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If you could have only 1 UWA

Started Jan 11, 2020 | Discussions
Dave in Wales
Dave in Wales Contributing Member • Posts: 901
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

Doom Scythe wrote:

Kszchopstix wrote:

Olympus fish eye 8mm f 1.8

If you ever upgrade to the latest Olympus bodies there is in body fish eye correction which lands you 7mm to 10 mm correction. Or just defacto fish eye 8mm which is wider than the 7.5mm

Yup, a good option. The defish is a nice touch, but I am upset with the fact that Olympus does not extend the fish eye correction to older bodies like the E-M5 Mark II. Are they trying to say owners of older bodies won't buy the Fisheye lens?

Be VERY nice if that feature worked for non Oly Fe's the Samyang/Rokinon 7.5mm for instance.

aliasfox Senior Member • Posts: 1,375
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA
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Agree with other posters - save up for the 8-18. It's the same weight as the 7-14/4, a stop brighter at the wide end, more useful on the long end, and if you're looking pre-owned, you may be able to find one for less than $200 more. It's also insanely sharp and as far as I'm aware, has no issues on Olympus cameras, unlike the 7-14/4 (if you ever plan on shooting Oly).

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Messier Object Forum Pro • Posts: 12,724
Re: Just throwing this out there, but...

Great Bustard wrote:

Messier Object wrote:

Great Bustard wrote:

burritosandbeer wrote:

So I want to fill a gap in my lens selection, but my budget isn't allowing for a plethora of options. Currently the widest lens I have is the 14-42 kit zoom from my G7.

I want an ultra wide-angle lens.

I want it for landscape
I want it for astro
I want it for interior/real-estate photography
I want it for architectural photography
I am likely to do environmental portraits with it as well

The current two contenders are

A used Panasonic 7-14 mm f/4
A new or used Laowa 7.5 mm f/2

My normal tendency would be to get the zoom, as it will give me a better chance to frame the shot from my position than a prime, and later get the prime if I still want it, but the difference in aperture is significant enough that for astro I don't know if the 7-14 will do the job.

Any one have both? If you could only have one what would be your choice?

The pro UWA zooms are out of the budget, I'm sure a 7-14 mm f/2.8 would probably solve both problems, but this is a fairly limited section of what I shoot, so while that may be true, the price difference places it too far out of reach for just a toy lens for me.

...what about a Sigma 14 / 1.8A? Use the bare lens (with an adapter) and you get a 14 / 1.8. Use it with a 0.7x FR, and you get a 10 / 1.3. It's a beast of a lens, no AF, and not inexpensive, but it's sharp and fast as hell. It has a lot of distortion on FF, though, but when the bare lens is used, since you're cropping out the middle 25% of the image circle, it should be OK. But when used with the 0.7x FR, that might be an issue. Might correct really well in software, though.

why no AF, doesn’t it work with a Viltrox or Metabones adapter ?

I most likely misspoke -- I don't know it can AF with the adapter. It's an AF lens, so I suppose it should, right? Anyway, given that it does AF, that would definitely strengthen my recommendation!

Either way, FF UWA on MFT (to me) seems counter intuitive.  I’ll  happily  put my long EF lenses on my MFT for that extra reach, but at the other end of the focal length scale not so much. Native  MFT makes more sense to me

Peter

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KaanG Regular Member • Posts: 396
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA
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UWA is a different beast and is extremely hard to master. I tried a 21mm equivalent in the past. I saw the potential but couldn't make it work for me.

For the m43 system, i got the PL 8-18mm. I used to be a prime shooter but this lens turned me back to a zoom guy.

In the normal range, you will be fine with a prime. You learn the focal range by heart, move back and forth to frame and hold the camera up or down to correct the lines. But in the wide angle, using a prime is much harder. You can't visualize the field of view, so you need to "scan" the zoom range a bit to find a good perspective and framing.

The reason why I particularly like this lens is it's wide range. I can go all the way from very wide to normal, which means that it doubles as a regular walk around lens. This means less lens changes, which in turn translates to more wide angle shots. In the end, the more you shoot with a wide angle, the faster you master it.

I see that you have a tight budget, and you have to compromise. If astro is your thing, get the prime. But know that you will not use this prime much. It will be a specific tool in your bag. If you want to master the wide angle game, get the zoom, preferably one of the 9-18mm ones

Adrian Harris
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Neither, i would opt for the inexpensive
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Olympus 9-18 instead, because it is versatile which is necessary for architecture (as long as the rooms are not to small),  at the wide end it is f3.5 (some would say barely enough for astro but its useable depending on your technique) ,  its wonderfully light and small and I nearly always have it with me.

... As opposed to the Olympus 7-14 f2.8 pro which is big and heavy and I nearly always leave at home.

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Albert Valentino Veteran Member • Posts: 9,770
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

Kszchopstix wrote:

Olympus fish eye 8mm f 1.8

If you ever upgrade to the latest Olympus bodies there is in body fish eye correction which lands you 7mm to 10 mm correction. Or just defacto fish eye 8mm which is wider than the 7.5mm

Actually, it has three settings with the widest rendering at 5.5mm rectilinear. Of course this is different and not as wide as a 8mm fisheye rendering which is 180 degrees FOV. It does this in the camera through the magic of mirrorless since you set it and see the change in your EVF/LCD to compose. It gives a jpg of the result, or a defished raw file that works in Olympus Workspace software.

