DPReview.com is closing April 10th - Find out more

Regret buying EOS M50

Started Nov 22, 2019 | User reviews
Riyaz G New Member • Posts: 17
Regret buying EOS M50
1

Canon EOS M50, EF 50 1.8 STM @ iso100 1/2500s, f2.2

Regretting for selling old EOS 70D and buying M50. I thought M50 has Advance Digic8-24Mega pixcels will give better result than 70D which is Digic5-20MP. I was wrong.

Look at the dove-double edge, and leaves-chromatic abrasion - this is taken with EF50mm 1.8 STM , 1/2500s f2.2 iso100.

Visible noise in iso800 in indoor shooting.

Is there any thing wrong with the setting - in the camera which i have to look for?

Canon EOS M50 (EOS Kiss M)
24 megapixels • 3 screen • APS-C sensor
Announced: Feb 26, 2018
Riyaz G's score
2.0
Average community score
4.7
Canon EOS 70D Canon EOS M50 (EOS Kiss M)
If you believe there are incorrect tags, please send us this post using our feedback form.
Anthony Milton Regular Member • Posts: 271
Re: Regret buying EOS M50
3

The focus appears to have fixed on the electric wires , not the building. The very soft right hand part of the image, would appear to be due to the lens.

 Anthony Milton's gear list:Anthony Milton's gear list
Canon EOS M50 Canon EF 24mm f/2.8 Canon EF 300mm f/4.0L IS USM Canon EF 70-200mm F4L USM Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM +5 more
Markr041 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,078
Re: Regret buying EOS M50
12

Riyaz G wrote:

Canon EOS M50, EF 50 1.8 STM @ iso100 1/2500s, f2.2

Regretting for selling old EOS 70D and buying M50. I thought M50 has Advance Digic8-24Mega pixcels will give better result than 70D which is Digic5-20MP. I was wrong.

Look at the dove-double edge, and leaves-chromatic abrasion - this is taken with EF50mm 1.8 STM , 1/2500s f2.2 iso100.

Visible noise in iso800 in indoor shooting.

Is there any thing wrong with the setting - in the camera which i have to look for?

Chromatic "abrasion" (aberration?) is a lens property strictly, has nothing to do with the camera. The picture is misfocused (not the fault of the camera), and the double edge may be oversharpening - you can set the amount of sharpening in camera.

 Markr041's gear list:Markr041's gear list
Panasonic ZS100 Olympus TG-5 Canon EOS M Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH4 Nikon Z6 +5 more
Ali Senior Member • Posts: 1,969
Two star review based on one photo seems harsh (nt)
3

Riyaz G wrote:

Canon EOS M50, EF 50 1.8 STM @ iso100 1/2500s, f2.2

Regretting for selling old EOS 70D and buying M50. I thought M50 has Advance Digic8-24Mega pixcels will give better result than 70D which is Digic5-20MP. I was wrong.

Look at the dove-double edge, and leaves-chromatic abrasion - this is taken with EF50mm 1.8 STM , 1/2500s f2.2 iso100.

Visible noise in iso800 in indoor shooting.

Is there any thing wrong with the setting - in the camera which i have to look for?

 Ali's gear list:Ali's gear list
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX50V Olympus TG-5 Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS80 Canon EOS M6 II Canon EOS R5
Advi
Advi Regular Member • Posts: 456
Take another photo
6

This time, touch on the LCD to select where you want the camera to focus.

After the pic has been taken, you can config your camera to show where it has focused.

-- hide signature --

Bye

 Advi's gear list:Advi's gear list
Canon EOS M50 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM Canon EF-M 15-45mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM Canon EF-M 18-150mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM
danblondell
danblondell Forum Member • Posts: 78
Re: Regret buying EOS M50
1

If I'm not mistaken, the M50 sensor has only advantages compared to the 70D, so at least in terms of image quality the M50 would always have at least a small edge. If your complaints are in areas like ergonomics or the benefits of an optical viewfinder that's a different question.

 danblondell's gear list:danblondell's gear list
Canon EOS M100 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF 50mm F1.8 STM Kamlan 28mm F1.4
Dareshooter Veteran Member • Posts: 5,842
Re: Regret buying EOS M50
3

That's not  normal for an M50  so either you've messed up or you've got a lemon.

danblondell
danblondell Forum Member • Posts: 78
Re: Regret buying EOS M50

This seems like either getting used to the M50 so you're taking photos as well or a lemon body. Because there's literally no explanation for why a good M50 would take worse photos.

 danblondell's gear list:danblondell's gear list
Canon EOS M100 Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Canon EF 50mm F1.8 STM Kamlan 28mm F1.4
OP Riyaz G New Member • Posts: 17
Re: Regret buying EOS M50

Yes I agree chromatic abrasion is by lens.

