Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

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malcolmbebb Regular Member • Posts: 180
Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

Hi,

Just downloaded the LR trial and using it for first time on a set of photos to see how the workflow works for me. Please be gentle, I don't have much time to just play around with it or rtfm at this point...

I did all the processing that I wanted, that went well, but I would like LR to delete (bin) the photos that I don't want (loads of duplicates in burst mode plus the usual duff shots) as well as just deleting them from its internal database. Is there an easy way to do that?

Secondly, the directory I imported was raw+jpeg. The filmstrip view doesn't (didn't) identify which was which. Ok, I can work it out or use the Info tab, but is there a way of showing the filename with the thumbnails?

Thanks
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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Hi,

Just downloaded the LR trial and using it for first time on a set of photos to see how the workflow works for me. Please be gentle, I don't have much time to just play around with it or rtfm at this point...

I did all the processing that I wanted, that went well, but I would like LR to delete (bin) the photos that I don't want (loads of duplicates in burst mode plus the usual duff shots) as well as just deleting them from its internal database. Is there an easy way to do that?

Secondly, the directory I imported was raw+jpeg. The filmstrip view doesn't (didn't) identify which was which. Ok, I can work it out or use the Info tab, but is there a way of showing the filename with the thumbnails?

Thanks
Malcolm

For rejecting just right click on the ones you don't want, set flag and the select rejected photos. After from the top menu select Photo and then Delete Rejected Photos. Choose Delete From disk to permanently bin them.

In the Develop module it should tell you the file type here.

To separate RAW and Jpeg in the Library module select Metadata. Not sure how many columns there will be by default but you can add and remove them. Click anywhere here in any column and select file type.

As you can see I have a pile of RAW files, a DNG and a few TIFF's. Click on the one you want. The metadata tool can do a lot for you.

Do you about the Embedded and Sidecar option at import. It allows you to cut while the previews build.

https://blogs.adobe.com/sunil/2017/10/18/embedded-preview-workflow-in-lightroom-classic/

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Hi,

Just downloaded the LR trial and using it for first time on a set of photos to see how the workflow works for me. Please be gentle, I don't have much time to just play around with it or rtfm at this point...

I did all the processing that I wanted, that went well, but I would like LR to delete (bin) the photos that I don't want (loads of duplicates in burst mode plus the usual duff shots) as well as just deleting them from its internal database. Is there an easy way to do that?

Secondly, the directory I imported was raw+jpeg. The filmstrip view doesn't (didn't) identify which was which. Ok, I can work it out or use the Info tab, but is there a way of showing the filename with the thumbnails?

Thanks
Malcolm

It's been a while since I used Lightroom, but I seem to recall that somewhere in the "Preferences" there is a tick box labeled "treat JPEG files next to RAW files as separate photos."

As for the first part, I thought you selected the unwanted images and simply pressed "Delete" or maybe right click the selected images and select "Delete" from a drop down menu?
Sorry but it's been over 18 months since I used LR, and I've forgotten most of it, but I don't recall any problems deleting unwanted shots.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

MisterBG wrote:

malcolmbebb wrote:

Hi,

Just downloaded the LR trial and using it for first time on a set of photos to see how the workflow works for me. Please be gentle, I don't have much time to just play around with it or rtfm at this point...

I did all the processing that I wanted, that went well, but I would like LR to delete (bin) the photos that I don't want (loads of duplicates in burst mode plus the usual duff shots) as well as just deleting them from its internal database. Is there an easy way to do that?

Secondly, the directory I imported was raw+jpeg. The filmstrip view doesn't (didn't) identify which was which. Ok, I can work it out or use the Info tab, but is there a way of showing the filename with the thumbnails?

Thanks
Malcolm

It's been a while since I used Lightroom, but I seem to recall that somewhere in the "Preferences" there is a tick box labeled "treat JPEG files next to RAW files as separate photos."

