A Year with EOS R

Hi!

It has been a year since I have purchased Canon EOS R, so I wanted to share some of the images I have captured with it. Photos were taken with TS-E 17mm, RF 24-105mm & RF 35mm lenses. I had TS-E 17mm and it works fantastic with EOS R. Two RF lenses are also great! RF 24-105mm is versatile and fantastic travel lens. True gem is RF 35mm! Before getting the RF version, I was not so found of 35mm focal length, now it is my favourite lens.

All in all I have no regret whatsoever for shifting from 5D & 6D to EOS R.

Best regards,
Stevan Kordic

Nice images.  I too have had my R for about a year.  I have to say that for all the negatives some people have ascribed to it, (I think mostly due to having to make some adjustments to how we shoot, and yes, the mostly unusable Multi-function bar), I have really come to love using this camera.  And, it has re-lit a passion in photography for me.  The new RF lenses are incredible.  The articulating screen is very useful for me as I get older.  And, the Eye-AF is a blessing.

I came from 1dsm3, 5dm3 and 5dm4 and while I still use and love those cameras, I have found myself using the R about 80% of my shooting with the 5dm4 for about 15% (mostly with my 400 and 600mm lenses for wildlife) and the 5dm3 and 1dsm3 only about 5% of the time.  Most likely selling those off along with a lot of my EF lenses as I now have 5 R lenses and still getting one or two more soon.

It's also the camera that kept me from going to Sony.  When I held the Sony A7RIII and A9 with battery grips I couldn't get a comfortable grip. Even with the battery grip added putting on a 70-200 f/4 zoom would pinch my middle finger so badly that I couldn't even get a purchase on the grip without sliding my fingers down from the top over the grip.  And within minutes the lens pinched it so bad it was terribly uncomfortable.

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras.  So the R really was a great camera at the right time.  I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

MikeB_2018 wrote:

Nice images. I too have had my R for about a year. I have to say that for all the negatives some people have ascribed to it, (I think mostly due to having to make some adjustments to how we shoot, and yes, the mostly unusable Multi-function bar), I have really come to love using this camera. And, it has re-lit a passion in photography for me. The new RF lenses are incredible. The articulating screen is very useful for me as I get older. And, the Eye-AF is a blessing.

After EOS R, I will take all the net reviews with a great reserve. Most of them were disappointed because there was/is a difference between their expectations and the real camera and they didn't give a chance to the real camera. For me the real EOS R is very capable for taking both photo & video. For me personally, EOS R make me return to colour photography, I was almost exclusively in B&W, before it.

I came from 1dsm3, 5dm3 and 5dm4 and while I still use and love those cameras, I have found myself using the R about 80% of my shooting with the 5dm4 for about 15% (mostly with my 400 and 600mm lenses for wildlife) and the 5dm3 and 1dsm3 only about 5% of the time. Most likely selling those off along with a lot of my EF lenses as I now have 5 R lenses and still getting one or two more soon.

I have shifted completely to the Canon mirrorless cameras. Now, I have EOS R & M5. But, frankly I will probably sell M5, since I use most of the time EOS R.

It's also the camera that kept me from going to Sony. When I held the Sony A7RIII and A9 with battery grips I couldn't get a comfortable grip. Even with the battery grip added putting on a 70-200 f/4 zoom would pinch my middle finger so badly that I couldn't even get a purchase on the grip without sliding my fingers down from the top over the grip. And within minutes the lens pinched it so bad it was terribly uncomfortable.

I have never considered shifting to the Sony.

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

I hope also that EOS R Mk II will bring more megapixels and IBIS. Dual card slot is convenient, but not a must for me.

Best regards,

Stevan

What a lovely set of photos.

SG2014 wrote:

Really nice pictures! I just picked up the EOS R with the RF 24-105 and EF adapter this week. I've been shooting Canon DSLR's for several years, but so far It's been a little bit of a learning curve to set up the EOS R. I figured it was time to try out the new mirror-less system.

