It's official : CFexpress is the future

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As you may have noticed the newly announced Canon 1DXMkIII will sport CFExpress cards.

Combined with now old news Nikon's adoption of the same format, CFExpress is now without doubt the future standard for dSLR memory cards,

CFast is on its way out. Nikon made the right call by adopting XQD a few years ago,

Off topic but the new Canon specs look impressive! Canon users can rejoice.

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I noticed that in the Canon announcement, and my first thought was the hope that it will drive cheaper CFX cards to market for us.  Thank you Canon!

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TOF guy wrote:

As you may have noticed the newly announced Canon 1DXMkIII will sport CFExpress cards.

Combined with now old news Nikon's adoption of the same format, CFExpress is now without doubt the future standard for dSLR memory cards,

CFast is on its way out. Nikon made the right call by adopting XQD a few years ago,

CFexpress (CFx) being the future isn't exactly news, as CFast is based on the Serial ATA interface which has reached its theoretical speed limit. The question is when video cam manufacturers would switch from CFast to CFx in large numbers. Back in early September, Canon announced the C500 Mark II with two CFx slots and one SD slot, no CFast: https://www.dpreview.com/news/7855612854/canon-announces-c500-mark-ii-camera-and-a-39k-reference-monitor

It is only natural that the 1Dx Mark 3 following the same path towards CFx.

As a result, the Canon 1Dx Mark 2 is the only Canon still camera that has a CFast slot.

Nikon's adaptation of XQD in their D4 back in 2012 turned out to be ahead of its time. What has been holding back XQD is that whoever produces them needs to pay royalty to Sony. When Lexar was owned by Micron, they managed to work out some deal with Sony, but not Lexar's current owner LongSys. For all practical purposes, XQD is now renamed CFx and that Sony royalty obligation is gone. All of a sudden many different brands are now making CFx cards.

Back in 2016 I bought a D5 with dual XQD slots. So far I am extremely happy with XQD. Hopefully competition and the absence of royalty would quickly drive down the cost for XQD/CFx so that it can become more popular.

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TOF guy wrote:

As you may have noticed the newly announced Canon 1DXMkIII will sport CFExpress cards.

Combined with now old news Nikon's adoption of the same format, CFExpress is now without doubt the future standard for dSLR memory cards,

CFast is on its way out. Nikon made the right call by adopting XQD a few years ago,

Off topic but the new Canon specs look impressive! Canon users can rejoice.

So let Ike see if I got the right DSLR’s are Dead so CFexpress cards won’t matter to them anyways but ML are the future are or are they dead too and now we just shoot with CFexpress, , what’s the future going to bring us next week

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lickity split wrote:

So let Ike see if I got the right DSLR’s are Dead so CFexpress cards won’t matter to them anyways but ML are the future are or are they dead too and now we just shoot with CFexpress, , what’s the future going to bring us next week

I understand that CFexpress won´t need cameras to take photos.

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Raul wrote:

lickity split wrote:

So let Ike see if I got the right DSLR’s are Dead so CFexpress cards won’t matter to them anyways but ML are the future are or are they dead too and now we just shoot with CFexpress, , what’s the future going to bring us next week

I understand that CFexpress won´t need cameras to take photos.

Yes it’s the future of photography 🤣

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lickity split wrote:

TOF guy wrote:

As you may have noticed the newly announced Canon 1DXMkIII will sport CFExpress cards.

Combined with now old news Nikon's adoption of the same format, CFExpress is now without doubt the future standard for dSLR memory cards,

CFast is on its way out. Nikon made the right call by adopting XQD a few years ago,

Off topic but the new Canon specs look impressive! Canon users can rejoice.

So let Ike see if I got the right DSLR’s are Dead so CFexpress cards won’t matter to them anyways but ML are the future are or are they dead too and now we just shoot with CFexpress, , what’s the future going to bring us next week

CFx will be used in both ML and DSLR, single slot on low end and twin slots in advanced amateur and professional models

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mais51 wrote:

CFx will be used in both ML and DSLR, single slot on low end and twin slots in advanced amateur and professional models

Keep in mind that we are really referring to CFx type B here, which has the same form factor (size) as XQD cards. There will also be CFx type A cards, which have only one PCI express lane and are a bit smaller than an SD card.