As for the first part, I thought you selected the unwanted images and simply pressed "Delete" or maybe right click the selected images and select "Delete" from a drop down menu?
Sorry but it's been over 18 months since I used LR, and I've forgotten most of it, but I don't recall any problems deleting unwanted shots.

Yes it is there. I have never used it because I only shoot RAW.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

Zeee wrote:

MisterBG wrote:

malcolmbebb wrote:

Hi,

Just downloaded the LR trial and using it for first time on a set of photos to see how the workflow works for me. Please be gentle, I don't have much time to just play around with it or rtfm at this point...

I did all the processing that I wanted, that went well, but I would like LR to delete (bin) the photos that I don't want (loads of duplicates in burst mode plus the usual duff shots) as well as just deleting them from its internal database. Is there an easy way to do that?

Secondly, the directory I imported was raw+jpeg. The filmstrip view doesn't (didn't) identify which was which. Ok, I can work it out or use the Info tab, but is there a way of showing the filename with the thumbnails?

Thanks
Malcolm

It's been a while since I used Lightroom, but I seem to recall that somewhere in the "Preferences" there is a tick box labeled "treat JPEG files next to RAW files as separate photos."

As for the first part, I thought you selected the unwanted images and simply pressed "Delete" or maybe right click the selected images and select "Delete" from a drop down menu?
Sorry but it's been over 18 months since I used LR, and I've forgotten most of it, but I don't recall any problems deleting unwanted shots.

Yes it is there. I have never used it because I only shoot RAW.

In your post above you said:

"Secondly, the directory I imported was raw+jpeg." I can work it out or use the Info tab, but is there a way of showing the filename with the thumbnails?"

Hence my reply.
The filenames will be IMGxxxx.ARW (or whatever raw format you use} and IMGxxxx.jpg
I cannot think of any other way they will be identifiable.

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My workflow is to set LR to create full size previews when importing images. This can take some time if it is a lot of images so that is a good time to get a cup of coffee and read a good book.

In the Library Module I go view each image as fast as possible. For images I want to reject, such as an accidental shot of my feet or clearly bad images from bursts, I simply hit the letter "X". This sets a reject flag. When finished you use the LR command Photo > Delete Rejected Files. You can also use the keyboard shortcut Cmd+Del or Ctrl+Backspace to do the same thing.

I next make a a pass at 1:1 for the remaining images. This time I am looking critically at focus. If I see something like the near eye in a portrait being out of focus I hit the "X" key again. After this pass I delete the rejected photos again then I am ready to start using the Develop Module to edit the images.

I then make one more pass viewing the entire image and select the images to be edited and give them a one star rating. Comparing image side by side can help making the decision between images from a burst or from similar portrait images, etc. As Adobe says:

Compare photos in the Compare view

  • In the Grid view or the Filmstrip, select two photos and then do one of the following:
    • Click the Compare View icon

      in the toolbar.
    • Choose View > Compare.

After editing I decide on how many stars to give to my edited images. I'm still hopping for a five star image one of these days.

You can display only your JPGs or your RAW files as Zee described.

As far as image names go, it can be done before importing them into LR or within LR.

If you change image names outside of LR after importing images into LR then LR won't know that you have changed the names and can't find them unless you tell them where each and every individual renamed file is located.

For changing image names before importing them into LR I use either the free image viewer/editor FastStone or Bulk Rename Utility.  Both have bulk renaming capabilities.

FastStone Image Viewer - Powerful and Intuitive Photo Viewer, Editor and Batch Converter

FastStone Image Viewer - Beginners Guide (Photo Viewer / Editor) - YouTube

Bulk Rename Utility - Free File Renaming Software

If you decide to stay with LR my recommendation is that you stop wasting storage space on your camera memory card or on your hard disk and shoot only RAW. It is so simple in LR to create JPGs from your edited RAW images that it isn't worth saving them.

Since you are new to LR I'll add my recommendations about workflow in LR. It is a long read but worth it.

The key to working in Lightroom is organization.

The first thing to do is organize how you store images on your hard drives. You also need to have a good cataloging scheme (mine duplicates my image storage scheme), and have an organized way to work in the Develop Module for your images.

