will the g9x iii ever come?

yazcui wrote:

It's about due, no?

Is it possible to think nowadays about cameras being due on a regular basis?

AllFlawed wrote:

yazcui wrote:

It's about due, no?

Is it possible to think nowadays about cameras being due on a regular basis?

Sure why not?

yazcui wrote:

It's about due, no?

As you said - no.

yazcui wrote:

It's about due, no?

If past performance is any indication of future performance, let's take a gander:

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G1 X = January 2012

G1 X Mark II = February 2014 (+2.08 years)

G1 X Mark III = October 2017 (+3.66 years)

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G3 X = July 2015

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G5 X = October 2015

G5 X Mark II = July 2019 (+3.75 years)

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G7 X = September 2014

G7 X Mark II = February 2016 (+1.50 years)

G7 X Mark III = July 2019 (+3.42 years)

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G9 X = October 2015

G9 X Mark II = January 2017 (+1.25 years)

"G9X Mark III" = mid-July 2020 (+3.61 years, the average time between the latest updates and their predecessors)

So, by this infallible logic, the G9 X will be announced in 7 months, give or take 6 months (CES 2020 or CES 2021).

Well, at least we're not G3 X fans.

yazcui wrote:

It's about due, no?

It will be due when Canon determines so based on whether an upgrade will sell well enough to pay for the R&D and Marketing for it.

mouzhik wrote:

What is wrong with the G9X II ?

missing another I

no viewfinder, no tilt screen, no APS-C - then it's too small and too pricey

the menu .. oh my

3x zoom is lousy too

I'm still struggling with doing 4K

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Anders_K wrote:

mouzhik wrote:

What is wrong with the G9X II ?

missing another I

no viewfinder, no tilt screen, no APS-C - then it's too small and too pricey

What is your shirt pocketable aps-c zoom lens camera recommendation then?

Unless this is irony which I suppose the smiley face shows. It is so difficult to read what the underlying message of these text posts is. There are probably a number of people on these forums who think that an aps-c sensor can be slotted in to these cameras everything else being unchanged. Look at any bridge review on these sites.

the menu .. oh my

3x zoom is lousy too

I'm still struggling with doing 4K

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Sigh. There are genuine reasons why Canon would probably sell more units if they launched a G9 X III, but judging solely by # of reviews at major e-tailers, the G9 X II sold quite poorly to the G7 X, so Canon will have needed to work miracles for a worthwhile G9 X III.

Or it'll be like the G9 X  -> G9 X II, with mostly cosmetic & background upgrades.

A market already exists for the G9 X. It's smallest prosumer zoom cameras with a 1" sensor. Everything else in this segment (including Sony's entire RX100 lineup) are not pocketable for the younger crowd. 30 mm is far more pocketable than 40 mm, but seemingly the market for prosumer+truly-pocketable has been slaughtered by high-end phones.

Today (and for the past few weeks/months?) on Canon's official store, the G9 X II is at a steep 17% discount. Corporations don't do factory store discounts to products that are selling well: either the market has changed significantly since the 2017 launch and the G9 X II can't sell at its original prince or there's stock to be cleared out for new segmentation (so either the G9 X line is cancelled or the G9 X III).

To be clear, this is a market-wide change: the 17% discount is also reflected at major e-tailers: Amazon, B&H, Adorama, Best Buy, etc. are all selling at the new $399 price as of 12/27/19.

There are easy upgrades and hard upgrades that would make a possible G9 X III sell better to the crowd it's ostensibly marketed at:

• DIGIC 8 (before you comment...the R&D for DIGIC 8 has been paid, times over)
• Wider-than-28mm on the front-end (likely via sacrificing some zoom)
• A contoured grip
• Longer battery life: efficiency in the display, processor, or better batteries
• Hard: a tilting screen
• Hard: anything beyond 1080p60 (you'll need a dash of luck for 4K video, like the SX740 got)
• Hard: a wider aperture at telephoto (in body & price this small...it seems impossible)

EVF, APS-C zoom, etc. just cannot fit in this body or its price. Canon does add a few mm in its generational upgrades, but even that won't be enough for those. Maybe enough for a tilting screen.