For higher end cameras that need to include two cards, it could be a combination of one type A and one type B to save some space. Type A will still be plenty fast for most still capture. Video will go onto the Type B card.

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mais51 wrote:

lickity split wrote:

TOF guy wrote:

As you may have noticed the newly announced Canon 1DXMkIII will sport CFExpress cards.

Combined with now old news Nikon's adoption of the same format, CFExpress is now without doubt the future standard for dSLR memory cards,

CFast is on its way out. Nikon made the right call by adopting XQD a few years ago,

Off topic but the new Canon specs look impressive! Canon users can rejoice.

So let Ike see if I got the right DSLR’s are Dead so CFexpress cards won’t matter to them anyways but ML are the future are or are they dead too and now we just shoot with CFexpress, , what’s the future going to bring us next week

CFx will be used in both ML and DSLR, single slot on low end and twin slots in advanced amateur and professional models

Gotcha, so the Z6/7 are low end bodies , if you keep that up you won’t be invited to the Nikon Christmas party... 👍👍

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John Card wrote:

I noticed that in the Canon announcement, and my first thought was the hope that it will drive cheaper CFX cards to market for us. Thank you Canon!

Exactly.  I don’t have any problem in using a XQD or CFexpress or whatever, as long as the price is right.

I only use and buy the $40 64GB SD and CF cards for my D4 and XT1 and when I was using the 36MP Pentax K1 I had zero problem with SD as well.  All that “reliability” nonsense with CF and SD mem cards have never affected me, ever, and I have shot Maybe about 300,000 up until this day with inexpensive cards with zero failures.  Maybe I’m just lucky.

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Batdude wrote:

John Card wrote:

I noticed that in the Canon announcement, and my first thought was the hope that it will drive cheaper CFX cards to market for us. Thank you Canon!

Exactly. I don’t have any problem in using a XQD or CFexpress or whatever, as long as the price is right.

I only use and buy the $40 64GB SD and CF cards for my D4 and XT1 and when I was using the 36MP Pentax K1 I had zero problem with SD as well. All that “reliability” nonsense with CF and SD mem cards have never affected me, ever, and I have shot Maybe about 300,000 up until this day with inexpensive cards with zero failures. Maybe I’m just lucky.

Same here. I have 3 or 4 XQDs, but a 160 mb/s CF in my D4s never slows down, I use some 95 mb/s SD cards in the D500 that never buffers out, and right now I have a 64gb 60mb/s SD card in my D850 that has never buffered out for the burst, at 9 fps, that I shoot.

I think it must be to gear heads, like a higher hp / higher torque engine is in a sports car to car guys. Except that IT'S NOT a high hp / torque engine it's a memory card. So I'm not impressed if someone runs the "wicked fast" CFX cards.

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shuncheung wrote:

CFexpress (CFx) being the future isn't exactly news, as CFast is based on the Serial ATA interface which has reached its theoretical speed limit. .

What was to prevent Canon to create a new standard with the help of card manufacturers?

So it is news.

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I'm not even worried about the speed, I'd just prefer to have cheaper options to fill the current XQD slot.  If that means CFx through a firmware update, so be it.  We need to break the Sony monopoly on that card slot.

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John Card wrote:

I'm not even worried about the speed, I'd just prefer to have cheaper options to fill the current XQD slot. If that means CFx through a firmware update, so be it. We need to break the Sony monopoly on that card slot.

That should happen.  Cheaper options, I mean.

I think D850 and D500 is slated for a firmware update.  My D4s, if it doesn't get one, will be fine with the multiple 160mb/s CFs I have and my current XQDs.

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TOF guy wrote:

shuncheung wrote:

CFexpress (CFx) being the future isn't exactly news, as CFast is based on the Serial ATA interface which has reached its theoretical speed limit. .

What was to prevent Canon to create a new standard with the help of card manufacturers?

So it is news.

Canon is big but not that big to have their own standard - and no card manufacturers would be foolish enough to sink their money into producing a new card format just for Canon

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lickity split wrote:

mais51 wrote:

lickity split wrote:

TOF guy wrote:

As you may have noticed the newly announced Canon 1DXMkIII will sport CFExpress cards.