Most of us think of the subjects of our images, not the dates we took the images so a subject based file storage scheme makes sense to me. My scheme is based on stacked folders and names with the date as only part of the name for the actual folder that contains the images.

As an example, My Photos>France>Paris>Eiffel Tower 150813 where 150813 would be the date in the YYMMDD format. The Paris folder might also contain other folders such as Eiffel Tower 140602 and Louvre 1508012.

In Lightroom Collection Sets can contain other Collection Sets or simple Collections so I use a stacked Collection Sets & Collections scheme, but of course I don't start with a Collection Set called My Photos, LR itself serves as the top level Collection. The LR Catalog scheme for the above would have a Collection Set Called France, then a Collection Set called Paris and finally a simple Collection called Eiffel Tower 150813, etc. (note I have indicated in parenthesis which is a Collection Set and which is a simple Collection):

France (Collection Set)>Paris (Collection Set)>Eiffel Tower 150813 (Collection) plus Collections for Eiffel Tower 140602 and Louvre 1508012.

Lightroom also lets you make Collections for special purposes. For instance if you wanted to print a book of images from a trip to France, a wedding, etc. you might create a Collection of just the images you want to put into the book. With the new face recognition capability of LR it is also easy to create Collections of people.

The beauty of placing the same image in multiple Collections is that the image is not copied since a Collection is just a list of the addresses of where the images are stored on the hard disk. Very little space is used on your hard disk for the list of addresses when you place the same image in multiple Collections.

You also have the option of renaming your actual image files. One way of naming them might be Louvre 1508012-001 through Louvre 1508012-999. Personally I don't rename my RAW files but I rename and sequentially number the JPGs I Export for use on the web or on a phone or tablet.

Using a top down folder scheme lets me easily find images using image viewer programs such as FastStone or even the OS file explorer. The Collection Scheme does the same in Lightroom.

Adding keywords expands the search capabilities in Lightroom, making it even easier to find a single image or similar images. Key words, for instance, would make it easy to find only the images of the Eiffel Tower taken in 2014 but not in any other year.

Here are some good tutorials on getting started with the Library module of Lightroom. Some of these are for LR 5 but the material is still relevant.

B&H - Tim Grey - Getting Started With Lightroom 5

B&H - Tim Grey - Organizing Photos with Adobe Lightroom - YouTube

B&H - Tim Cooper - Adobe Lightroom: The Library Module, Order from Chaos - YouTube

Martin Evening - The Lightroom catalog: Digital Photography Review

Martin Evening - Lightroom Photo Import: Digital Photography Review

Organization is also important in the Develop Module. The Basic Panel controls are arranged in the top down order in that Adobe thinks is the best order to make adjustments, and it is a very good order to use, but not always the best. The order in which you make adjustments can vary, depending on the image. A good rule to use is to always correct the worst thing first then go back to the top down order.

One of the best editing work flows I have found is the Five Step Tango by Jack Davis.

CreativeLive - Jack Davis - The Five Step Tango Global Optimizing Images in Lightroom - Cost $29

Here is my modified version, but as I said earlier it is necessary to remain flexible in what order you apply changes to your images.

Five Step Tango for Lightroom by Jack Davis with Modifications

  1. X-Rite ColorChecker Passport Camera Calibration and/or WB then Crop. If desired you can adjust the WB & Tint for artistic purposes but I only do this after setting the correct WB using the ColorChecker Passport or a WB card.
  1. Auto - With a bit of tweaking this works about 80% of the time for "normal" images. If you don't like the results just smile and tweak the results or just hit Undo and make the adjustments manually.
  1. Exposure - Adjust this for the mid-tones, not the highlights or shadows.
  1. Check or set the Whites and/or Blacks. You can Auto set Whites and/or Blacks by using Shift plus double clicking Whites and/or Blacks. You can also hold down the Alt (Option) key while moving the sliders - this will display only the pixels that are overexposed or underexposed as appropriate.
  1. Clarity

Shadows

Highlights

It is worth noting that adjusting any of the five exposure controls will have some effect on the other four. If you adjust the Highlights or Shadows after setting the Whites and Blacks you should recheck and tweak the Whites and Blacks if necessary.