But, again, the G9 X II has far, far fewer reviews than its G7 cousin on every retailer I've looked at. Either Canon can work wonders in 30mm to make a G9 X III sell far better or 40mm is now the new minimum for prosumer zoom cameras beyond 1/2.3".

Then again, Canon still updated the G5 X, which seems to have even fewer sales than the G9 X!

I Bought a G9X II in 2017 when it was released and used it extensively. I think it’s an almost perfect camera (if you look at price, size and weight). I especially like how well thought out the user interface is .

The only thing I really hate about it is sloooooow autofocus in video. It almost takes for ever to focus. So sometimes when you shoot video, the first few seconds are not in focus or focus is never achieved at all (especially when you are moving or when you are filming moving subjects)

As for the G9X III I don’t expect much of it. If they will release a G9 X III they will probably release it when they run out of Digic 7 processors and the improvements will be the standard Digic 8 improvements: higher fps in continues modes, 4k video, vertical video and a usb-c connector.

I never use continues mode, the video can be 4k but if the focus isn’t good…. And I always use USB charging but if Canon puts in a USB-C socket then a PD-charger is probably required which doesn’t add to the user experience in my opinion.

But I hope I’m wrong.

MichielBd wrote:

I Bought a G9X II in 2017 when it was released and used it extensively. I think it’s an almost perfect camera (if you look at price, size and weight). I especially like how well thought out the user interface is .

The only thing I really hate about it is sloooooow autofocus in video. It almost takes for ever to focus. So sometimes when you shoot video, the first few seconds are not in focus or focus is never achieved at all (especially when you are moving or when you are filming moving subjects)

Interesting what will happen when Canon get hold of a Sony PDAF sensor. They have not invested much effort over the years in to contrast detect so how they will cope with embedded PDAF when all their expertise is in dual pixel is a mystery. Problems like banding and heaven knows what else will need to be addressed.

Difficult to know how Canon can continue in compacts or what they can bring to new models if they are unable to get their own competitive dual pixel 1" sensor.

I bought the G5X Mk I for its particular merits knowing the focusing was the weak point but the rudimentary focusing modes in Canon compacts must come as a shock to many people nowadays.

As for the G9X III I don’t expect much of it. If they will release a G9 X III they will probably release it when they run out of Digic 7 processors and the improvements will be the standard Digic 8 improvements: higher fps in continues modes, 4k video, vertical video and a usb-c connector.

I never use continues mode, the video can be 4k but if the focus isn’t good…. And I always use USB charging but if Canon puts in a USB-C socket then a PD-charger is probably required which doesn’t add to the user experience in my opinion.

But I hope I’m wrong.

AllFlawed wrote:

MichielBd wrote:

I Bought a G9X II in 2017 when it was released and used it extensively. I think it’s an almost perfect camera (if you look at price, size and weight). I especially like how well thought out the user interface is .

The only thing I really hate about it is sloooooow autofocus in video. It almost takes for ever to focus. So sometimes when you shoot video, the first few seconds are not in focus or focus is never achieved at all (especially when you are moving or when you are filming moving subjects)

Interesting what will happen when Canon get hold of a Sony PDAF sensor. They have not invested much effort over the years in to contrast detect so how they will cope with embedded PDAF when all their expertise is in dual pixel is a mystery. Problems like banding and heaven knows what else will need to be addressed.

Difficult to know how Canon can continue in compacts or what they can bring to new models if they are unable to get their own competitive dual pixel 1" sensor.

I bought the G5X Mk I for its particular merits knowing the focusing was the weak point but the rudimentary focusing modes in Canon compacts must come as a shock to many people nowadays.

In a threat that you started a few weeks ago about PDAF I told you that Canon already have a 1 inch sensor (ok, it only 13,4 Mp) with dual pixel AF in the Canon XA50 video camera so I don’t think they will go for PDAF. But if they do, they probably already have the know how, how to make PDAF work (being the big company that they are) .