Thanks SG2014! My first mirrorless was M5, so shifting to EOS R from 5D & 6D was not so hard. For example selecting focusing point on the screen I have already learn on M5... You will very soon get to know EOS R. Learning curve should not worry you!

stevvi wrote:

What a lovely set of photos.

Thanks stevvi!

Best regards, S.

kordics wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

Nice images. I too have had my R for about a year. I have to say that for all the negatives some people have ascribed to it, (I think mostly due to having to make some adjustments to how we shoot, and yes, the mostly unusable Multi-function bar), I have really come to love using this camera. And, it has re-lit a passion in photography for me. The new RF lenses are incredible. The articulating screen is very useful for me as I get older. And, the Eye-AF is a blessing.

After EOS R, I will take all the net reviews with a great reserve. Most of them were disappointed because there was/is a difference between their expectations and the real camera and they didn't give a chance to the real camera. For me the real EOS R is very capable for taking both photo & video. For me personally, EOS R make me return to colour photography, I was almost exclusively in B&W, before it.

I came from 1dsm3, 5dm3 and 5dm4 and while I still use and love those cameras, I have found myself using the R about 80% of my shooting with the 5dm4 for about 15% (mostly with my 400 and 600mm lenses for wildlife) and the 5dm3 and 1dsm3 only about 5% of the time. Most likely selling those off along with a lot of my EF lenses as I now have 5 R lenses and still getting one or two more soon.

I have shifted completely to the Canon mirrorless cameras. Now, I have EOS R & M5. But, frankly I will probably sell M5, since I use most of the time EOS R.

It's also the camera that kept me from going to Sony. When I held the Sony A7RIII and A9 with battery grips I couldn't get a comfortable grip. Even with the battery grip added putting on a 70-200 f/4 zoom would pinch my middle finger so badly that I couldn't even get a purchase on the grip without sliding my fingers down from the top over the grip. And within minutes the lens pinched it so bad it was terribly uncomfortable.

I have never considered shifting to the Sony.

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

I hope also that EOS R Mk II will bring more megapixels and IBIS. Dual card slot is convenient, but not a must for me.

Best regards,

Stevan

Stevan,

I agree with you.  The camera was not as "Revolutionary" as people might have wanted, but that made them really miss out on a great camera.  In the real world it is such a pleasure to use and the RF lenses are just the best out there.

Glad you're enjoying it.  I am as well.  I just bought a 2nd body at B&H as the sale price was too good to miss.

MikeB_2018 wrote:

... When I held the Sony A7RIII and A9 with battery grips I couldn't get a comfortable grip. .... And within minutes the lens pinched it so bad it was terribly uncomfortable.

This has been my experience with the Sony cameras that I've tried too. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. I have large hands but... that large? I was surprised. I know that they get a lot of love on this site but they're really not for me.

I'm also very much enjoying the R. I'd planned to use it in parallel with my old Olympus E-M1 since I had some nice long lenses for the E-M1. I took them both on an extended trip this summer and found that 96% of the shots that I took were with the R and 100% of the ones that I liked were taken with the R. So the Olympus gear is now mostly gone and I'm putting the proceeds into glass for the R.

I get exactly what you mean.  I can appreciate the tech that Sony brought to the game, and I believe it helped pushed bigger, more established camera companies like Canon and Nikon to innovate more, which is a good thing.  But I can't for the life of me imagine anyone enjoying holding those Sony cameras.

I know I have big paws, but never encountered anything like that with any DSLRs.  Glad the R is working well for you like it is for me.  The R with RF lenses are just amazingly good.

I have found that I do about 90% of my shooting with it now.  That may change as I just got the Fuji GFX100 but that's a whole other story.

MikeB_2018 wrote:

Stevan,

I agree with you. The camera was not as "Revolutionary" as people might have wanted, but that made them really miss out on a great camera. In the real world it is such a pleasure to use and the RF lenses are just the best out there.

I completely agree with you. Reviewers didn't get that EOS R with 4 RF lenses were only the beginning of the new system. Now, with so many extraordinary lenses it is much easier to conclude what would R+RF system represent.