  1. Vibrance

Contrast if necessary

  1. HSL - rarely
  1. Creative Sharpening unless the image will be edited in a second program such as Photoshop

Noise Reduction, Noise Nija, etc. - rarely since I shoot mostly at ISO 100 or 200

  1. Lens Corrections (this can be done on import if desired or delayed till this step)
  1. Post-Crop Vignetting or Radial Gradient Filter for Vignetting

Add Grain - rarely

  1. Edit in Photoshop, etc. as needed.

Tim Grey offers an alternative view to that of Jack Davis on developing images plus here is information on other areas of LR. Again, some of these are for LR 5 but the material is still relevant. There is also a fair bit of overlap between some of these but repetition is good for learning.

B&H - Tim Grey - Optimizing Photos in Lightroom - YouTube

B&H - Tim Grey - Optimizing and Sharing Photos With Lightroom 5

B&H - Tim Grey - Real-World Optimization in Lightroom CC 2015

B&H - Robert Rodreguez - Master the Lightroom 5 Print Module

B&H - Tim Grey - Using Lightroom & Photoshop Together

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

Thanks - I'm beginning to wonder if the Trial mode has got some stuff hidden. The version I have is 3.1

Found the Reject and Pick options, OK with stars and colours and recognise that I need to choose a scheme for allocating them (but not yet).
So at present I can't see the file name anywhere unless I select the Info tab, which slows things down. And I can't find some of the views mentioned, haven't found Develop mode but I can access all the light and colour tools that I'd expect. 
The Preferences seem pretty skinny, too - I'd expect a lot more.

It seems that LR created a private directory with a complete copy of the imported photos, I could delete the source directory without losing files (?) and this is where the Delete option appears to work. Delete is from a bin icon in the Library. I can't find some of the menu items mentioned in the replies. Unless they've reworked the user interface.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Thanks - I'm beginning to wonder if the Trial mode has got some stuff hidden. The version I have is 3.1

Found the Reject and Pick options, OK with stars and colours and recognise that I need to choose a scheme for allocating them (but not yet).
So at present I can't see the file name anywhere unless I select the Info tab, which slows things down. And I can't find some of the views mentioned, haven't found Develop mode but I can access all the light and colour tools that I'd expect.
The Preferences seem pretty skinny, too - I'd expect a lot more.

It seems that LR created a private directory with a complete copy of the imported photos, I could delete the source directory without losing files (?) and this is where the Delete option appears to work. Delete is from a bin icon in the Library. I can't find some of the menu items mentioned in the replies. Unless they've reworked the user interface.

I think you installed Lightroom. That is the mobile that moves your files to the cloud. It does not have all the features. Is that the one you want to use?

Lightroom Classic is the full blown desktop application. You have to store flies locally with an option to sync to the cloud, if you choose to do so. If you do it only sends smart previews that do not use any cloud storage space.

Sorry I should have asked. I assumed you were trying out LR Classic. I don't know much about about cloud storage but you can get easily them down again. Someone else will come in to help out there. I don't something to go wrong.

After you are done delete the Lightroom App and install Lightroom Classic.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

Zeee wrote:

malcolmbebb wrote:

Thanks - I'm beginning to wonder if the Trial mode has got some stuff hidden. The version I have is 3.1

Found the Reject and Pick options, OK with stars and colours and recognise that I need to choose a scheme for allocating them (but not yet).
So at present I can't see the file name anywhere unless I select the Info tab, which slows things down. And I can't find some of the views mentioned, haven't found Develop mode but I can access all the light and colour tools that I'd expect.
The Preferences seem pretty skinny, too - I'd expect a lot more.

