and have had good luck finding bargains.

Right now, I'm still reading and asking questions. No hurry. If I have to lower my expectations, I will. 

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