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Lacko Contributing Member • Posts: 724
Re: Neither, i would opt for the inexpensive

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Mottenhaus Forum Member • Posts: 72
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

burritosandbeer wrote:

So I want to fill a gap in my lens selection, but my budget isn't allowing for a plethora of options. Currently the widest lens I have is the 14-42 kit zoom from my G7.

I want an ultra wide-angle lens.

I want it for landscape
I want it for astro
I want it for interior/real-estate photography
I want it for architectural photography
I am likely to do environmental portraits with it as well

The current two contenders are

A used Panasonic 7-14 mm f/4
A new or used Laowa 7.5 mm f/2

My normal tendency would be to get the zoom, as it will give me a better chance to frame the shot from my position than a prime, and later get the prime if I still want it, but the difference in aperture is significant enough that for astro I don't know if the 7-14 will do the job.

Any one have both? If you could only have one what would be your choice?

The pro UWA zooms are out of the budget, I'm sure a 7-14 mm f/2.8 would probably solve both problems, but this is a fairly limited section of what I shoot, so while that may be true, the price difference places it too far out of reach for just a toy lens for me.

The Laowa might be too restricted vs a wide-angle view.

The 7-14/4 or 9-18 probably fit better to a G7.

My favourite is the OLY 7-14 PRO in combination with a E-M1/M5 plus Grip.

The 7-14/F 2.8 is one of the most impressive lens I ever used.

Funny Valentine
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Go for the 8mm 1,8 fisheye, t's objectively the superior lens, much better than the 7-14:

- it's wider

- even defished it's still wider than the 7-14

- the multiple inbody defishing options can be used as a zoom function

- it opens wider at 1,8 compared to 2,8

- it opens you the realm of night time astrophotography, and nigh landscape and city scape

- it's smaller, lighter and more portable

- it's a prime, more durable than a zoom and less moving parts, and better weather sealing

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llondru
llondru Junior Member • Posts: 25
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

Funny Valentine wrote:

Go for the 8mm 1,8 fisheye, t's objectively the superior lens, much better than the 7-14:

- it's wider

- even defished it's still wider than the 7-14

- the multiple inbody defishing options can be used as a zoom function

- it opens wider at 1,8 compared to 2,8

- it opens you the realm of night time astrophotography, and nigh landscape and city scape

- it's smaller, lighter and more portable

- it's a prime, more durable than a zoom and less moving parts, and better weather sealing

the defishing only works for JPG's right? I'm also considering the same thing as the OP, and I'm considering a few options. Not being able to work with RAWs with defishing would be a no-go for me

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Albert Valentino Veteran Member • Posts: 9,770
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

llondru wrote:

Funny Valentine wrote:

Go for the 8mm 1,8 fisheye, t's objectively the superior lens, much better than the 7-14:

- it's wider

- even defished it's still wider than the 7-14

- the multiple inbody defishing options can be used as a zoom function

- it opens wider at 1,8 compared to 2,8

- it opens you the realm of night time astrophotography, and nigh landscape and city scape

- it's smaller, lighter and more portable

- it's a prime, more durable than a zoom and less moving parts, and better weather sealing

the defishing only works for JPG's right? I'm also considering the same thing as the OP, and I'm considering a few options. Not being able to work with RAWs with defishing would be a no-go for me

My understanding is it does create a defished raw file but that raw file must be opened in Olympus Workspace software.

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llondru
llondru Junior Member • Posts: 25
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

Albert Valentino wrote:

llondru wrote:

Funny Valentine wrote:

Go for the 8mm 1,8 fisheye, t's objectively the superior lens, much better than the 7-14:

- it's wider

- even defished it's still wider than the 7-14

- the multiple inbody defishing options can be used as a zoom function

- it opens wider at 1,8 compared to 2,8

- it opens you the realm of night time astrophotography, and nigh landscape and city scape

- it's smaller, lighter and more portable

- it's a prime, more durable than a zoom and less moving parts, and better weather sealing

the defishing only works for JPG's right? I'm also considering the same thing as the OP, and I'm considering a few options. Not being able to work with RAWs with defishing would be a no-go for me

My understanding is it does create a defished raw file but that raw file must be opened in Olympus Workspace software.

guess you could export the defished version as a DNG then?

I work with Lightroom usually

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
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llondru wrote:

Albert Valentino wrote:

My understanding is it does create a defished raw file but that raw file must be opened in Olympus Workspace software.

guess you could export the defished version as a DNG then?

I work with Lightroom usually

I suspect you can only export as a TIFF from Workspace, but the Adobe DNG converter can probably handle the ORF conversion directly, without that step (I have never tried).

Cheers,

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Mottenhaus Forum Member • Posts: 72
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

From my point of view the OLY 8mm (definitely a great lens!) lens can never be more versatile than any of the existing MFT UWA lenses as it require software correction if the fisheye is not the main purpose. I will definitely buy this lens with one of the next CASH back actions from OLY but for me it can never be a replacement for the 7-14mm which I often use for different photo sessions.

DLBlack Forum Pro • Posts: 15,865
Re: If you could have only 1 UWA

Olympus usually only do major FW updates that add features to cameras that have the current image processor, which is now the TruPic8.  The E-M5.2 has the TruPic7  processor.

Dave

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