GR III user report

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athensGA Regular Member • Posts: 397
GR III user report
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We develop emotional attachments to our gear don't we?

I used a GR1 film camera until it gave up the ghost. I ran a GR (16.2) into the ground.

So with the release of the III, the big question for me was whether to get the III or another I/II.

I was intrigued by the new lens/sensor combo so i went with the III.

The good:

1. Yes that lens is sharp

2. Yes that sensor is a (slight) improvement, and the IQ very competitive.

3. Ibis skeptic won over. 1/2 sec shutter speed in dark areas works great for certain shots. It's a high reward creative challenge.

4. Slightly smaller form factor and improved UI definite winners.

5. Same old pocketable whiz kid. GReat for hiking, cycling, parties, nights on the town, walking your dog around the neighborhood, putting in the seat pocket of your jeep etc. Truly go-anywhere.

6. Touchscreen worked really really great. I've gotten used to the joystick on my x100f but the touchscreen is a credible alternative to focus selection.

7. super sharp super close macro shots to die for.

8. no problems with dust, wobbly scrolls, loose trim rings

The bad:

1. I do miss the flash.You never need it until you need it.

2. Positive film looked better from ver I

3. Touchscreen a teensy bit difficult to see in bright sun but not as bad as i was expecting.

4. Screen composition is ok but when it gets down to brass tacks a viewfinder is still preferred on many occasions. Ricoh REALLY needs either a keyhole ovf (á la GR1) or an accessory evf. It's something else to sell guys!! come on!!

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

Somebody's blog said 'it's because all the lens elements move together'. Total BS. if that were the case then daytime focus would be slow too.

I would keep it just because it's the PERFECT hiking/biking camera. Really. (even though my original wide adapter doesn't work and i'd have to buy another). But as I said earlier gear is an emotional thing and right now I'm P!SSED. Just p!ssed off at how pentax coulda screwed this up so bad when every damn body else can get basic autofocus right.

I'm gonna sell it and get another ver I. those are frequently going for less than $400 - and my GW will still work. I would not recommend this camera over the I/II or to anybody wanting a small do-a-lot camera to replace their iphone.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

Fujifilm X100F Ricoh GR III
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breth Regular Member • Posts: 293
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athensGA wrote:

8. no problems with dust, wobbly scrolls, loose trim rings

Yet. 

sait Forum Member • Posts: 92
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May I ask which focus mode were you in when you were having focusing problems -
i.e. single point, centre position with close-up focusing disabled, or some of the other modes

Thanks

ashenwreck
ashenwreck Regular Member • Posts: 100
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Is focusing worse on the III in comparison to the I or is it more just (justifiable) outrage it doesn't stack up with other modern cameras? Seems like every small body sized/large sensor has struggled mightily with this.

I keep toying with the idea of getting this at some point. My GR II's grip is in poor shape and is taped down, has a minor couple dust spots which only go noticed every great while, yet I'm just not completely sold on the idea of getting III yet. A price reduction might help, I suppose.

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solarider Veteran Member • Posts: 4,800
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I appreciate your feedback. Lovefest reviews not needed imo.  Thanks.

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JL Auch Regular Member • Posts: 202
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Refreshing to read an honest report.

I too cannot believe the AF, lack of flash, and it's a mystery why the didn't include a selfie/tilt screen.

OP athensGA Regular Member • Posts: 397
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sait wrote:

May I ask which focus mode were you in when you were having focusing problems -
i.e. single point, centre position with close-up focusing disabled, or some of the other modes

Thanks

single point with about a 6mm square

As an addendum to my post

Good:

1. Hi iso performance. Definitely up to par with competition.

Bad:

1. Battery life. Yes it's short. But at least there's a simple work around for this. I'm used to lugging spares with pretty much every camera i own/use.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

OP athensGA Regular Member • Posts: 397
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ashenwreck wrote:

Is focusing worse on the III in comparison to the I or is it more just (justifiable) outrage it doesn't stack up with other modern cameras? Seems like every small body sized/large sensor has struggled mightily with this.

I keep toying with the idea of getting this at some point. My GR II's grip is in poor shape and is taped down, has a minor couple dust spots which only go noticed every great while, yet I'm just not completely sold on the idea of getting III yet. A price reduction might help, I suppose.

In good light it's a bit snappier than my v1 was. In darker conditions it is more frustrating.