It seems that LR created a private directory with a complete copy of the imported photos, I could delete the source directory without losing files (?) and this is where the Delete option appears to work. Delete is from a bin icon in the Library. I can't find some of the menu items mentioned in the replies. Unless they've reworked the user interface.

I think you installed Lightroom. That is the mobile that moves your files to the cloud. It does not have all the features. Is that the one you want to use?

Lightroom Classic is the full blown desktop application. You have to store flies locally with an option to sync to the cloud, if you choose to do so. If you do it only sends smart previews that do not use any cloud storage space.

Sorry I should have asked. I assumed you were trying out LR Classic. I don't know much about about cloud storage but you can get easily them down again. Someone else will come in to help out there. I don't something to go wrong.

After you are done delete the Lightroom App and install Lightroom Classic.

I started a new thread to get an answer quickly.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

Zeee wrote:

I think you installed Lightroom. That is the mobile that moves your files to the cloud. It does not have all the features. Is that the one you want to use?

Lightroom Classic is the full blown desktop application. You have to store flies locally with an option to sync to the cloud, if you choose to do so. If you do it only sends smart previews that do not use any cloud storage space.

Sorry I should have asked. I assumed you were trying out LR Classic. I don't know much about about cloud storage but you can get easily them down again. Someone else will come in to help out there. I don't something to go wrong.

After you are done delete the Lightroom App and install Lightroom Classic.

That would explain it - it is on a PC, I just accepted what was offered, but I was wondering about the references I've seen to Classic and CC.

Yes, it's saying a lot about cloud stuff and having synced. I ignored that for the time being, since the evaluation period is only a week and I can't get to play with it every day.

Been trying various tools and so far LR - even this version - has pretty much aligned with how I like to work. My changes are mostly general, WB, exposure, shadows/highlights, crop/straighten etc and I've been pretty much at home with those.

I'd been using the Windows Photos app a lot - surprisingly capable - but it doesn't support all my raw formats nor do a bunch of other stuff I've learnt to want!

Thanks again - I might have paid for the wrong version and ended up wondering why I couldn't do half the stuff!

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - answered (I hope)

Thanks for all the comments and help. At present it looks like the version of LR that I installed wasn't the one I need. So I will investigate that further.

The comments will come inuseful (and already have, in fact) so I will be referring back here  as I progress.

Malcolm

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Zeee wrote:

I think you installed Lightroom. That is the mobile that moves your files to the cloud. It does not have all the features. Is that the one you want to use?

Lightroom Classic is the full blown desktop application. You have to store flies locally with an option to sync to the cloud, if you choose to do so. If you do it only sends smart previews that do not use any cloud storage space.

Sorry I should have asked. I assumed you were trying out LR Classic. I don't know much about about cloud storage but you can get easily them down again. Someone else will come in to help out there. I don't something to go wrong.

After you are done delete the Lightroom App and install Lightroom Classic.

That would explain it - it is on a PC, I just accepted what was offered, but I was wondering about the references I've seen to Classic and CC.

Yes, it's saying a lot about cloud stuff and having synced. I ignored that for the time being, since the evaluation period is only a week and I can't get to play with it every day.

Been trying various tools and so far LR - even this version - has pretty much aligned with how I like to work. My changes are mostly general, WB, exposure, shadows/highlights, crop/straighten etc and I've been pretty much at home with those.

I'd been using the Windows Photos app a lot - surprisingly capable - but it doesn't support all my raw formats nor do a bunch of other stuff I've learnt to want!

Thanks again - I might have paid for the wrong version and ended up wondering why I couldn't do half the stuff!

Running LR and LR Classic is not recommended by Adobe. People have workarounds. To sum it up both want to be the boss.

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malcolmbebb wrote:

Thanks for all the comments and help. At present it looks like the version of LR that I installed wasn't the one I need. So I will investigate that further.

The comments will come inuseful (and already have, in fact) so I will be referring back here as I progress.

Malcolm

Thread to get info about the cloud.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63426508

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Zeee wrote:

I think you installed Lightroom. That is the mobile that moves your files to the cloud. It does not have all the features. Is that the one you want to use?