Glad you're enjoying it. I am as well. I just bought a 2nd body at B&H as the sale price was too good to miss.

Great for you! My next purchase is probably going to be RF 15-35mm, in the spring hopefuly...

Best regards,
Stevan

Raucous Raven wrote:

I'm also very much enjoying the R. I'd planned to use it in parallel with my old Olympus E-M1 since I had some nice long lenses for the E-M1. I took them both on an extended trip this summer and found that 96% of the shots that I took were with the R and 100% of the ones that I liked were taken with the R. So the Olympus gear is now mostly gone and I'm putting the proceeds into glass for the R.

Hi Raucous Raven!

I have the same situation with Canon ROS M5. Most of the time it stays at home. So I will probably sell it and then buy R MK II or Rs when they become available.

Best regards,
Stevan

MikeB_2018 wrote:

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

The R has more MP than the 1Dx.

1Dx owners are also saying they hope Canon will make a higher MP, and IBIS, version of the 1Dx that is a bit more on the pro side.  Right?

Why is the 1Dx used by photographers for work, somewhat considered "pro", but the R with more MP and the very same IBIS as the 1Dx, not pro enough due specifically to those specs?

IBIS is pro?  It sounds like a unique use feature.  It needs no IS lens, low light, handheld, and a static subject to all be happening at once for IBIS to be handy.  A feature that makes the camera a lot less durable.  IBIS in a pro camera?

It would make more sense to say the R needs more frames per second, two card slots (three?), better weatherproofing, and faster/more-accurate AF to be considered pro.

ZX11 wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

The R has more MP than the 1Dx.

1Dx owners are also saying they hope Canon will make a higher MP, and IBIS, version of the 1Dx that is a bit more on the pro side. Right?

Why is the 1Dx used by photographers for work, somewhat considered "pro", but the R with more MP and the very same IBIS as the 1Dx, not pro enough due specifically to those specs?

IBIS is pro? It sounds like a unique use feature. It needs no IS lens, low light, handheld, and a static subject to all be happening at once for IBIS to be handy. A feature that makes the camera a lot less durable. IBIS in a pro camera?

It would make more sense to say the R needs more frames per second, two card slots (three?), better weatherproofing, and faster/more-accurate AF to be considered pro.

I haven't heard of any IBIS failures. And it can be useful for some pros- I'm certain many pros shoot with unstabilized fast primes.

I decided to give the R another shot. 3 things really pushed me over: 1, the big upgrades in Eye-AF with the FW, 2, the fact that the RF 24-105 + 35 1.8, truly the only 2 lenses I need, are both better and much cheaper than the FE versions, and 3 obviously these big holiday sales. Waiting for mine to get shipped... hopefully it will be here at Christmas.

Canon doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I love the way Canon renders, and while I will miss Sony's customizability the R is nicer to use overall.

What is it with an MLIC? The R has EFV lag but I don't miss my 5D4 and my 7D2 has been collecting dust since I got it. I don't even want to use the 7D2.

If I had unlimited hobby resources or needed it for my livelihood I'd probably would have owned the 1DX, 1DX II and probably picked up the 1DX III. Back to reality. At this point I'll never buy another DSLR.

sportyaccordy wrote:

ZX11 wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

The R has more MP than the 1Dx.

1Dx owners are also saying they hope Canon will make a higher MP, and IBIS, version of the 1Dx that is a bit more on the pro side. Right?

Why is the 1Dx used by photographers for work, somewhat considered "pro", but the R with more MP and the very same IBIS as the 1Dx, not pro enough due specifically to those specs?

IBIS is pro? It sounds like a unique use feature. It needs no IS lens, low light, handheld, and a static subject to all be happening at once for IBIS to be handy. A feature that makes the camera a lot less durable. IBIS in a pro camera?

It would make more sense to say the R needs more frames per second, two card slots (three?), better weatherproofing, and faster/more-accurate AF to be considered pro.