Combined with now old news Nikon's adoption of the same format, CFExpress is now without doubt the future standard for dSLR memory cards,

CFast is on its way out. Nikon made the right call by adopting XQD a few years ago,

Off topic but the new Canon specs look impressive! Canon users can rejoice.

So let Ike see if I got the right DSLR’s are Dead so CFexpress cards won’t matter to them anyways but ML are the future are or are they dead too and now we just shoot with CFexpress, , what’s the future going to bring us next week

CFx will be used in both ML and DSLR, single slot on low end and twin slots in advanced amateur and professional models

Gotcha, so the Z6/7 are low end bodies , if you keep that up you won’t be invited to the Nikon Christmas party... 👍👍

Of course they are first generation and possibly low end or just advanced amateur cameras

As a D850 user I don’t see these cameras are advance enough to spend money on them - I have nothing against Nikon - The cameras simply don’t meet my expectations

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mais51 wrote:

Canon is big but not that big to have their own standard

Canon all types of cameras put together (excluding phones) holds at least a third of the market. That's enough pull to form a consortium around a new standard. Compare with XQD at its beginning : the market share behind XQD - a high end format for expensive cameras with little backing from manufacturers except Nikon - was much smaller.

- and no card manufacturers would be foolish enough to sink their money into producing a new card format just for Canon

And yet that is exactly what they did with CFast.. So the facts do not support your statement.

The reason why Canon is today behind CFExpress is likely time: CFast is not good enough for their new flagship dSLR, certainly not good enough for the future, and they need a fast card now for their new flagship camera.

Regardless the adoption of CFexpress by Canon is a good sign that we won't end up with a plethora of standards in the future.

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TOF guy wrote:

mais51 wrote:

Canon is big but not that big to have their own standard

Canon all types of cameras put together (excluding phones) holds at least a third of the market. That's enough pull to form a consortium around a new standard. Compare with XQD at its beginning : the market share behind XQD - a high end format for expensive cameras with little backing from manufacturers except Nikon - was much smaller.

- and no card manufacturers would be foolish enough to sink their money into producing a new card format just for Canon

And yet that is exactly what they did with CFast.. So the facts do not support your statement.

The reason why Canon is today behind CFExpress is likely time: CFast is not good enough for their new flagship dSLR, certainly not good enough for the future, and they need a fast card now for their new flagship camera.

Regardless the adoption of CFexpress by Canon is a good sign that we won't end up with a plethora of standards in the future.

Sure that is why they have their fingers burnt supporting a dead end format - CFast was doomed from the beginning using old technology - CFx using PCI express serial data interface is the future Nikon saw that and sticks by it

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Raul wrote:

lickity split wrote:

So let Ike see if I got the right DSLR’s are Dead so CFexpress cards won’t matter to them anyways but ML are the future are or are they dead too and now we just shoot with CFexpress, , what’s the future going to bring us next week

I understand that CFexpress won´t need cameras to take photos.

Does anyone still take “photos”?  😉

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TOF guy wrote:

mais51 wrote:

Canon is big but not that big to have their own standard

Canon all types of cameras put together (excluding phones) holds at least a third of the market. That's enough pull to form a consortium around a new standard. Compare with XQD at its beginning : the market share behind XQD - a high end format for expensive cameras with little backing from manufacturers except Nikon - was much smaller.

- and no card manufacturers would be foolish enough to sink their money into producing a new card format just for Canon

And yet that is exactly what they did with CFast.. So the facts do not support your statement.

The reason why Canon is today behind CFExpress is likely time: CFast is not good enough for their new flagship dSLR, certainly not good enough for the future, and they need a fast card now for their new flagship camera.

Regardless the adoption of CFexpress by Canon is a good sign that we won't end up with a plethora of standards in the future.

+1

Nikon gets enough grief, you'd think for once we could be unambiguously positive about this development in the market. XQD was very niche when Nikon introduced it; and a low point was reached when other card vendors exited the market and Sony had a monopoly on card supplies, without other camera makes taking up the standard, it might have been a dead end.

Now we have (1) the backwards-compatible CFE standard with no Sony IP stranglehold and more vendors shipping cards (2) an assurance it will be the future standard for fast cards with Canon switching

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