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“Through the frame”-a positive or a negative?

Started Dec 4, 2019 | Discussions
uuglypher
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“Through the frame”-a positive or a negative?

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Turbguy1
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Re: “Through the frame”-a positive or a negative?

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The upper image is quite effective (IMO). The pure color background is also effective in helping fuse the image.

There is a somewhat disturbing "alignment error" with the top tip of leaf (note the distance difference between the upper part of the frame and the leaf tip between views).

I do not object to elements projecting through the frame, as long as these elements do not intersect the the frame (the pure color background also assists with this). I find it enhances the realism.

"Similars" here (crossview):

https://www.flickr.com/photos/turbguy/8198153175/in/photostream/lightbox/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/turbguy/10433249724/in/photostream/lightbox/

The second image was obtained without using a traditional camera. Can you guess what I used??

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uuglypher
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Re: “Through the frame”-a positive or a negative?

Hi, Wayne,

Thanks for your comments.

Actually I did not find the “misalignment” you mentioned to be, in the slightest, distracting, certainly no more so than the  greater degree of inconsequential misalignment demonstrated in your image pair “holly in the snow” (link below: note difference in leaf-to-edge distances on both sides of the images). In fact, I found your “Holly in the Snow” to be a very attractive and easily viewed image pair.

As for your question re: the camera/cameras used to make the other image pair to which you linked...I haven’t a clue!

Best regards,

Dave

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Turbguy1
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Re: “Through the frame”-a positive or a negative?
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Do you mind pointing out the misaligment in "Holly in the Snow"? I cannot detect much. Here's some "proof" with parallel red horizontal lines:

...and here's yours:

Obvious difference. Can you not see it?

As for any horizontal displacements, that's the real essence of streophotography!  No horizontal disparity? No 3D!

The second image ("Floating") was done with a common flatbed scanner (with the top open), moving the leaf carefully sideways between scans.

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uuglypher
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Re: “Through the frame”-a positive or a negative?

C’mon, Wayne,

even up the spatial disparities at both sides, and you still have the requisite internal disparities with no reduction in  3D effect, but you’ll have eliminated the misalignments at both sides.

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Turbguy1
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I gave proof of the obvious vertical disparity in your example image, and also gave proof of the lack of vertical disparities in my example.

Vertical disparities are examples of mis-alignment (IMO). They are to be avoided. They can cause viewer eye-strain and detract from the "stereo effect". You noted that my example was "easy on the eyes"...no? Your example is easy, as well...except for one area I noted.

Horizontal disparities are required to produce stereopsis. These are not mis-alignments, but are the very basis of stereophotography. Disparities at the sides of my example have been adjusted with care and intent, to place the z-position of the frame at the level of the snow, with the Holly projecting "through the frame". I can place the frame in any z-position, WRT the internal elements. This placement is, to a degree, a matter of taste.

We may have to agree to disagree.

Can you adjust your example to remove that vertical disparity?

I can...but I produce a "window violation" at that spot...

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wim hoppenbrouwers
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I like TTW pictures!  Gretings  Wim

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uuglypher
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wim hoppenbrouwers wrote:

I like TTW pictures! Gretings Wim

Hi, Wim,

This example of TTF made me think of you!

Best regards,

Dave

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