Future of Micro 4/3 - wishes for 2020

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Astrotripper Veteran Member • Posts: 7,544
Future of Micro 4/3 - wishes for 2020
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First day of 2020.

Let's have some gearhead fun.

What do you wish would happen in Micro 4/3 world this year? What are you looking forward to?

Please post a comment to elaborate. The provided poll only has very general answers, just to categorize things.

Let's make it casual and positive

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I want to see more lenses (which ones?)
24.2% 51  votes
I want to see new cameras with new sensors (what kind of?)
40.3% 85  votes
I want to see something else (what?)
9.5% 20  votes
I have what I want and am happy with it, I need nothing more and/or I don't care
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Harold66
Harold66 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,057
Re: Future of Micro 4/3 - wishes for 2020

Astrotripper wrote:

First day of 2020.

Let's have some gearhead fun.

What do you wish would happen in Micro 4/3 world this year? What are you looking forward to?

Please post a comment to elaborate. The provided poll only has very general answers, just to categorize things.

Let's make it casual and positive

I want to see more lenses

a f1.4/20mm with weather sealing and IS

a f1.4/40mm with weather sealing . that is the ONE for I missed the most . I shoot models as my main activity and do a lot of full length in normal size rooms and often the 85mm FOV equivalent is a toad too long . but I know the odds of such a lens ever being produced  are very slim. which is too bad because Panasonic could do a weather sealed 40mm to update its expensive 1.2/42.5mm

the lens line up is also missing a f2/10mm for those who want a ultra wide AF prime

other than that I am content with everything else

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I want to see prices as low as possible

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jonno35 Regular Member • Posts: 498
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This will upset some, I would like a good all in one ie 12mm -180mm that isn't like a brick and will match my FZ1000 lens performance. I've checked the available ones and they all fall short. 14-140 if it started at 12 mm might do but not the one I tried, it was rubbish at 14mm.  -So if Leica got involved they ought to be able to come up with something. Oly almost gets there, so Panny ought to give it a go. I would jump to M4/3rds in a flash if there was a comparable option.

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OP Astrotripper Veteran Member • Posts: 7,544
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jonno35 wrote:

This will upset some, I would like a good all in one ie 12mm -180mm that isn't like a brick and will match my FZ1000 lens performance. I've checked the available ones and they all fall short. 14-140 if it started at 12 mm might do but not the one I tried, it was rubbish at 14mm. -So if Leica got involved they ought to be able to come up with something. Oly almost gets there, so Panny ought to give it a go. I would jump to M4/3rds in a flash if there was a comparable option.

What about Olympus 12-200? It's not small, but fairly lightweight. Light and small enough to still be a comfortable match for E-M5 Mark III (I did play with that combo). And on the image quality side, it's pretty good for such an extreme zoom range. I did actually look at a bunch of RAW files from it and there's not much to complain there. It's basically what you'd expect, with color fringing and corner softness creeping up as you go towards 200mm. But that's also the case with FZ-1000, right?

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Henry Stamm Veteran Member • Posts: 3,188
f2 or faster zooms
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The  10-25 f1.7 is a step in the right direction.  But I would like to see m4/3 zooms at least match the superb f2 zooms of their 4/3 predecessors.

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OP Astrotripper Veteran Member • Posts: 7,544
More lenses for me, but not many
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I'm actually very close to "having all I need or want". I suffer from GAS, no doubt about that. I have more lenses then I really need, that's for sure.

But there's one lens I do look forward (and have been for a long time). The Olympus 100-400mm (the premium one, not the PRO monster). I do hope it will come this year (the sooner the better) and I will be buying it on day one if it is weather sealed.

Also, I thought I'm done with zooms after getting 12-100, but I do miss a weather sealed compact zoom for my E-M5 III. So I am looking forward to that ultra-compact 12-45 that is coming. However, I would still rather see the 8-25mm (perfect urban exploration lens), but who knows when that is coming (if at all).

So I guess, there's no such thing as enough lenses.

But if it were not for my obsession with lenses, I think I would be already done with what I have (and don't look at my gear list, I stopped updating it because it's embarrassing ).

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bobn2
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Astrotripper wrote:

First day of 2020.

Let's have some gearhead fun.

What do you wish would happen in Micro 4/3 world this year? What are you looking forward to?

Please post a comment to elaborate. The provided poll only has very general answers, just to categorize things.

Let's make it casual and positive

I would like to see the manufacturers go after what mFT is good at. The present situation with both cameras and lenses is that high spec tends to mean big. I would like to see a revival of the Olympus Air. It will never happen, because Olympus will have decided it was a failure, but I think the failure was down to a couple of basic marketing mistakes. One was selling it purely as a phone accessory. The second was the usual, making small also low spec, which in this case meant that it wasn't useful for many of the things such a camera would have been a natural for. So, what I would want in my Air II is:

IBIS.