I haven't heard of any IBIS failures. And it can be useful for some pros- I'm certain many pros shoot with unstabilized fast primes.

I decided to give the R another shot. 3 things really pushed me over: 1, the big upgrades in Eye-AF with the FW, 2, the fact that the RF 24-105 + 35 1.8, truly the only 2 lenses I need, are both better and much cheaper than the FE versions, and 3 obviously these big holiday sales. Waiting for mine to get shipped... hopefully it will be here at Christmas.

Canon doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I love the way Canon renders, and while I will miss Sony's customizability the R is nicer to use overall.

Sporty,

Enjoy your new R.  the update to the Eye AF definitely helps, especially as one uses some of the incredibly fast f/1.2 primes or the f/2 28-70.

ZX11 - for me pro features are more about the build quality, weatherproofing and layout of the camera.  But, in order to stay on the competitive edge, Canon has to bring a feature set to the R that other competitors' cameras bring to the table - professional or otherwise.  IBIS is standard in most every other manufacturer's mirroless offerings.  There is no reason can't or shouldn't have it.

Dual card slots is also standard for almost all cameras as this level pro or not.

Higher MP is also par for the course.  More importantly, for those of us who shoot a mix of beauty, portraits and landscape it's certainly something to be considered.  I also do custom printing on my 44" printer.  So the features you see as not important are in fact important to me.  And I do make money as a photographer so I would consider myself professional and have over 40 years of doing this.  So you have your wants/needs and I have mine.

And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs.  Sports photographers, don't often need or want too high of a MP sensor as it slows down the speed which they can capture images.  Even the Sony a9 has far fewer MP but has faster FPS than the 61mp a7rIV.  Yet a fine art, portrait or landscape photographer would want higher MP and not need high FPS.  So it's all relative to the "professional's" need for their specific type of photography.

One thing I wish Canon would do is what they used to do for the 1D series before the X.  They had the same, integrated body, weather-sealing, fast processing etc in both a higher MP 1ds camera and the lower res, 1.3x crop, faster sports 1d camera.  That way a pro could have whichever option was best for them but still have the same build quality and camera layout.  So you could shoot sports with the 1d and do a portrait or landscape shoot with the 1ds and have the same basic camera.  I wish they would do that with the R.

I for one love the build and design of the 1 series and wish they would make a complimentary pair of R cameras like that.  Does that mean it's more professional and what you need?  Probably not, but I know I would like it.

MikeB_2018 wrote:

sportyaccordy wrote:

ZX11 wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

The R has more MP than the 1Dx.

1Dx owners are also saying they hope Canon will make a higher MP, and IBIS, version of the 1Dx that is a bit more on the pro side. Right?

Why is the 1Dx used by photographers for work, somewhat considered "pro", but the R with more MP and the very same IBIS as the 1Dx, not pro enough due specifically to those specs?

IBIS is pro? It sounds like a unique use feature. It needs no IS lens, low light, handheld, and a static subject to all be happening at once for IBIS to be handy. A feature that makes the camera a lot less durable. IBIS in a pro camera?

It would make more sense to say the R needs more frames per second, two card slots (three?), better weatherproofing, and faster/more-accurate AF to be considered pro.

I haven't heard of any IBIS failures. And it can be useful for some pros- I'm certain many pros shoot with unstabilized fast primes.

I decided to give the R another shot. 3 things really pushed me over: 1, the big upgrades in Eye-AF with the FW, 2, the fact that the RF 24-105 + 35 1.8, truly the only 2 lenses I need, are both better and much cheaper than the FE versions, and 3 obviously these big holiday sales. Waiting for mine to get shipped... hopefully it will be here at Christmas.

Canon doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I love the way Canon renders, and while I will miss Sony's customizability the R is nicer to use overall.

Sporty,

Enjoy your new R. the update to the Eye AF definitely helps, especially as one uses some of the incredibly fast f/1.2 primes or the f/2 28-70.