I think that not including PDAF or Dual pixel AF into the Power shot range is a well-considered choice of Canon. (If someone of the canon marketing department is listening please correct me if I’m wrong)

But I’m not complaining about the focus speed while photographing because for what I do it’s usually fast enough. I’m complaining about the focus speed during video. It’s slower than any other contrast detect only camera I have ever used. So for some reason Canon chose to make it slow. I don’t think it has anything to do with the AF-system.

The G7X III and the G5X II had the same problem witch Canon (partially) fixed with a firmware update.

As for the G9X III I don’t expect much of it. If they will release a G9 X III they will probably release it when they run out of Digic 7 processors and the improvements will be the standard Digic 8 improvements: higher fps in continues modes, 4k video, vertical video and a usb-c connector.

I never use continues mode, the video can be 4k but if the focus isn’t good…. And I always use USB charging but if Canon puts in a USB-C socket then a PD-charger is probably required which doesn’t add to the user experience in my opinion.

But I hope I’m wrong.

MichielBd wrote:

AllFlawed wrote:

MichielBd wrote:

I Bought a G9X II in 2017 when it was released and used it extensively. I think it’s an almost perfect camera (if you look at price, size and weight). I especially like how well thought out the user interface is .

The only thing I really hate about it is sloooooow autofocus in video. It almost takes for ever to focus. So sometimes when you shoot video, the first few seconds are not in focus or focus is never achieved at all (especially when you are moving or when you are filming moving subjects)

Interesting what will happen when Canon get hold of a Sony PDAF sensor. They have not invested much effort over the years in to contrast detect so how they will cope with embedded PDAF when all their expertise is in dual pixel is a mystery. Problems like banding and heaven knows what else will need to be addressed.

Difficult to know how Canon can continue in compacts or what they can bring to new models if they are unable to get their own competitive dual pixel 1" sensor.

I bought the G5X Mk I for its particular merits knowing the focusing was the weak point but the rudimentary focusing modes in Canon compacts must come as a shock to many people nowadays.

In a threat that you started a few weeks ago about PDAF I told you that Canon already have a 1 inch sensor (ok, it only 13,4 Mp) with dual pixel AF in the Canon XA50 video camera so I don’t think they will go for PDAF.

i had a look at that but it is heavy stuff. I seem to recall there was a cheaper 1" video camera but it had a loupe which is not to my liking.

If they could get a compact video camera out with an EVF that would be interesting. 13.4 mp is fine.

But if they do, they probably already have the know how, how to make PDAF work (being the big company that they are) .

Well they have not really managed a competitive contrast detect big company that they are.

I think that not including PDAF or Dual pixel AF into the Power shot range is a well-considered choice of Canon. (If someone of the canon marketing department is listening please correct me if I’m wrong)

But I’m not complaining about the focus speed while photographing because for what I do it’s usually fast enough. I’m complaining about the focus speed during video. It’s slower than any other contrast detect only camera I have ever used. So for some reason Canon chose to make it slow. I don’t think it has anything to do with the AF-system.

Canon have just spent little time or money on their focusing outside of dual pixel. If they still sell the stuff no point in doing so. Point a Canon at anything but the most hard defined cumulus cloud in the sky and it will just not get focus which shows why video is a problem without a fixed reference to latch on to. With my Olympus and Panasonic kit no problem. Olympus used to be awful and the XZ-1 video was beyond awful to the point you had to admire it but Olympus have worked on it. Also the two small centre points or everything modes are rudimentary. Possibly the G5X II has improved on this but I doubt it.

The G7X III and the G5X II had the same problem witch Canon (partially) fixed with a firmware update.

As for the G9X III I don’t expect much of it. If they will release a G9 X III they will probably release it when they run out of Digic 7 processors and the improvements will be the standard Digic 8 improvements: higher fps in continues modes, 4k video, vertical video and a usb-c connector.

I never use continues mode, the video can be 4k but if the focus isn’t good…. And I always use USB charging but if Canon puts in a USB-C socket then a PD-charger is probably required which doesn’t add to the user experience in my opinion.

But I hope I’m wrong.