Lightroom Classic is the full blown desktop application. You have to store flies locally with an option to sync to the cloud, if you choose to do so. If you do it only sends smart previews that do not use any cloud storage space.

Sorry I should have asked. I assumed you were trying out LR Classic. I don't know much about about cloud storage but you can get easily them down again. Someone else will come in to help out there. I don't something to go wrong.

After you are done delete the Lightroom App and install Lightroom Classic.

That would explain it - it is on a PC, I just accepted what was offered, but I was wondering about the references I've seen to Classic and CC.

Yes, it's saying a lot about cloud stuff and having synced. I ignored that for the time being, since the evaluation period is only a week and I can't get to play with it every day.

Been trying various tools and so far LR - even this version - has pretty much aligned with how I like to work. My changes are mostly general, WB, exposure, shadows/highlights, crop/straighten etc and I've been pretty much at home with those.

I'd been using the Windows Photos app a lot - surprisingly capable - but it doesn't support all my raw formats nor do a bunch of other stuff I've learnt to want!

Thanks again - I might have paid for the wrong version and ended up wondering why I couldn't do half the stuff!

The naming is a little confusing. Good luck with your testing.

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Re: Not sure where you are with your testing

Just in case a few pointers about the catalogue. Sometimes new users confuse the catalogue with the files. They refer to the catalogue as the files. They are two separate things. The catalogue is a database that records all your edits.

I'm on a Mac so unless you specify a location the first time you open LR by default it puts the Lightroom folder that contains the catalogue in Pictures. Not sure where it puts it on a PC.

My files are on an external drive. I can use different editors to make adjustments and it won't effect LR's edits, as long as they are non destructive. The catalogue just needs to know where the files are.

When I took lessons they taught me to use LR to move folders around. Easiest way to maintain the link between the catalogue and file. If you are moving 10,000 files then it is better to use the OS and then re-establish the link/s later. LR can lose files along the way.

There have been many conversations about one catalogue vs multiple catalogues. Multiple catalogues defeat the purpose what the cataloging system can do for you with key wording etc. There is no known limit for the catalogue size. There have been reports of over a million files in one. The catalogue is every small because it is just a database. I've been using it since 2012 and it still under 1000MB.

The key to LR is just a little organization and simple maintenance. When you exit LR make sure the Test integrity and Optimize are checked. Exit once in a while to do this. Here is good document to keep LR optimized. Once set up it is a breeze. You don't need to do this right away.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/kb/optimize-performance-lightroom.html

That being said after years of using LR I have seen people asking fo help because of files being stored all over the place, broken links that were not looked after, etc. This often causes issues with new version updates when the catalogue is upgraded. I have never had a single catalogue issue. Again a little organization and maintenance.

My structure. The ext drive is called Photos and parent folder is My RAW Collection. Subfolders are by year and in every year by event and date. There are many ways to set it up and use key wording, etc for searches. I would suggest to start off with a plan for the structure which will save you grief 5 years from now.

I import to the desktop (HD) then using LR drag the folder into the appropriate year in Photos. I use the Camera Default Master files in the HD to set up what I adjusted when LR imports files. They are just dummy files but it helps me control my import settings as sometimes I change them.

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mfinley Senior Member • Posts: 3,231
Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Found the Reject and Pick options, OK with stars and colours and recognise that I need to choose a scheme for allocating them (but not yet).
So at present I can't see the file name anywhere unless I select the Info tab, which slows things down. And I can't find some of the views mentioned, haven't found Develop mode but I can access all the light and colour tools that I'd expect.
The Preferences seem pretty skinny, too - I'd expect a lot more.

On the desk top, for workflow learning a handful of keyboard short cuts is extremely valuable.

If you load 500 new images, an easy workflow is to cull by star rating or flagging, but not by right-clicking, that's way too time consuming. You can set star ratings by simply using the keyboard numbers 1-5.

A very easy way to start(you can get more sophisticated after you learn to crawl) is where it says filters just above your image timeline click on the less than symbol, with no stars selected,

then click on turn custom filter on.

