E-PL10 sneaks into the European and UK market...

R Liewenberger wrote:

Photo Pete wrote:

Yes. I’m in the UK and received the Russian newsletter too.

Maybe Olympus camera division has been sold to Zenit!

Fond memories there. My Zenit E had so many features.... It had a mode for knocking in nails, a mode for fighting off muggers

Hmm! Come to think of it, at Photokina 2018 Zenit did actually announce they were going to start making cameras again in 2019.

It all makes sense now!

Or, who knows, maybe the sender of this newsletter was a little confused and thought UK stands for Ukraine (what is actually UA)? Mine came in German language, what looks quite familiar to me.

Liewenberger

They sent it out in English an hour or two later, but your amusing suggestion does actually sound a likely explanation too.   I read on another site just now that the E-PL10 will be sold in the UK only via the Oly Online Shop with the E-PL9 continuing at retailers.

gary0319 wrote:

Guy Parsons wrote:

..... And yes, I use it mostly in P mode as opposed to A mode with M4/3 gear.

Interesting, that you use mostly P mode. My shove-in-jacket-pocket Camera is the Lumix LX100 and although I really like the external manual controls for shutter, aperture,, and exposure compensation, P mode most often gets the nod...... and gets great results.

With 1" sensor and smaller, plus with lenses with small apertures, it's hardly worth thinking about depth of field issues so P mode works. Plus of course there's always the occasional program shift if I think that I know better than the camera.

With M4/3 for me it's nearly always A mode and using apertures that are best compromise between sweet spot and depth of field. My default MySet for good light and with usually the 12-40/2.8 and now as well with 8-18/2.8-4 uses f/5.6 and that seems good for most things that I do. Occasional aperture changes of course, but the grab out of the bag defaults in my MySet work fine.

Regards..... Guy

Helen wrote:

To recap, the E-PL10 is an E-PL9 with an all-black (well, graphite over black leatherette) version as well as the silver over white and silver over light brown versions shared with the E-PL9 (no silver over navy blue for this one) but more importantly, its main claim to fame is that silent shutter is restored as an option for PASM modes, instead of only being available in its own cut-down, program-only mode at the AP position (that still remains too I believe). No return of the Accessory Port for EVF though. I seem to recall that there was some tiny other difference, but it escapes me. Wouldn't it be nice if they graced the E-M10 Mark III with the proper silent shutter in a firmware upgrade (they did give it back wireless flash control when the E-PL9 launched with it, after all)? Whether they do it is another question of course as I suppose it could divert a few sales from the E-M5 Mark III.

I would have already bought an E-M10III a long time ago if the silent electronic shutter was in PASM like it is in the E-M10II.  Also, the E-M10II has 4 MySets that can be programmed to the mode dial.  I think I read somewhere that Olympus also removed that from the E-M10III.  I use both of these features all the time with my E-M10II and PEN-F.  These are strictly firmware features, no extra or different hardware required.  It is incomprehensible why Olympus would remove good, useful firmware features that we use.

The E-M5III has followed this same path of removing firmware features.  You can only put one MySet/Custom setting on the mode dial.  That is just a firmware restriction.  I wanted to buy the E-M5III also, but there is a good chance I won't because of this unless a firmware update comes out that restores it.

The E-M5III has 20mp, PDAF, weather-sealing, etc. so I don't think these small firmware restrictions are attempts to differentiate it from the E-M10III.

Henry Richardson wrote:

I would have already bought an E-M10III a long time ago if the silent electronic shutter was in PASM like it is in the E-M10II.

Sad mistake to do that to the camera.

Also, the E-M10II has 4 MySets that can be programmed to the mode dial.

That brings up the point that those 4 MySets assigned to the Mode dial is the main  reason that I bought the E-PL5, the first time I've bought a body early in its life cycle at full price. Then later the E-P5 dropped to below E-PL5 price so I got that to continue the MySet habit with a better performing camera.

I think I read somewhere that Olympus also removed that from the E-M10III.

Yes, gone, all gone, no MySets, no Custom Modes, totally crippled as far as I see it.

I use both of these features all the time with my E-M10II and PEN-F. These are strictly firmware features, no extra or different hardware required. It is incomprehensible why Olympus would remove good, useful firmware features that we use.

I suspect it was all because of those pathetic youtube "reviewers" who like to complain that the menus are too complicated. Well, simply learn to use them and they are easy. Once the MySets are in place then it's rare to menu dive anyway.

The E-M5III has followed this same path of removing firmware features. You can only put one MySet/Custom setting on the mode dial.

C1 is immediately available and C1-2 and C1-3 (or are they C2 and C3?) are lurking, but it is a cumbersome menu dive to get them on the C dial spot.

That is just a firmware restriction. I wanted to buy the E-M5III also, but there is a good chance I won't because of this unless a firmware update comes out that restores it.

Some "no" reasons for me. The lack of 4 MySets assigned to Mode dial plus the fact I only use the screen so the EVF is not needed and the screen for me needs to be a tilt screen and not a fold out sideways screen to get the better angle to avoid reflections.

The E-M5III has 20mp, PDAF, weather-sealing, etc. so I don't think these small firmware restrictions are attempts to differentiate it from the E-M10III.

Maybe the E-M10 line is doomed, and the E-M5 line becomes the base, plus the E-M1 line the fancy one, with the E-M1x being a one-off weird experiment, much like the Pen-F experiment.  The Pen line is gone apart from the E-PLx line may live on in Japan/Asia long term because it is popular there.

So any hopes of getting back the extremely useful MySets assigned to anywhere on the mode dial are long gone. I will have to nurse my E-P5 pair forever and remember how good things once were.

Regards........ Guy