I guess I'm going through the classic stages of grieving. Seriously. Today I'm just sad. This camera could be brilliant. It could be stellar. It could be an all-timer. But the low light autofocus performance renders it an unacceptable tool (for me).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

maltmoose Senior Member • Posts: 1,629
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athensGA wrote:

ashenwreck wrote:

Is focusing worse on the III in comparison to the I or is it more just (justifiable) outrage it doesn't stack up with other modern cameras? Seems like every small body sized/large sensor has struggled mightily with this.

I keep toying with the idea of getting this at some point. My GR II's grip is in poor shape and is taped down, has a minor couple dust spots which only go noticed every great while, yet I'm just not completely sold on the idea of getting III yet. A price reduction might help, I suppose.

In good light it's a bit snappier than my v1 was. In darker conditions it is more frustrating.

I guess I'm going through the classic stages of grieving. Seriously. Today I'm just sad. This camera could be brilliant. It could be stellar. It could be an all-timer. But the low light autofocus performance renders it an unacceptable tool (for me).

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

The low light af on GRiii is slow and not upto modern camera standards but I think it's a little better than the GR. I had that camera for a few years, great camera but essentially the same poor low light AF in them both.

I can take the same photos as I do with sony and fuji just not as fast.

I much prefer the improvements on the griii though.

TN Args
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athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

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Russell Dawkins Regular Member • Posts: 298
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...This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful...

...I'm gonna sell it and get another ver I. those are frequently going for less than $400 - and my GW will still work. I would not recommend this camera over the I/II or to anybody wanting a small do-a-lot camera to replace their iphone.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

I'll buy your GR III for what you paid for it and even sell you my GR I for $300. It has 15,800 shutter actuations and two small hairs and a small spot on the sensor, but it has performed flawlessly.

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cali92rs Regular Member • Posts: 346
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TN Args wrote:

athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

I.e. if your subject happens to be at a predetermined distance.

"Hey guys, make sure you stay at 1.5 meters so you can be in focus...thanks!"

TN Args
TN Args Veteran Member • Posts: 8,682
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cali92rs wrote:

TN Args wrote:

athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

I.e. if your subject happens to be at a predetermined distance.

"Hey guys, make sure you stay at 1.5 meters so you can be in focus...thanks!"

If you knew a bit about lenses and focusing, you would know how good snap focus is, and how wrong is your comment.

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solarider Veteran Member • Posts: 4,800
Re: GR III user report -- Gee, thanks loads...
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athensGA wrote:

We develop emotional attachments to our gear don't we?

I used a GR1 film camera until it gave up the ghost. I ran a GR (16.2) into the ground.

So with the release of the III, the big question for me was whether to get the III or another I/II.

I was intrigued by the new lens/sensor combo so i went with the III.

The good:

1. Yes that lens is sharp

2. Yes that sensor is a (slight) improvement, and the IQ very competitive.

3. Ibis skeptic won over. 1/2 sec shutter speed in dark areas works great for certain shots. It's a high reward creative challenge.

4. Slightly smaller form factor and improved UI definite winners.

5. Same old pocketable whiz kid. GReat for hiking, cycling, parties, nights on the town, walking your dog around the neighborhood, putting in the seat pocket of your jeep etc. Truly go-anywhere.

6. Touchscreen worked really really great. I've gotten used to the joystick on my x100f but the touchscreen is a credible alternative to focus selection.

7. super sharp super close macro shots to die for.

8. no problems with dust, wobbly scrolls, loose trim rings

The bad:

1. I do miss the flash.You never need it until you need it.

2. Positive film looked better from ver I

3. Touchscreen a teensy bit difficult to see in bright sun but not as bad as i was expecting.

4. Screen composition is ok but when it gets down to brass tacks a viewfinder is still preferred on many occasions. Ricoh REALLY needs either a keyhole ovf (á la GR1) or an accessory evf. It's something else to sell guys!! come on!!

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

Somebody's blog said 'it's because all the lens elements move together'. Total BS. if that were the case then daytime focus would be slow too.

I would keep it just because it's the PERFECT hiking/biking camera. Really. (even though my original wide adapter doesn't work and i'd have to buy another). But as I said earlier gear is an emotional thing and right now I'm P!SSED. Just p!ssed off at how pentax coulda screwed this up so bad when every damn body else can get basic autofocus right.

I'm gonna sell it and get another ver I. those are frequently going for less than $400 - and my GW will still work. I would not recommend this camera over the I/II or to anybody wanting a small do-a-lot camera to replace their iphone.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

Of course, you realize The Force is in total disarray because of your post.