I compared old photos taken by 70D with same lens EF50-1.8STM - for the noise and abrasion, 70D was far better.

No editing was done. Since Raw image more than 20mp was not accepted by dpreview, I converted and saved to jpg by DPP of Canon. no editing done. standard picture style shot. I feel the sensor is inferior to 70D for this beginner level camera. Digic8 is only a processor.

Some of reviews I came across mentioned that image quality of M50 and 80D are same. How far it is true?

I use the came for photograph, not for video. I've gone through reviews of this camera. but I can compare with What I had. So two stars.

Sure I will try few more tests, I tried indoor with EF70-200 F4 IS - with built in flash, didn't get satisfying results, again compared to the 70D.

davev8
davev8 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,833
Re: Regret buying EOS M50

Riyaz G wrote:

Yes I agree chromatic abrasion is by lens.

I compared old photos taken by 70D with same lens EF50-1.8STM - for the noise and abrasion, 70D was far better.

No editing was done. Since Raw image more than 20mp was not accepted by dpreview, I converted and saved to jpg by DPP of Canon. no editing done. standard picture style shot. I feel the sensor is inferior to 70D for this beginner level camera. Digic8 is only a processor.

Some of reviews I came across mentioned that image quality of M50 and 80D are same. How far it is true?

the M50 and 80D has the same sensor ....the M50 /80D sensor was a big improvement over older sensors like your 70D manely with dynamic range .. noise was also improved a little.. it was canons 1st chip with an onboard digital to analog converter .

..do you use auto settings ?..is the M50 choosing different setting to your 70D?...is the metering different to the70D and are you having to brighten up the photos in post ?

I use the came for photograph, not for video. I've gone through reviews of this camera. but I can compare with What I had. So two stars.

Sure I will try few more tests, I tried indoor with EF70-200 F4 IS - with built in flash, didn't get satisfying results, again compared to the 70D.

i guess the flash on the M50 is not as powerful as the 70D ...but i would say that neither are powerful enough for a 70-200 zoom

.

.

-- hide signature --

Attention Dislexsic i mean dyslexic person... This post will have many although spell checked, spelling and grammatical errs ..its The best its going get so no need to tell me its bad i know it is .....................................................................................................
My 5D IS a MK1 classic
..........................................................................................................
There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
...........................................................................................................
Political correctness....somebody being offended on someone else's behalf....who that someone doesn't give a damn in the first place ....David Appleton.
.....................................................................................................
If you wait for a camera that will tick all your boxes ....by then you will have more boxes to tick..... so the wait continues .....David Appleton
..................................................................................................
quoting irrefutable facts may get you branded a racist ..even if no race is involved .......David Appleton
.....................................................................................................

 davev8's gear list:davev8's gear list
Canon EOS 5D Canon EOS R6 Canon EF 50mm F1.4 USM +5 more
mangurian Senior Member • Posts: 1,187
Re: Regret buying EOS M50

open the raw with DPP and ask to see the focal points used.  That will settle the focused/not focused correctly.

OP Riyaz G New Member • Posts: 17
Re: Regret buying EOS M50
1

Improved shot

picture style : nutral (old:standard + additional sharpness & contrast)

now IS: off

1/160s old 1/2500

same iso, same 50mm f1.8 lens

I feel IS on / additional sharpness in the picture style are the main issues for the problematic shot. but on 1/2500s ? double edges? (in previous image)

I see color noise/chrominance noise ( red/green patches while preview 100% and above) in skin and plain background wall - can be eliminated in post process color noise.

for 70D images' post process I dodn't touch color noise, adjust only luminance noise if required. Skin texture, veins in the eyes etc found better in 70D, with same 50-1.8lens.

Thanks to all for suggestions.