AllFlawed wrote:

MichielBd wrote:

AllFlawed wrote:

MichielBd wrote:

I Bought a G9X II in 2017 when it was released and used it extensively. I think it’s an almost perfect camera (if you look at price, size and weight). I especially like how well thought out the user interface is .

The only thing I really hate about it is sloooooow autofocus in video. It almost takes for ever to focus. So sometimes when you shoot video, the first few seconds are not in focus or focus is never achieved at all (especially when you are moving or when you are filming moving subjects)

Interesting what will happen when Canon get hold of a Sony PDAF sensor. They have not invested much effort over the years in to contrast detect so how they will cope with embedded PDAF when all their expertise is in dual pixel is a mystery. Problems like banding and heaven knows what else will need to be addressed.

Difficult to know how Canon can continue in compacts or what they can bring to new models if they are unable to get their own competitive dual pixel 1" sensor.

I bought the G5X Mk I for its particular merits knowing the focusing was the weak point but the rudimentary focusing modes in Canon compacts must come as a shock to many people nowadays.

In a threat that you started a few weeks ago about PDAF I told you that Canon already have a 1 inch sensor (ok, it only 13,4 Mp) with dual pixel AF in the Canon XA50 video camera so I don’t think they will go for PDAF.

i had a look at that but it is heavy stuff. I seem to recall there was a cheaper 1" video camera but it had a loupe which is not to my liking.

If they could get a compact video camera out with an EVF that would be interesting. 13.4 mp is fine.

I didn't suggest to you to  buy a video camera. I simply told that canon has a 1 inch sensor with dual pixel AF.

But if they do, they probably already have the know how, how to make PDAF work (being the big company that they are) .

Well they have not really managed a competitive contrast detect big company that they are.

It works just fine for me.

I think that not including PDAF or Dual pixel AF into the Power shot range is a well-considered choice of Canon. (If someone of the canon marketing department is listening please correct me if I’m wrong)

But I’m not complaining about the focus speed while photographing because for what I do it’s usually fast enough. I’m complaining about the focus speed during video. It’s slower than any other contrast detect only camera I have ever used. So for some reason Canon chose to make it slow. I don’t think it has anything to do with the AF-system.

Canon have just spent little time or money on their focusing outside of dual pixel. If they still sell the stuff no point in doing so. Point a Canon at anything but the most hard defined cumulus cloud in the sky and it will just not get focus which shows why video is a problem without a fixed reference to latch on to. With my Olympus and Panasonic kit no problem. Olympus used to be awful and the XZ-1 video was beyond awful to the point you had to admire it but Olympus have worked on it. Also the two small centre points or everything modes are rudimentary. Possibly the G5X II has improved on this but I doubt it.

I cannot recall ever having problems with focussing on clouds with Canon camera's. I would have made a few test shots for you if it wasn't a cloudless day today.

I simply don't  get your problem. You are obviously not satisfied with your Canon G3X but you do like your Panasonic and Olympus camera's. Then sell your G3X and use your Panasonic or Olympus instead. And if you like something more compact buy a Panasonic TZ200 or whatever it is called in your region.

I use to own  a Sony RX100 III but I did not like the jpegs it produced. So I sold it and bought a Canon instead.

The G7X III and the G5X II had the same problem witch Canon (partially) fixed with a firmware update.

As for the G9X III I don’t expect much of it. If they will release a G9 X III they will probably release it when they run out of Digic 7 processors and the improvements will be the standard Digic 8 improvements: higher fps in continues modes, 4k video, vertical video and a usb-c connector.

I never use continues mode, the video can be 4k but if the focus isn’t good…. And I always use USB charging but if Canon puts in a USB-C socket then a PD-charger is probably required which doesn’t add to the user experience in my opinion.

But I hope I’m wrong.

MichielBd wrote:

AllFlawed wrote:

MichielBd wrote:

AllFlawed wrote:

MichielBd wrote:

I Bought a G9X II in 2017 when it was released and used it extensively. I think it’s an almost perfect camera (if you look at price, size and weight). I especially like how well thought out the user interface is .