ZX11 - for me pro features are more about the build quality, weatherproofing and layout of the camera. But, in order to stay on the competitive edge, Canon has to bring a feature set to the R that other competitors' cameras bring to the table - professional or otherwise. IBIS is standard in most every other manufacturer's mirroless offerings. There is no reason can't or shouldn't have it.

Dual card slots is also standard for almost all cameras as this level pro or not.

Higher MP is also par for the course. More importantly, for those of us who shoot a mix of beauty, portraits and landscape it's certainly something to be considered. I also do custom printing on my 44" printer. So the features you see as not important are in fact important to me. And I do make money as a photographer so I would consider myself professional and have over 40 years of doing this. So you have your wants/needs and I have mine.

And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs. Sports photographers, don't often need or want too high of a MP sensor as it slows down the speed which they can capture images. Even the Sony a9 has far fewer MP but has faster FPS than the 61mp a7rIV. Yet a fine art, portrait or landscape photographer would want higher MP and not need high FPS. So it's all relative to the "professional's" need for their specific type of photography.

One thing I wish Canon would do is what they used to do for the 1D series before the X. They had the same, integrated body, weather-sealing, fast processing etc in both a higher MP 1ds camera and the lower res, 1.3x crop, faster sports 1d camera. That way a pro could have whichever option was best for them but still have the same build quality and camera layout. So you could shoot sports with the 1d and do a portrait or landscape shoot with the 1ds and have the same basic camera. I wish they would do that with the R.

I for one love the build and design of the 1 series and wish they would make a complimentary pair of R cameras like that. Does that mean it's more professional and what you need? Probably not, but I know I would like it.

You said, "And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs."

Took the words right out of my mouth.

It makes this earlier statement confusing to me, "I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side"

Maybe I don't understand what it is saying. Dual cards makes sense for a lot of important photos. Is the IBIS and more megapixels a set of features more "professional" vs others due to your own needs? Though you do suggest that due to other company's mirrorless offerings, Canon should follow suit.

That the R should follow Sony's A7mkIII features to be considered pro, and not follow the 5DmkIV and the 1Dx (Nikon D1) to be considered pro is confusing. Living in backwards world. Next I will hear the R should follow the tiny Sony RX100 with a removable EVF and a pop up flash (needed by some). And hear that the 1Dx is playing catch up to the A7mkIII (in some ways true).

ZX11 wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

sportyaccordy wrote:

ZX11 wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

The R has more MP than the 1Dx.

1Dx owners are also saying they hope Canon will make a higher MP, and IBIS, version of the 1Dx that is a bit more on the pro side. Right?

Why is the 1Dx used by photographers for work, somewhat considered "pro", but the R with more MP and the very same IBIS as the 1Dx, not pro enough due specifically to those specs?

IBIS is pro? It sounds like a unique use feature. It needs no IS lens, low light, handheld, and a static subject to all be happening at once for IBIS to be handy. A feature that makes the camera a lot less durable. IBIS in a pro camera?

It would make more sense to say the R needs more frames per second, two card slots (three?), better weatherproofing, and faster/more-accurate AF to be considered pro.

I haven't heard of any IBIS failures. And it can be useful for some pros- I'm certain many pros shoot with unstabilized fast primes.

I decided to give the R another shot. 3 things really pushed me over: 1, the big upgrades in Eye-AF with the FW, 2, the fact that the RF 24-105 + 35 1.8, truly the only 2 lenses I need, are both better and much cheaper than the FE versions, and 3 obviously these big holiday sales. Waiting for mine to get shipped... hopefully it will be here at Christmas.

Canon doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I love the way Canon renders, and while I will miss Sony's customizability the R is nicer to use overall.

Sporty,

Enjoy your new R. the update to the Eye AF definitely helps, especially as one uses some of the incredibly fast f/1.2 primes or the f/2 28-70.

ZX11 - for me pro features are more about the build quality, weatherproofing and layout of the camera. But, in order to stay on the competitive edge, Canon has to bring a feature set to the R that other competitors' cameras bring to the table - professional or otherwise. IBIS is standard in most every other manufacturer's mirroless offerings. There is no reason can't or shouldn't have it.

