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Ping

Pong

Interesting shots... was there some time between the two shots??? At first glance they seem to be taken a fraction of a second apart but closer inspection shows a bit more time has past... must have been a slow game of ping pong... love the bike in the background,,, flat tyres and chain broken.

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SteveS58 wrote:

Ping

Pong

Interesting shots... was there some time between the two shots??? At first glance they seem to be taken a fraction of a second apart but closer inspection shows a bit more time has past... must have been a slow game of ping pong... love the bike in the background,,, flat tyres and chain broken.

molly..

Hey Molly, we were waiting on opposite sides of the street for the light to change so we could each proceed.  Only a few seconds between shots.

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I don't care much for the racist title.

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Barry Duggan Photography wrote:

I don't care much for the racist title.

Please explain how you believe this is rascist?  I could have named this action and reaction.  The facial gestures were mother and daughter playing a "game".  Ping Pong is a game.  Frankly, I thought this was a sweet photo without any unintended undercurrents.

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SteveS58 wrote:

Barry Duggan Photography wrote:

I don't care much for the racist title.

Please explain how you believe this is rascist? I could have named this action and reaction. The facial gestures were mother and daughter playing a "game". Ping Pong is a game. Frankly, I thought this was a sweet photo without any unintended undercurrents.

Steve

Even if this was true, you should have the common sense to see how it might be interpreted. In every regard, this is for the bin!

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Barry Duggan Photography wrote:

SteveS58 wrote:

Barry Duggan Photography wrote:

I don't care much for the racist title.

Please explain how you believe this is rascist? I could have named this action and reaction. The facial gestures were mother and daughter playing a "game". Ping Pong is a game. Frankly, I thought this was a sweet photo without any unintended undercurrents.

Steve

Even if this was true, you should have the common sense to see how it might be interpreted. In every regard, this is for the bin!

You still haven't explained why you think my title is rascist.  I'm waiting for an explanation...

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MikePennPhoto
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I might have to agree with what barry is saying. The title, as many titles are here not relevant, corny, and can seem racist even when it's not the intention.

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I might have to agree with what barry is saying. The title, as many titles are here not relevant, corny, and can seem racist even when it's not the intention.

There is a tremendous difference between corny and rascist.  IMO, the title is relevant as I explained, that it represents action and reaction.  So what is racist Mke?

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SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

I might have to agree with what barry is saying. The title, as many titles are here not relevant, corny, and can seem racist even when it's not the intention.

There is a tremendous difference between corny and rascist. IMO, the title is relevant as I explained, that it represents action and reaction. So what is racist Mke?

I didn't say it was racist but it can be perceived that way.

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MikePennPhoto wrote:

SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

I might have to agree with what barry is saying. The title, as many titles are here not relevant, corny, and can seem racist even when it's not the intention.

There is a tremendous difference between corny and rascist. IMO, the title is relevant as I explained, that it represents action and reaction. So what is racist Mke?

I didn't say it was racist but it can be perceived that way.

I live in NYC, a mutlicultural world.  Walking around, I photograph many ethnicities.  That's what makes street photography here so vibrant.  It didn't even occur to me that I was photographing an Asian family so much as seeing a scenario that I identified with.  With all the photos I've posted here, to identify me as a racist is a grievous insult and a personal attack.

You photograph in a similar world as I do Mike.  Frankly, I"m kind of shocked that you have the perception that this might be construed as racist.  Street photography records what we see on the street.  I could probably pick apart 5 out of 10 street photos here and make a false case that they are somehow racist, in one way or another.  Someone who is that sensitive and an absolute adherent of political correctness IMO is best advised not be doing street photography.

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The name Ping Pong describes table tennis, a game that originated in England. It has nothing to do with people of Asian descent, although an ignorant person might think it sounds that way.

Saying the title is “racist” is idiotic, and Steve deserves an apology.

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SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

I might have to agree with what barry is saying. The title, as many titles are here not relevant, corny, and can seem racist even when it's not the intention.

There is a tremendous difference between corny and rascist. IMO, the title is relevant as I explained, that it represents action and reaction. So what is racist Mke?

I didn't say it was racist but it can be perceived that way.

I live in NYC, a mutlicultural world. Walking around, I photograph many ethnicities. That's what makes street photography here so vibrant. It didn't even occur to me that I was photographing an Asian family so much as seeing a scenario that I identified with. With all the photos I've posted here, to identify me as a racist is a grievous insult and a personal attack.

You photograph in a similar world as I do Mike. Frankly, I"m kind of shocked that you have the perception that this might be construed as racist. Street photography records what we see on the street. I could probably pick apart 5 out of 10 street photos here and make a false case that they are somehow racist, in one way or another. Someone who is that sensitive and an absolute adherent of political correctness IMO is best advised not be doing street photography.