Anytime you give an image a star rating it will disappear from your timeline bar, the idea is to cull what you want to delete fast by rating, say a 1 to delete. When you rate an image a 1 it will disappear from your timeline, cleaning up what images you have left to deal with. It hasn't deleted them, just removed them from view, the only ones that will stay are non-rated.

You can cull all the big duds fast, rate them a 1 and keep going, after you go through them all, click on that less than sign again and change it to 'equal to' and then click on 1 of the stars, the only thing that will show up now are all the images you rated a 1. Now highlight them all at the same time and delete them all at the same time.

There are multiple ways to do the above, you can do it with flags, colors etc but the idea is to do it fast and avoid right clicking and choosing menu items each time you want to cull an image. Get started with key-board short cuts as soon as possible.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

Ok, things have moved on. I have put my "first-pass culled" and "export jpegs" in a safe place and uninstalled the previous version of LR. This version created its own import originals directory which I can now delete, having deleted the unwanted files and copied it. I might revist this batch, I might just clean up and file them now.

I've installed Lightroom Classic and have a whole bunch of new controls. But I stopped short of importing anything yet.

I think this is what I need to do:

The next step is to create an output directory and tell LR where it is. When I import, if I've got it right, I can create subfolders in this directory and tell LR to import into them (or accept defaults and file by  date, definitely not preferred) as I go along. For instance, I may have team and/or venue and date in the folder name.

I can import from a variety of sources, from camera, SD card or existing directory and have LR put them in my new structure, creating a database as it does so. I can add keywords and change filenames as I import - or do that separately with a viewer. Think about that separately. Once I know I'm safe I can delete the originals.

During the import I can unmark files for import or rank them, using keyboard keys, and I can revisit once imported and mark as rejected/delete or change the ranking, and/or edit as I wish.
I usually end up with jpegs, and often delete the orignal files apart from any that I particularly like - from experience, most won't get revisited and if needed then editing the jpeg will do. Some will be saved for Photoshop/Affinity, but I can usually do all of my normal edits in LR, that much is clear. Initially I will work with raw where possible, I did a lot of white balance corrections in the last session and the opportunity to batch these beckons.

From there I can, from within LR, move stuff to a backup drive. Still need to decide about Flickr/Instagram and all that stuff - another day.

Then, if the weather is bad enough and I get bored enough, I can revisit the plethora of historical photos on my drive and tidy them up too. Probably.

(Been meaning to do this for a while, but I have several hundred holiday shots to sort out and I want to get it right for those! So that's the trigger to get moving.)

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Ok, things have moved on. I have put my "first-pass culled" and "export jpegs" in a safe place and uninstalled the previous version of LR. This version created its own import originals directory which I can now delete, having deleted the unwanted files and copied it. I might revist this batch, I might just clean up and file them now.

I've installed Lightroom Classic and have a whole bunch of new controls. But I stopped short of importing anything yet.

I think this is what I need to do:

The next step is to create an output directory and tell LR where it is. When I import, if I've got it right, I can create subfolders in this directory and tell LR to import into them (or accept defaults and file by date, definitely not preferred) as I go along. For instance, I may have team and/or venue and date in the folder name.

I can import from a variety of sources, from camera, SD card or existing directory and have LR put them in my new structure, creating a database as it does so. I can add keywords and change filenames as I import - or do that separately with a viewer. Think about that separately. Once I know I'm safe I can delete the originals.

During the import I can unmark files for import or rank them, using keyboard keys, and I can revisit once imported and mark as rejected/delete or change the ranking, and/or edit as I wish.
I usually end up with jpegs, and often delete the orignal files apart from any that I particularly like - from experience, most won't get revisited and if needed then editing the jpeg will do. Some will be saved for Photoshop/Affinity, but I can usually do all of my normal edits in LR, that much is clear. Initially I will work with raw where possible, I did a lot of white balance corrections in the last session and the opportunity to batch these beckons.