Dual card slots is also standard for almost all cameras as this level pro or not.

Higher MP is also par for the course. More importantly, for those of us who shoot a mix of beauty, portraits and landscape it's certainly something to be considered. I also do custom printing on my 44" printer. So the features you see as not important are in fact important to me. And I do make money as a photographer so I would consider myself professional and have over 40 years of doing this. So you have your wants/needs and I have mine.

And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs. Sports photographers, don't often need or want too high of a MP sensor as it slows down the speed which they can capture images. Even the Sony a9 has far fewer MP but has faster FPS than the 61mp a7rIV. Yet a fine art, portrait or landscape photographer would want higher MP and not need high FPS. So it's all relative to the "professional's" need for their specific type of photography.

One thing I wish Canon would do is what they used to do for the 1D series before the X. They had the same, integrated body, weather-sealing, fast processing etc in both a higher MP 1ds camera and the lower res, 1.3x crop, faster sports 1d camera. That way a pro could have whichever option was best for them but still have the same build quality and camera layout. So you could shoot sports with the 1d and do a portrait or landscape shoot with the 1ds and have the same basic camera. I wish they would do that with the R.

I for one love the build and design of the 1 series and wish they would make a complimentary pair of R cameras like that. Does that mean it's more professional and what you need? Probably not, but I know I would like it.

You said, "And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs."

Took the words right out of my mouth.

It makes this earlier statement confusing to me, "I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side"

Maybe I don't understand what it is saying. Dual cards makes sense for a lot of important photos. Is the IBIS and more megapixels a set of features more "professional" vs others due to your own needs? Though you do suggest that due to other company's mirrorless offerings, Canon should follow suit.

That the R should follow Sony's A7mkIII features to be considered pro, and not follow the 5DmkIV and the 1Dx (Nikon D1) to be considered pro is confusing. Living in backwards world. Next I will hear the R should follow the tiny Sony RX100 with a removable EVF and a pop up flash (needed by some). And hear that the 1Dx is playing catch up to the A7mkIII (in some ways true).

I think we can debate semantics all day.  I'll conclude with this:  You misread my statement by conflating the things I wanted in a new R, AND SEPARATELY, that I hope they make a more "pro" model.  That wasn't to say that the things I wanted would be the things to make a new R a more "pro" camera.  Just that those are things I would like to have AND, ADDITIONALLY, if they could deliver a new R that was geared more to a professional market vs. pure consumer that would be good.  So I think that's where there is a miscommunication.

What would make a new R more "professional" is subjective.  So we can both think that is different without either of us being wrong.  Just like different professional photographers have different needs to do their professional work with a camera.

And you made a lot of statements that are based on your own thinking that some will agree with and some will disagree.  But I never said those things.

MikeB_2018 wrote:

ZX11 wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

sportyaccordy wrote:

ZX11 wrote:

MikeB_2018 wrote:

The R, while still smaller and less comfortable to grip than my DSLRs was infinitely more comfortable than the Sony cameras. So the R really was a great camera at the right time. I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side, but the R is so good I bought a second as I shift over to mostly all RF lenses.

The R has more MP than the 1Dx.

1Dx owners are also saying they hope Canon will make a higher MP, and IBIS, version of the 1Dx that is a bit more on the pro side. Right?

Why is the 1Dx used by photographers for work, somewhat considered "pro", but the R with more MP and the very same IBIS as the 1Dx, not pro enough due specifically to those specs?

IBIS is pro? It sounds like a unique use feature. It needs no IS lens, low light, handheld, and a static subject to all be happening at once for IBIS to be handy. A feature that makes the camera a lot less durable. IBIS in a pro camera?

It would make more sense to say the R needs more frames per second, two card slots (three?), better weatherproofing, and faster/more-accurate AF to be considered pro.

I haven't heard of any IBIS failures. And it can be useful for some pros- I'm certain many pros shoot with unstabilized fast primes.