Best available sensor at the time, whatever that is (I don't expect either Olympus or Panasonic to shell out for a special).

4k60P video with all the goodies (raw and 10 bit to a recorder, log, etc)

Frame rates as E-M1 II.

PDAF.

Well sealed.

And basically, all the goodness that goes with those things. Any firmware features from the Olympus line would be good. By itself, this camera can be used for all kinds of things. Tethered shooting in spots I couldn't get another ILC. As a high function action cam. For vlogging. With a big drone, as a drone cam.

Now, I want a sealed docking port on my Air II, which allows it to be used with a number of grips that make it into a high spec hand camera So, these grips would come with some extra battery, a rear screen, and eye level VF, hot shoe, proper user controls, additional, larger format card slots (the camera might just have a micro SD). I would have a little one, that made a combo about the same size as the GX80 and maybe a bigger one that got it to E-M1 II size with bigger battery, two card slots (maybe CFX), that kind of thing. For those that like that sort of thing, you could even have an EMIX size one with an extra processor to make it recognise trains and planes and so on. Their could be specialised ones (open up the interface and let third parties do it). Underwater. Cinema rig, etc.

I reckon put together I personally would find that a fantastically useful combo, and if I would I'm guessing so would at least some other people.

As for lenses I'll repeat what I've said for a long time now. mFT has everything you'd want in tiny good f/1.8 lenses. It also has some very big optically excellent f/1.2 lenses. There's a gap there that needs to be filled, small f/1.4 lenses. They won't be as tiny as the f/1.8s, and they wont be as good wide open as the f/1.2s, but for a system which is mostly about compactness they would be a good option. There's also a bit of work to do with longer primes.

Incidentally, I forgot the name of the Air. Doing a Google to find it I happened upon this on the real, current Olympus UK website.

Maybe someone from Olympus needs to have a look.

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AlwaysLearning4 Regular Member • Posts: 233
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There are a couple of UX improvements that I really wish Olympus would add. Would make my life much easier.

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Harold66 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,057
Re: Future of Micro 4/3 - wishes for 2020

bobn2 wrote:

Astrotripper wrote:

First day of 2020.

Let's have some gearhead fun.

What do you wish would happen in Micro 4/3 world this year? What are you looking forward to?

Please post a comment to elaborate. The provided poll only has very general answers, just to categorize things.

Let's make it casual and positive

As for lenses I'll repeat what I've said for a long time now. mFT has everything you'd want in tiny good f/1.8 lenses.

generally true , expect for an usa with AF

It also has some very big optically excellent f/1.2 lenses. There's a gap there that needs to be filled, small f/1.4 lenses.

Indeed best option for those who need very bright lenses

They won't be as tiny as the f/1.8s, and they wont be as good wide open as the f/1.2s,

I disagree with the second part. the 1.4 will be better at wide aperture than the 1.2 for simple optical reasons

but for a system which is mostly about compactness they would be a good option. There's also a bit of work to do with longer primes.

yes there is a need for a moderately bright 150mm

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DLBlack Forum Pro • Posts: 14,364
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I wanted to vote for new camera.  I was  thinking of a Pen F Pro and the E-M1.3.  And I wanted to vote for new lenses.  I was thinking of the 12-45/4.0, 150-400/4.5 and the 100-400/5.6.

Anyhow, since I couldn't vote for two items, and I am pleased with what I do have I voted for the last item.

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Harold66 wrote:

They won't be as tiny as the f/1.8s, and they wont be as good wide open as the f/1.2s,

I disagree with the second part. the 1.4 will be better at wide aperture than the 1.2 for simple optical reasons

I don't think the optical reasons are that simple. Olympus (or Sigma, or whoever the contracted) went to great lengths to achieve edge to edge performance with those lenses. When you consider the before the 'let's make an Otus' fashion started, 8 elements was usual for an f/14 or f/1.2, you can see how far they have gone. The Otus itself has 12 elements and the Sigma Art 13, so the Olympus with 17 is over the top even by those standards. I'm not proposing Otus style retrofocus lenses. I'm proposing more conventional double Gauss lenses. Maybe eight or nine elements including a bit of field flattening at the back. They won't be sharp at the corners wide open, though hopefully would be so by f/2.8. But good centre sharpness with high speed is a useful asset, given that with shallow DOF, the corners are quite unlikely to be in focus anyway.

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jeffharris
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The only thing I’d like is a true GX8 successor, with the current 2020 technology improvements over when it was originally released in 2015.

A GX8 styled S-series body would be nice too, but that’s “full frame”, not M4/3.