The only thing I really hate about it is sloooooow autofocus in video. It almost takes for ever to focus. So sometimes when you shoot video, the first few seconds are not in focus or focus is never achieved at all (especially when you are moving or when you are filming moving subjects)

Interesting what will happen when Canon get hold of a Sony PDAF sensor. They have not invested much effort over the years in to contrast detect so how they will cope with embedded PDAF when all their expertise is in dual pixel is a mystery. Problems like banding and heaven knows what else will need to be addressed.

Difficult to know how Canon can continue in compacts or what they can bring to new models if they are unable to get their own competitive dual pixel 1" sensor.

I bought the G5X Mk I for its particular merits knowing the focusing was the weak point but the rudimentary focusing modes in Canon compacts must come as a shock to many people nowadays.

In a threat that you started a few weeks ago about PDAF I told you that Canon already have a 1 inch sensor (ok, it only 13,4 Mp) with dual pixel AF in the Canon XA50 video camera so I don’t think they will go for PDAF.

i had a look at that but it is heavy stuff. I seem to recall there was a cheaper 1" video camera but it had a loupe which is not to my liking.

If they could get a compact video camera out with an EVF that would be interesting. 13.4 mp is fine.

I didn't suggest to you to buy a video camera. I simply told that canon has a 1 inch sensor with dual pixel AF.

And I had a look at it. I am always open to buying a video camera if it improves on a stills camera. That may be the route Canon takes in the future.

But if they do, they probably already have the know how, how to make PDAF work (being the big company that they are) .

Well they have not really managed a competitive contrast detect big company that they are.

It works just fine for me.

I think that not including PDAF or Dual pixel AF into the Power shot range is a well-considered choice of Canon. (If someone of the canon marketing department is listening please correct me if I’m wrong)

But I’m not complaining about the focus speed while photographing because for what I do it’s usually fast enough. I’m complaining about the focus speed during video. It’s slower than any other contrast detect only camera I have ever used. So for some reason Canon chose to make it slow. I don’t think it has anything to do with the AF-system.

Canon have just spent little time or money on their focusing outside of dual pixel. If they still sell the stuff no point in doing so. Point a Canon at anything but the most hard defined cumulus cloud in the sky and it will just not get focus which shows why video is a problem without a fixed reference to latch on to. With my Olympus and Panasonic kit no problem. Olympus used to be awful and the XZ-1 video was beyond awful to the point you had to admire it but Olympus have worked on it. Also the two small centre points or everything modes are rudimentary. Possibly the G5X II has improved on this but I doubt it.

I cannot recall ever having problems with focussing on clouds with Canon camera's. I would have made a few test shots for you if it wasn't a cloudless day today.

I simply don't get your problem. You are obviously not satisfied with your Canon G3X but you do like your Panasonic and Olympus camera's. Then sell your G3X and use your Panasonic or Olympus instead. And if you like something more compact buy a Panasonic TZ200 or whatever it is called in your region.

I did have a G3X and I sold it because of its limited focusing modes were not what I wanted for such a long zoom.

I have a G5X currently and just because I am critical of certain aspects of it performance does not mean I want to sell it or do not like it for its overall functionality. I do not get this idea if you use a camera you have to praise absolutely every aspect of what it does or sell it and with people getting upset and saying they don't get your problem if you do discuss these issues.

The focusing on your camera suits you so no more to be said. For myself the focusing on the G5X is OK but not up with the rest but everything else is fine.

I use to own a Sony RX100 III but I did not like the jpegs it produced. So I sold it and bought a Canon instead.

The G7X III and the G5X II had the same problem witch Canon (partially) fixed with a firmware update.

As for the G9X III I don’t expect much of it. If they will release a G9 X III they will probably release it when they run out of Digic 7 processors and the improvements will be the standard Digic 8 improvements: higher fps in continues modes, 4k video, vertical video and a usb-c connector.

I never use continues mode, the video can be 4k but if the focus isn’t good…. And I always use USB charging but if Canon puts in a USB-C socket then a PD-charger is probably required which doesn’t add to the user experience in my opinion.

But I hope I’m wrong.

Compact camera development in general is going in the wrong direction. I suspect that Canon's plan is to only update their best selling G models.

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