Steve

The perception lies with the title that you assigned to it. If you can't see how someone would take that the wrong way I have nothing else to say you here. Even before the first comment was posted I thought to myself what the hell is with that title. Those two photos are a weak example of the title that took you too long to explain. I don't title my street photography to leave out the confusion, misperception and all the other crap that comes with insipid titles.

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Ok, color me 'tupid

Even if "ping pong" does convey an Asian connection, in exactly what way is that connection offensive???  Feel free to call me a honky cowboy all you like.

Serious question.

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KCook wrote:

Ok, color me 'tupid

Even if "ping pong" does convey an Asian connection, in exactly what way is that connection offensive??? Feel free to call me a honky cowboy all you like.

Serious question.

Urban Dictionary

ping pong1. a slang/racist term for what is referd to as an asian or an oriental person
 Perception that the kids were named Ping and Pong

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MikePennPhoto wrote:

SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

I might have to agree with what barry is saying. The title, as many titles are here not relevant, corny, and can seem racist even when it's not the intention.

There is a tremendous difference between corny and rascist. IMO, the title is relevant as I explained, that it represents action and reaction. So what is racist Mke?

I didn't say it was racist but it can be perceived that way.

I live in NYC, a mutlicultural world. Walking around, I photograph many ethnicities. That's what makes street photography here so vibrant. It didn't even occur to me that I was photographing an Asian family so much as seeing a scenario that I identified with. With all the photos I've posted here, to identify me as a racist is a grievous insult and a personal attack.

You photograph in a similar world as I do Mike. Frankly, I"m kind of shocked that you have the perception that this might be construed as racist. Street photography records what we see on the street. I could probably pick apart 5 out of 10 street photos here and make a false case that they are somehow racist, in one way or another. Someone who is that sensitive and an absolute adherent of political correctness IMO is best advised not be doing street photography.

Steve

The perception lies with the title that you assigned to it. If you can't see how someone would take that the wrong way I have nothing else to say you here. Even before the first comment was posted I thought to myself what the hell is with that title. Those two photos are a weak example of the title that took you too long to explain. I don't title my street photography to leave out the confusion, misperception and all the other crap that comes with insipid titles.

We agree to disagree.  To me, titling is part of the creative process, and there is an art to titling.  Others prefer not to use them.  If you follow my work, there's a playfulness and irony in some of my photos as I had hoped was suggested by the title.  Sorry this title didn't work for you.  Photography to some is all serious business.

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MikePennPhoto wrote:

KCook wrote:

Ok, color me 'tupid

Even if "ping pong" does convey an Asian connection, in exactly what way is that connection offensive??? Feel free to call me a honky cowboy all you like.

Serious question.

Urban Dictionary

ping pong1. a slang/racist term for what is referd to as an asian or an oriental person
Perception that the kids were named Ping and Pong

You must have dug pretty deep for that. Here's the top definition and what I came up with in urbandictionary:

ping pongThe greatest sport on the face of the EarthKen- "Did you hear Bill went on a cruise? Sounded like fun"

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SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

KCook wrote:

Ok, color me 'tupid

Even if "ping pong" does convey an Asian connection, in exactly what way is that connection offensive??? Feel free to call me a honky cowboy all you like.

Serious question.

Urban Dictionary

ping pong1. a slang/racist term for what is referd to as an asian or an oriental person
Perception that the kids were named Ping and Pong

You must have dug pretty deep for that. Here's the top definition and what I came up with in urbandictionary:

ping pongThe greatest sport on the face of the EarthKen- "Did you hear Bill went on a cruise? Sounded like fun"

I've heard it used that way on the street.

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Yes, I understand what ping pong is. I know its a sport, but it's also the most popular in China. Had there been a table tennis table in the photo then there would be no issue. Instead we have an Asian family standing there. I still have no idea as to where or why you chose this title.

I could go to give examples of other racist slurs used against Asians but I wont. What I do find baffling it the failure of most people here to comprehend how this title could be perceived to be racist.

For the record I'm not calling anyone a racist. At worst, the title is racist, at best, it was a poor judgement call from yourself.

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SteveS58 wrote:

MikePennPhoto wrote:

KCook wrote:

Ok, color me 'tupid

Even if "ping pong" does convey an Asian connection, in exactly what way is that connection offensive??? Feel free to call me a honky cowboy all you like.

Serious question.

Urban Dictionary

ping pong1. a slang/racist term for what is referd to as an asian or an oriental person
Perception that the kids were named Ping and Pong

You must have dug pretty deep for that. Here's the top definition and what I came up with in urbandictionary:

ping pongThe greatest sport on the face of the EarthKen- "Did you hear Bill went on a cruise? Sounded like fun"

Look at the 4th definition on  the urban dictionary site above, the one before the “racist” one. “A sexual act involving three people” (the rest is unprintable).

I assume your title was pornographic as well as racist?

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