Which gimbal for A7R iii w 24-105?

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DBartell New Member • Posts: 8
Which gimbal for A7R iii w 24-105?

Can I get some advice for a gimbal that would work well for my A7R iii w a 24-105? I was in Costa Rica rappelling and wished I’d had smoother video capability. I read reviews for these but don’t know if they’re overkill. I’m  new to the forum so thanks for any help

DGI Ronin-SC
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Feiyu G6 Max

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voronspb
voronspb Senior Member • Posts: 1,995
Re: Which gimbal for A7R iii w 24-105?

That looks like pretty much heavy camera setup for prolonged operation. I'd recommend considering only the gimbals with long two-handed handle (or with additional detachable handle extender). My camera setup is below 800 g (almost 2 times lighter than yours), and still I use the handle extender almost all the time.

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Alphaville Contributing Member • Posts: 525
Re: Which gimbal for A7R iii w 24-105?

The ronin S should handle the weight better than the SC, it has stronger motors.

simply amazing Junior Member • Posts: 26
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I’m also in the market for a gimbal and narrowed it down to the zhiyun weebill s. As I was doing research on it, I’ve seen people using the a7riii with the 16-35GM on it successfully — which is heavier than the 24-105, albeit not by much. To top it off, the gimbal itself has a really small profile so it’s easier to pack and bring around

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DBartell wrote:

Can I get some advice for a gimbal that would work well for my A7R iii w a 24-105? I was in Costa Rica rappelling and wished I’d had smoother video capability. I read reviews for these but don’t know if they’re overkill. I’m new to the forum so thanks for any help

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I used different gimbals before (larger one- and two-handed versions from Moza and Came-TV). Recently I bought the Zhiyun Webill S for my A7RIII. It is light, very compact, has strong motors and you can use both hands to hold it. I mainly use it with the 24 GM but I tested it with the 24-105 G as well and it worked fine. It even works well with the heavy 24-70 GM.

When balancing the Gimbal with the 24-105 make sure to extend the zoom half way out to make sure that you then can use all zoom levels without having to rebalance the gimbal.

The gimbal fits easily into my backpack in addition to camera and lenses which is perfect for traveling or hiking.

I'd recommend to get it with the image transmission module which adds many additional features besides transmitting the image wireless to the phone/tablet.

There are many videos on YouTube from people using it with all kinds of different lenses.

So far I'm happy with it. It's certainly the most compact and versatile gimbal I ever used.

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Entropy512 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,000
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Reto B wrote:

When balancing the Gimbal with the 24-105 make sure to extend the zoom half way out to make sure that you then can use all zoom levels without having to rebalance the gimbal.

Thank you for this tip.  I've been kind of holding off on using my Moza gimbal until I could bring myself to get some primes because I didn't think it would be acceptable to zoom it at all after balancing, but it sounds like if you balance for the midrange, the extremes are acceptable with this lens?

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Reto B
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Entropy512 wrote:

Reto B wrote:

When balancing the Gimbal with the 24-105 make sure to extend the zoom half way out to make sure that you then can use all zoom levels without having to rebalance the gimbal.

Thank you for this tip. I've been kind of holding off on using my Moza gimbal until I could bring myself to get some primes because I didn't think it would be acceptable to zoom it at all after balancing, but it sounds like if you balance for the midrange, the extremes are acceptable with this lens?

It depends on the strength of the motors. With the Weebil S it works for the full range with the 24-105 (and I even had a 95 mm VND with step up rings on it which adds weight). I didn't have stutters and the motors kept silent. But I never was able to do it with my Moza Light because the motors were too weak.

For smooth footage with weaker motors one could also limit the zoom range used a little, like to 24-60 for example, and balance for that in the midrange. Experiment how much your gimbal can take without too much stress on the motors.

However, the longer the focal length the more demanding it becomes to handle the gimbal very smoothly because movements become more visible. Therefore 24-60 or 70 is a good choice of range even if the motors are strong enough for more.

What can also help to keep the balance when extending the zoom is to draw out the display on the camera which gives more weight to the back and thus it stays more balanced and stresses the motors less.

I'm still experimenting and learning to get out the best of the Weebil S in different configurations. But it's definitely the best gimbal that I have ever used so far.

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Yarnim Forum Member • Posts: 89
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do you have a link for the image transmission module?

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Reto B
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Yarnim wrote:

do you have a link for the image transmission module?

Since it is not available in Switzerland at the moment I ordered mine from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000360232142.html

It should arrive in the next 10 days.

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voronspb
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Reto B wrote:

It depends on the strength of the motors. With the Weebil S it works for the full range with the 24-105 (and I even had a 95 mm VND with step up rings on it which adds weight). I didn't have stutters and the motors kept silent. But I never was able to do it with my Moza Light because the motors were too weak.

For smooth footage with weaker motors one could also limit the zoom range used a little, like to 24-60 for example, and balance for that in the midrange. Experiment how much your gimbal can take without too much stress on the motors.

For more or less serious video shooting using the lens with internal zoom or, better, power zoom is more advisable. In the latter case it may be possible to control zoom directly from the gimbal! There's a lot of PZ lenses in E-mount (starting right from 16-50PZ), all of them can be used on FF camera.

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Mr_Win Contributing Member • Posts: 976
Re: Which gimbal for A7R iii w 24-105?

DBartell wrote:

Can I get some advice for a gimbal that would work well for my A7R iii w a 24-105? I was in Costa Rica rappelling and wished I’d had smoother video capability. I read reviews for these but don’t know if they’re overkill. I’m new to the forum so thanks for any help

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if this is your first gimbal, you may have instant regret.

best to work your way up with a smaller setup if possible, then getting the bare minimum gimbal.... at least that's my opinion.  Gimbals are bulky, heavy, and setup time is somewhat slow..... and I'm using one of the smaller ones, the Weebill.

you should even consider something like the osmo pocket, strictly for your moving shots.

my particular gimbal setup, if I even bring it, is the weebill + A7 + 17-28 f2.8 tamron, perfect for gimbal shooting.  Once you get to the bigger lenses, you run into issues exponentially faster fyi.

voronspb
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Mr_Win wrote:

best to work your way up with a smaller setup if possible, then getting the bare minimum gimbal.... at least that's my opinion. Gimbals are bulky, heavy, and setup time is somewhat slow..... and I'm using one of the smaller ones, the Weebill.

Fully agreed. I'm really happy with compact Feiyu G6 Plus and sub-800 g camera: either A6500 with 16-50PZ or sometimes FE28/2 (with external mic), or alternatively A7III with 16-50PZ.

For 8 MP (at best) moving picture shot at 1/60...1/125 s you don't really need FF and fast lenses which resolve over 40 MP.

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OP DBartell New Member • Posts: 8
Re: Which gimbal for A7R iii w 24-105?

Terrific and helpful input. Thanks to all

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