The beauty about LR is you don't have to keep the Jpegs if you don't need them. I have quite a few folders from gigs I shot and I can export them again if a customer needed them. I keep my hobby ones around.

I see your point about storing files you probably will never go back to. Storage is pretty inexpensive and I find it just easier to forget about them then deleting them.

From there I can, from within LR, move stuff to a backup drive. Still need to decide about Flickr/Instagram and all that stuff - another day.

Then, if the weather is bad enough and I get bored enough, I can revisit the plethora of historical photos on my drive and tidy them up too. Probably.

(Been meaning to do this for a while, but I have several hundred holiday shots to sort out and I want to get it right for those! So that's the trigger to get moving.)

Making a plan and organizing is the key to a good start. Takes a little time but once you are done it is no effort.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

Keyboard shortcuts help here.

The following describes my culling process in LR. When I import a pile of photos I start in the Library mode, recent imports, first shot in the filmstrip.

Press the "e" key. That will give you the Loupe view which shows you a large image so you can look at details. If it looks like it's something you might want to edit, press the "6" key. That gives the image a red color label. If it's complete trash, press the "x" key. That will give the image a reject label. If you're not sure, just go to the next one.

When you get through all the shots, filter on the reject flag. Select all the shots and press delete. You will get a dialog asking if you want to delete the file from the disk or just remove it from the catalog. For the complete junk delete from the disk.

Uncheck the reject flag filter and filter on the red color label. Now you have all your "good" shots selected. Edit them. As you edit, you can press "7" to change the color label from red to yellow, meaning you have done some work on it but you might want to do more. If you are satisfied with the edits, press "8" to change the color label to green.

Now you have a bunch of photos that have no color label, a red label, yellow label or green label which tells you how good they are. The no color label images you might want to look through to see if you missed anything. If not you can filter on no color label, select all, and delete from the catalog. That leaves them on the disk in case you want to go back later. If you don't want those things hanging around, delete them from the disk instead.

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Re: Lightroom newbie question - culling for real

malcolmbebb wrote:

Ok, things have moved on. I have put my "first-pass culled" and "export jpegs" in a safe place and uninstalled the previous version of LR. This version created its own import originals directory which I can now delete, having deleted the unwanted files and copied it. I might revist this batch, I might just clean up and file them now.

I've installed Lightroom Classic and have a whole bunch of new controls. But I stopped short of importing anything yet.

I think this is what I need to do:

The next step is to create an output directory and tell LR where it is. When I import, if I've got it right, I can create subfolders in this directory and tell LR to import into them (or accept defaults and file by date, definitely not preferred) as I go along. For instance, I may have team and/or venue and date in the folder name.

I can import from a variety of sources, from camera, SD card or existing directory and have LR put them in my new structure, creating a database as it does so. I can add keywords and change filenames as I import - or do that separately with a viewer. Think about that separately. Once I know I'm safe I can delete the originals.

During the import I can unmark files for import or rank them, using keyboard keys, and I can revisit once imported and mark as rejected/delete or change the ranking, and/or edit as I wish.
I usually end up with jpegs, and often delete the orignal files apart from any that I particularly like - from experience, most won't get revisited and if needed then editing the jpeg will do. Some will be saved for Photoshop/Affinity, but I can usually do all of my normal edits in LR, that much is clear. Initially I will work with raw where possible, I did a lot of white balance corrections in the last session and the opportunity to batch these beckons.

From there I can, from within LR, move stuff to a backup drive. Still need to decide about Flickr/Instagram and all that stuff - another day.

Then, if the weather is bad enough and I get bored enough, I can revisit the plethora of historical photos on my drive and tidy them up too. Probably.

(Been meaning to do this for a while, but I have several hundred holiday shots to sort out and I want to get it right for those! So that's the trigger to get moving.)

I believe there is some confusion to what LR is doing when you 'import' photos. LR is not actually copying or moving your originals into itself nor any folders. It sounds like you might think this is what it is doing, but I may not be reading you correctly.

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