Ben Herrmann
Ben Herrmann Forum Pro • Posts: 21,163
Sigh...here we go again...
15

...and it must be restated that:

"How is that some folks can take a camera (any camera for that matter) - and in this particular case, the M50 - and wind up capturing superb results?  And on the other hand, how is it that for some others, they look at the same camera and wind up with horrible results  Is it the camera, or is it the user?  I venture to say, that in most cases, it's the user."

Enough said...

 Ben Herrmann's gear list:Ben Herrmann's gear list
Canon EOS M Fujifilm X-E2S Fujifilm X-T2 Fujifilm X-T20 Canon EOS M6 +4 more
jalywol
jalywol Forum Pro • Posts: 12,296
Re: Sigh...here we go again...
5

Ben Herrmann wrote:

...and it must be restated that:

"How is that some folks can take a camera (any camera for that matter) - and in this particular case, the M50 - and wind up capturing superb results? And on the other hand, how is it that for some others, they look at the same camera and wind up with horrible results Is it the camera, or is it the user? I venture to say, that in most cases, it's the user."

Enough said...

Over on the M43 boards, there is one user who had bought an expensive telephoto lens. He could not coax a decent photo out of it. He returned it as defective, and ended up replacing it several times. He still could not get a good shot out of it, and proclaimed loudly and frequently that it was an overpriced, heavy, poorly made, piece of garbage, and that the lower priced, consumer grade long zoom (with less reach), was a better product. He then posted photos from that lens, which were terrible also, but which he seemed to think were superior to the shots from the longer, more expensive, lens (they weren't).

No matter how much those of us with that lens (who had gotten great results with it, and posted examples, and along with those examples, hints and tips about using it to get those results) tried, we could not make a dent in either how he used the lens or his attitude.

User error.....And I had a good laugh AT MYSELF when I came across my own personal version of it: Early reviewers noted that Panasonic's GX8 seemed to have significant shutter shock at certain speeds when not using the electronic shutter. So, everyone went into a panic about that. I even did not buy the camera initially because of that....

However, some months after it came out, I decided to take a chance on it, and figured I could use the e-shutter for pretty much everything I needed. Still, once I got the camera, I did a few test shots with the regular shutter, and thought it might have some SS...but it was a halfhearted effort on my part.

Well, a few months later, I was shooting with a long lens, and needed to use the regular shutter. Surprise, surprise! There was BLUR! OMG! Shutter shock!!! AGHHH! Then I took a look at the EXIF info....and it turned out that there was no way that blur was from SS, as the shutter speeds were quite far out of SS range...what it was was POOR HOLDING TECHNIQUE on my part. OH. Yeah. Long lens, technique matters, oops.

I did some tests after that, and guess what? What I was seeing was NOT shutter shock, but was a result of how I was handling the lens, as both the regular shutter AND the e-shutter had exactly the same amount and type of blur under the same conditions (ergo no SS as cause....).

Moral of the story: It's really easy to blame the gear first, and the user second, when it really should be the other way around....

-J

quiquae Senior Member • Posts: 2,265
Re: Regret buying EOS M50

Riyaz G wrote:

picture style : nutral (old:standard + additional sharpness & contrast)

now IS: off

1/160s old 1/2500

same iso, same 50mm f1.8 lens

I feel IS on / additional sharpness in the picture style are the main issues for the problematic shot. but on 1/2500s ? double edges? (in previous image)

When you say “IS on,” you’re probably looking at one of two things:

1) There’s a setting that turns IS on or off on stabilized lenses that lack a hardware switch on the lens barrel (all stabilized EF lenses have one, while no EF-M lenses does). The lens you’re using does not have IS at all, so that setting is affecting precisely nothing.

2) There’s also a setting for “digital IS,” an on-sensor software based IS that kicks in when shooting video even if you’re using an unstabilized lens. However, since you’re shooting stills, that setting is again affecting precisely nothing.

tl;dr: whatever your problem is, it isn’t the IS setting.

 quiquae's gear list:quiquae's gear list
Canon EOS R5 Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM Canon EF 70-200mm F4L IS USM Canon EF 16-35mm F4L IS USM Canon EF 100-400mm F4.5-5.6L IS II +6 more
Max Iso
Max Iso Veteran Member • Posts: 8,652
Re: Regret buying EOS M50

Riyaz G wrote:

Canon EOS M50, EF 50 1.8 STM @ iso100 1/2500s, f2.2

Regretting for selling old EOS 70D and buying M50. I thought M50 has Advance Digic8-24Mega pixcels will give better result than 70D which is Digic5-20MP. I was wrong.