Now the Universe must eventually proceed to the great recycling - - - first, wait 'til the final phase of the Great Outbreath having finished its expansion phase - - - then a reverse Big Bang, our universe as we think we know it disappears back to Nothing, then a new Big Bang, and the Universe most appear all over again.

Thanks a lot!

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cali92rs Regular Member • Posts: 346
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TN Args wrote:

cali92rs wrote:

TN Args wrote:

athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

I.e. if your subject happens to be at a predetermined distance.

"Hey guys, make sure you stay at 1.5 meters so you can be in focus...thanks!"

If you knew a bit about lenses and focusing, you would know how good snap focus is, and how wrong is your comment.

If you knew anything about modern cameras (anything within the last 10 years) you would know how much the GR III struggles with the easiest focusing tasks and shouldn't have to rely on glorified manual focus.

MikePennPhoto
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TN Args wrote:

cali92rs wrote:

TN Args wrote:

athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

I.e. if your subject happens to be at a predetermined distance.

"Hey guys, make sure you stay at 1.5 meters so you can be in focus...thanks!"

If you knew a bit about lenses and focusing, you would know how good snap focus is, and how wrong is your comment.

Sorry but at f2.8 he's correct

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JL Auch Regular Member • Posts: 202
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Snap focus is great. I use it 90% of the time. But the fact that it is great, and very useful, doesn't excuse the pitiful AF on the GR III.

MikePennPhoto wrote:

TN Args wrote:

cali92rs wrote:

TN Args wrote:

athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

I.e. if your subject happens to be at a predetermined distance.

"Hey guys, make sure you stay at 1.5 meters so you can be in focus...thanks!"

If you knew a bit about lenses and focusing, you would know how good snap focus is, and how wrong is your comment.

Sorry but at f2.8 he's correct

OP athensGA Regular Member • Posts: 397
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TN Args wrote:

athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

The camera focuses great during the day, so snap focus not necessary. The problem is at night. I don't think snap focus is an option at night due to large aperture requirement and resultant shallow dof. I could be wrong though. Honestly I've struggled trying to adapt snap focus with small apertures (F8) so I never even attempted low light snap focus at 2.8

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

OP athensGA Regular Member • Posts: 397
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Russell Dawkins wrote:

...This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful...

...I'm gonna sell it and get another ver I. those are frequently going for less than $400 - and my GW will still work. I would not recommend this camera over the I/II or to anybody wanting a small do-a-lot camera to replace their iphone.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

I'll buy your GR III for what you paid for it and even sell you my GR I for $300. It has 15,800 shutter actuations and two small hairs and a small spot on the sensor, but it has performed flawlessly.

Already sold. Buddy of mine who seems to like it just fine so far. Thanks though.

John Brubaker Contributing Member • Posts: 521
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athensGA wrote:

TN Args wrote:

athensGA wrote:

<<snip>>

The Ugly:

1-100. The autofocus. OMG. (ver 1.30 btw). What a suckfest. Ok it works fine in bright sunlight. But anything less so and fugghedaboudit. It's ridiculous. I mean you line everybody up in the bar/restaurant to take a group shot and the lens hunts in and out and gives up and your cousin cracks on you like 'dude i thought you were some kind of great photographer! My iphone is better than that!'.

And don't even think about evening night street photography: Girl i'm trying to do a quick sneaky snap on ...'uh do you want me to stand still for you so you can get your shot?' what a total freaking embarrassment. This is a 2018 product, pentax, and you're charging $800 for this mess!!! ( i got mine used for $660). Absolutely shameful.

So, if you used snap focus, it would be a great camera?

The camera focuses great during the day, so snap focus not necessary. The problem is at night. I don't think snap focus is an option at night due to large aperture requirement and resultant shallow dof. I could be wrong though. Honestly I've struggled trying to adapt snap focus with small apertures (F8) so I never even attempted low light snap focus at 2.8

https://www.flickr.com/photos/83702654@N07/

With snap focus set to 2.5 meters (@f2.8), the depth of field extends from about 2 meters to 4.5 meters (about 6 feet - 15 feet). This is a very easy range to guage by eye. At other f-stops the dof gets better and easier to estimate by eye. So yes this is an easy way to shoot if the autofocus is not meeting expectations. Personally, I find the focus system works just fine in most all the situations I need to use it. ---jb.

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