I decided to give the R another shot. 3 things really pushed me over: 1, the big upgrades in Eye-AF with the FW, 2, the fact that the RF 24-105 + 35 1.8, truly the only 2 lenses I need, are both better and much cheaper than the FE versions, and 3 obviously these big holiday sales. Waiting for mine to get shipped... hopefully it will be here at Christmas.

Canon doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I love the way Canon renders, and while I will miss Sony's customizability the R is nicer to use overall.

Sporty,

Enjoy your new R. the update to the Eye AF definitely helps, especially as one uses some of the incredibly fast f/1.2 primes or the f/2 28-70.

ZX11 - for me pro features are more about the build quality, weatherproofing and layout of the camera. But, in order to stay on the competitive edge, Canon has to bring a feature set to the R that other competitors' cameras bring to the table - professional or otherwise. IBIS is standard in most every other manufacturer's mirroless offerings. There is no reason can't or shouldn't have it.

Dual card slots is also standard for almost all cameras as this level pro or not.

Higher MP is also par for the course. More importantly, for those of us who shoot a mix of beauty, portraits and landscape it's certainly something to be considered. I also do custom printing on my 44" printer. So the features you see as not important are in fact important to me. And I do make money as a photographer so I would consider myself professional and have over 40 years of doing this. So you have your wants/needs and I have mine.

And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs. Sports photographers, don't often need or want too high of a MP sensor as it slows down the speed which they can capture images. Even the Sony a9 has far fewer MP but has faster FPS than the 61mp a7rIV. Yet a fine art, portrait or landscape photographer would want higher MP and not need high FPS. So it's all relative to the "professional's" need for their specific type of photography.

One thing I wish Canon would do is what they used to do for the 1D series before the X. They had the same, integrated body, weather-sealing, fast processing etc in both a higher MP 1ds camera and the lower res, 1.3x crop, faster sports 1d camera. That way a pro could have whichever option was best for them but still have the same build quality and camera layout. So you could shoot sports with the 1d and do a portrait or landscape shoot with the 1ds and have the same basic camera. I wish they would do that with the R.

I for one love the build and design of the 1 series and wish they would make a complimentary pair of R cameras like that. Does that mean it's more professional and what you need? Probably not, but I know I would like it.

You said, "And one thing I have learned with photography is that it's not really fair to state one set of features is more "professional" vs others due to your own needs."

Took the words right out of my mouth.

It makes this earlier statement confusing to me, "I do hope Canon will make a higher MP, dual card, IBIS version that is a bit more on the pro side"

Maybe I don't understand what it is saying. Dual cards makes sense for a lot of important photos. Is the IBIS and more megapixels a set of features more "professional" vs others due to your own needs? Though you do suggest that due to other company's mirrorless offerings, Canon should follow suit.

That the R should follow Sony's A7mkIII features to be considered pro, and not follow the 5DmkIV and the 1Dx (Nikon D1) to be considered pro is confusing. Living in backwards world. Next I will hear the R should follow the tiny Sony RX100 with a removable EVF and a pop up flash (needed by some). And hear that the 1Dx is playing catch up to the A7mkIII (in some ways true).

I think we can debate semantics all day. I'll conclude with this: You misread my statement by conflating the things I wanted in a new R, AND SEPARATELY, that I hope they make a more "pro" model. That wasn't to say that the things I wanted would be the things to make a new R a more "pro" camera. Just that those are things I would like to have AND, ADDITIONALLY, if they could deliver a new R that was geared more to a professional market vs. pure consumer that would be good. So I think that's where there is a miscommunication.

What would make a new R more "professional" is subjective. So we can both think that is different without either of us being wrong. Just like different professional photographers have different needs to do their professional work with a camera.

And you made a lot of statements that are based on your own thinking that some will agree with and some will disagree. But I never said those things.

Fair enough.  No big deal.

My last paragraph was not from or to you but relates to what is often said in the R forum for some reason.  Likely said because now that Canon makes mirrorless, they should be making them like other mirrorless cameras out there.

Use it and abuse it, then buy another (the last snow brushed off it fine).