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A new PL-1
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Astrotripper wrote:

First day of 2020.

Let's have some gearhead fun.

What do you wish would happen in Micro 4/3 world this year? What are you looking forward to?

Please post a comment to elaborate. The provided poll only has very general answers, just to categorize things.

Let's make it casual and positive

Olympus needs a new PL-1, that looks exactly like the original and is upgraded to at least 16mp.

It should sell with kit lens for $299.

A true entry level MFT camera with built in flash and box rangefinder styling for less money than the cheapest DSLR kits would sell a million cameras and addict another generation of MFT users.

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jonno35 Regular Member • Posts: 498
Re: Future of Micro 4/3 - wishes for 2020

Astrotripper wrote:

jonno35 wrote:

This will upset some, I would like a good all in one ie 12mm -180mm that isn't like a brick and will match my FZ1000 lens performance. I've checked the available ones and they all fall short. 14-140 if it started at 12 mm might do but not the one I tried, it was rubbish at 14mm. -So if Leica got involved they ought to be able to come up with something. Oly almost gets there, so Panny ought to give it a go. I would jump to M4/3rds in a flash if there was a comparable option.

What about Olympus 12-200? It's not small, but fairly lightweight. Light and small enough to still be a comfortable match for E-M5 Mark III (I did play with that combo). And on the image quality side, it's pretty good for such an extreme zoom range. I did actually look at a bunch of RAW files from it and there's not much to complain there. It's basically what you'd expect, with color fringing and corner softness creeping up as you go towards 200mm. But that's also the case with FZ-1000, right?

That's about the closest you're right  but and for me and it's a big but. EM5 mk3 no inbuilt flash, always useful imho. not dust proof/moisture proof, no panorama mode  which I have come to love. !2-200 isn't really a match ie F3.5 _ F6.3 vs F2.8 _ F4 plus the Leica is sharper particularly at the long end. I have not noticed any C A. It seems to me that lenses are the weak point in the system, unless you want a sack full of primes, Been there Done that.

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Albert Valentino Veteran Member • Posts: 8,337
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Overall, I have all that I need. Sensor, and especially pixel density is more than enough for me. My EM1.2 should hold me for a very long time. My PL 8-18 and Oly 12-100 is really all I need 😃

As for lenses, the Oly 100-400 does peak my interest, especially since it will have dual stabilization. If it has good close focus, like 0.2x, that would make it very attractive since it could make a good flower, butterfly, dragonfly lens. I owned the Oly 75-300 but it had very poor close focus of 0.1x, so eventually sold it for the Oly 40-150 Pro.

I would have am interest in a 125mm macro lens. I would sell my 40-150 Pro for that one. Olympus does have a patent out for a 100mm macro lens but that does hot interest me. Too close to my 60mm macro and 12-100.

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Hope for cash

Hope for 2019 for some cash, as I could conceive to buy up to 5 classy lenses, and who knows when my main body will wear out.

I get out move video, that has been slacking in 2019.

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SteveY80 Senior Member • Posts: 1,327
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I'd love a more capable compact tilt screen body.

At the moment, if I want decent AFC capabilities, along with big buffers, fast burst speeds, and other high end features, I have to use a larger body with a side-swinging screen.

I bought a G9 on Black Friday (only for them to drop in price more afterwards) and for the last month or so I've forced myself to use it whenever I go out. I've found that a pretty frustrating and unpleasant experience (largely because I loathe fiddling and faffing with the FAS) and going back to using the smaller GX9 has been a relief. Of course it means giving up a lot of useful features that are found on the G, but not the GX.

One simple firmware tweak that I wish Panasonic would implement is the ability to use hotshoe flash while focus bracketing. This is possible when connecting the flash to the G9's sync port and it makes hand held focus bracketing for macro far quicker, easier and more reliable. All Panasonic need to do to provide this really useful (if niche) feature on all their cameras is to stop pointlessly disabling bracketing when a flash is on the hotshoe.

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DLBlack wrote:

I wanted to vote for new camera. I was thinking of a Pen F Pro and the E-M1.3. And I wanted to vote for new lenses. I was thinking of the 12-45/4.0, 150-400/4.5 and the 100-400/5.6.

Anyhow, since I couldn't vote for two items, and I am pleased with what I do have I voted for the last item.

Ditto, Dave!

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Re: More lenses for me, but not many
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Astrotripper wrote:

Also, I thought I'm done with zooms after getting 12-100, but I do miss a weather sealed compact zoom for my E-M5 III. So I am looking forward to that ultra-compact 12-45 that is coming.'

Yep, I am definitely keeping my eye on that 12-45mm.

I also like the idea of a weather sealed f/1.4 walk around lens --- 17mm? 20mm? 25mm? Any of those focal lengths would work for me.

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