Look at the dove-double edge, and leaves-chromatic abrasion - this is taken with EF50mm 1.8 STM , 1/2500s f2.2 iso100.

Visible noise in iso800 in indoor shooting.

Is there any thing wrong with the setting - in the camera which i have to look for?

Im no master of the M50 so take it with some salt. I find it's ISO performance isn't mind blowing, i don't think this was meant to be a world beater in SNR. But the DR is better than it has been before (i owned a 70D and have raws still, the M50 has better DR), and it has 4mp more.

I don't find anything wrong with the sensor or processing, your focus is off though. The noise isn't the greatest but the M50 is capable of as much detail as any other 24mp apsc body, which is really about the lenses and how accurate the focus is. And CA isn't a fault of the sensor, it's 100% an attribute of the lens.

Check your AF settings, the lines of the building at the bottom are fairly sharp at 100%, the focus point looks to be somewhere behind the trees and in front of the building, a light year from that bird on the roof.

-- hide signature --

"Burning, burning, faster, faster are your revolutionists,
If I could collapse the masses,
We'd be free to grow our wings" -

 Max Iso's gear list:Max Iso's gear list
Nikon D300 Olympus E-M1 II Canon EOS M50 Canon EF 100mm f/2.0 USM Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4-5.6 R +8 more
Abu Mahendra Veteran Member • Posts: 5,312
Re: Regret buying EOS M50
2

'chromatic abrasion' - that says it all.

-- hide signature --

>> I'm already lovin' my Canon 35IS lens! <<

 Abu Mahendra's gear list:Abu Mahendra's gear list
Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM Canon EF 70-200mm F2.8L IS II USM Canon EF 70-200mm F4L IS USM Canon EF 24-70mm F2.8L II USM Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM +5 more
OP Riyaz G New Member • Posts: 17
DXOMARK Sensor Scores for EOS M50

I couldn't find DXOMARK Sensor Scores for EOS M50. Is this not applicable for this Camera?

I could See M100, M5, M6 dxo scores etc in dxomark.com

davev8
davev8 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,833
Re: DXOMARK Sensor Scores for EOS M50

Riyaz G wrote:

I couldn't find DXOMARK Sensor Scores for EOS M50. Is this not applicable for this Camera?

I could See M100, M5, M6 dxo scores etc in dxomark.com

same sensor so any will be close enough

-- hide signature --

Attention Dislexsic i mean dyslexic person... This post will have many although spell checked, spelling and grammatical errs ..its The best its going get so no need to tell me its bad i know it is .....................................................................................................
My 5D IS a MK1 classic
..........................................................................................................
There is no argument for FF vs APS-c (or m43) with shallow DOF..as it's a law of physics and a very subjective personal thing if you want to make use of the shallow DOF only FF can offer
...........................................................................................................
Political correctness....somebody being offended on someone else's behalf....who that someone doesn't give a damn in the first place ....David Appleton.
.....................................................................................................
If you wait for a camera that will  tick all your boxes ....by then you will have more boxes to tick..... so the wait continues .....David Appleton
..................................................................................................
quoting irrefutable facts may get you branded a racist ..even if no race is involved .......David Appleton
.....................................................................................................

 davev8's gear list:davev8's gear list
Canon EOS 5D Canon EOS R6 Canon EF 50mm F1.4 USM +5 more
Anthony Milton Regular Member • Posts: 271
Re: Regret buying EOS M50

Just compared the original EF 50mm f1.8 lens on my old 70D with my new M50 using the Canon EF-M adaptor.

Pixel peeping using DPP Preview at 400%, at f1.8 ISO 100 the M50 image was sharper than the 70D, at ISO 200 and 400 the image on the M50 was also sharper, at ISO 800 both images were beginning to disintegrate, but the 70D to a greater extent, at ISO 1600, the 70D was quite extreme, the M50 still usable. At high ISO one would expect the M50 to outperform the 70D, however, in just one experiment, the M50 would apprear to be the better of the two throughout.

 Anthony Milton's gear list:Anthony Milton's gear list
Canon EOS M50 Canon EF 24mm f/2.8 Canon EF 300mm f/4.0L IS USM Canon EF 70-200mm F4L USM Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM +5 more
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads