What is Canon's equivalent to Panasonic's LX100?

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Tim in the North East New Member • Posts: 3
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Over the years I had a series of Canon compacts (SX200, SX240,SX270) followed by Panasonic TZ70. I loved their portability but whilst I like the TZ70โ€™s electronic viewfinder I missed the Canonโ€™s processor and its JPG performance.

I then bought a Mark 1 Panasonic LX100 with its 4/3 sensor, bright EVF and wonderful manual control (by turning old fashioned knobs and dials) for shutter speed and aperture. It gives much better shots than the TZ70 and I now shoot almost exclusively RAW and get really good images. I have not felt the need to upgrade to the Mark 2 with its larger sensor. Indeed when my first LX100 was knocked out of my hand onto a stone floor which killed it, I bought an almost new LX100 mark 1 off eBay and now use that.

However, whilst the LX100 is a versatile camera that is a joy to use, its zoom range is only 24mm to 75mm (equivalent) and to satisfy my telephoto needs I have just this week bought a brand new (but discounted price) Canon G3X.

So my advice is donโ€™t be afraid to pick and mix  between different manufacturers. For those of us experienced photographers that prefer the versatility of compact/bridge cameras over the bulk of SLRs/ILCs then I think LX100 + G3X could be a winning combination!

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Ken Prager wrote:

Thanks Bill! That’s a good endorsement!!

Ken, I don't currently own a Canon camera but I can tell you that Canon "colors" are basically better than Panasonic's and that's one of the main reasons many people might prefer a Canon over the LX100 camera.

Now, a lot of that is subjective and based on personal opinion and I placed the word color in quotation marks because I'm talking about straight out of the camera JPEG images and not about raw images or JPEG images that have been post-processed.

Even in DPR's review of the LX100, they said that the camera's JPEG images, straight out of the camera, might not be to everyone's liking.

Like I said in another comment, I have the Leica equivalent of the LX100 (I'm 99% sure they're the same, inside) and I don't have any complaints about the image quality or colors but I post-process every image I intend to keep.

I think the LX100 is a much better camera than many people realize but, even though I like the camera I can understand why many people prefer Canon's color science (JPEG processing algorithms) and believe JPEG images, straight out of most Canon compact cameras have colors that are "better" than the LX100.

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Ed, I’ve had a few Canon and Panasonic cameras. I agree with your comments about Canon’s color science being preferable, although Panasonic’s OOC colors seem improved with the GX9 and LX100 II. My indecision between the Canon G5X II and Panasonic LX100 II has to do more with which sensor-lens combo and camera size I’ll be happier with for carrying everywhere. I’m leaning towards the LX100 II for sensor-lens, but the G5X II for camera size. I’m still not sure which overall compromise I’ll be happiest with. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Either way, I’ll be shooting OOC jpegs with minor editing in Apple’s Photos and maybe Snapseed.

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Ken Prager wrote:

Ed, I’ve had a few Canon and Panasonic cameras. I agree with your comments about Canon’s color science being preferable, although Panasonic’s OOC colors seem improved with the GX9 and LX100 II. My indecision between the Canon G5X II and Panasonic LX100 II has to do more with which sensor-lens combo and camera size I’ll be happier with for carrying everywhere. I’m leaning towards the LX100 II for sensor-lens, but the G5X II for camera size. I’m still not sure which overall compromise I’ll be happiest with. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Either way, I’ll be shooting OOC jpegs with minor editing in Apple’s Photos and maybe Snapseed.

Tough choice indeed, I think the LXII would be slightly better in lower light and that lens will have the edge to, but the GX5II is such a great package (flash included) and smaller, so I reckon you win either way.

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Jostian wrote:

Ken Prager wrote:

Ed, I’ve had a few Canon and Panasonic cameras. I agree with your comments about Canon’s color science being preferable, although Panasonic’s OOC colors seem improved with the GX9 and LX100 II. My indecision between the Canon G5X II and Panasonic LX100 II has to do more with which sensor-lens combo and camera size I’ll be happier with for carrying everywhere. I’m leaning towards the LX100 II for sensor-lens, but the G5X II for camera size. I’m still not sure which overall compromise I’ll be happiest with. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Either way, I’ll be shooting OOC jpegs with minor editing in Apple’s Photos and maybe Snapseed.

Tough choice indeed, I think the LXII would be slightly better in lower light and that lens will have the edge to, but the GX5II is such a great package (flash included) and smaller, so I reckon you win either way.

the g5xii is better than an iphone

that is about it though

if you want something more, get m6ii + new primes

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Ed B wrote:

Bill Faulding wrote:

For me, the best equivalent is the G5X MkII.

Alongside owning premium SLRs (currently a Canon 5D IV) I have always had a pocket sized camera. I had the LX3, LX5, LX7 and LX100. I loved the LX100 but my gripes with it were:

Greenish colour cast to images
Annoying lens cap
Lack of reach
Ease of focusing
Shortage of pixels

The GX5 fixes all of these ...

Canon colours - vibrant but still natural - superb
Integrated lens cover
120mm (equiv) zoom
Superb focusing

I tend to point it at stationary subjects. I look through the viewfinder and if the camera does not automatically select the bits I want to focus on, I just slide my thumb around on the screen and select a focus point, which the camera then tracks if i recompose - absolutely brilliant.

Also ...

It's smaller
It doesn't blow out the highlights and give you white skies instead of blue
Excellent touch screen
Logical Canon menu system

Lens is not quite as fast but it's very good.

Last week I took the same shot of a stately home with the G5XII and my 5D MkIV with a 16-35mm "L" lens and on the screen they were indistinguishable. Printed on A4 they are indistinguishable. If you pixel-peep you can see the superior sharpness of the SLR but why bother.
Highly recommended as the perfect replacement for an LX100.

See images attached. #12 with the G5, #13 with the 5DiV. These are downloads of uploads to Google photos, so they have been compressed automatically ...

Bill, I have nothing negative to say about any of Canon's cameras and have always liked Canon's colors but my experience with the LX100 (I actually have the Leica version) is quite a bit different than yours.

The D-Lux (type 109) is the smallest camera I have and it has a smaller sensor and fewer pixels than my other cameras but does a great job in a lot of different situations.

I've never had a problem with blown out skies or with autofocusing. Maybe I've just been lucky but my camera seems fine and I get no greenish color cast in my pictures.

I know a lot of people don't like a removable lens cap but any photographer who's used to dealing with interchangeable lenses almost considers it a norm. I just take it off and put it in my pocket when I'm using the camera.

Also these blade lens protectors need as much protecting as the lens. I really do not like them myself. I have them on my G5X Mk I and they always make me nervous if I hand the camera to someone else in case they press in these delicate blades. In fact I have a card in front of the bag to stop intrusion of any object pushing them in. Plenty of lens scratching problems listed in this forum over time.

I never took to this new G5X clone of the RX100 and bought the old version which is nice to handle even if dated in performance. Left eye dominance and my time struggling with a Sony HX90V viewfinder helped in that decision.

I also agree that many people might shy away from a camera that only has about 13 megapixels but, truth be known, that's more than enough for almost anything a person would need to do.

The first DSLR I bought was way back when Canon introduced their 10D camera and it only had 6-megapixels.

I was cropping, during post-processing, to improve framing/composition and printing some images larger than 8X10 without any problems.

I guess people who crop to extremes or landscape photographers who print their images would need more resolution but I think manufacturers and reviewers have overstated the "more is better" thing when it comes to megapixels.

Anyway, the G5X picture you posted looks great to me and I think you're right that it looks just as good as the DSLR with the L lens.

I also agree that if a person wanted to replace the LX100 (original or II) the Canon would be a good choice.

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Re: What is Canon's equivalent to Panasonic's LX100?

AllFlawed wrote:

Ed B wrote:

Bill, I have nothing negative to say about any of Canon's cameras and have always liked Canon's colors but my experience with the LX100 (I actually have the Leica version) is quite a bit different than yours.

The D-Lux (type 109) is the smallest camera I have and it has a smaller sensor and fewer pixels than my other cameras but does a great job in a lot of different situations.

I've never had a problem with blown out skies or with autofocusing. Maybe I've just been lucky but my camera seems fine and I get no greenish color cast in my pictures.

I know a lot of people don't like a removable lens cap but any photographer who's used to dealing with interchangeable lenses almost considers it a norm. I just take it off and put it in my pocket when I'm using the camera.

Also these blade lens protectors need as much protecting as the lens. I really do not like them myself. I have them on my G5X Mk I and they always make me nervous if I hand the camera to someone else in case they press in these delicate blades. In fact I have a card in front of the bag to stop intrusion of any object pushing them in. Plenty of lens scratching problems listed in this forum over time.

I've never owned a camera with a built-in lens cover but I've read about a lot of people having problems with them and I don't think I'd like them either.

I never took to this new G5X clone of the RX100 and bought the old version which is nice to handle even if dated in performance. Left eye dominance and my time struggling with a Sony HX90V viewfinder helped in that decision.

When it comes to Sony compact cameras, I think their sensors are great and have no complaints about image quality but I've tried a couple of the Sony models and they're just not right for me.

I know that reviewers always rate Sony compacts higher than other brands but I honestly think the majority of modern-day cameras are very good and when it comes to image quality (especially outdoors, in decent light) most of us can't see much difference between the different brands/models.

Everyone is different but for me, the most important features about any compact camera are the ergonomics and how well it performs indoors, in natural/lower light.

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Jostian wrote:

tkbslc wrote:

Probably the Canon G1X II. 1.9x crop sensor and f2-3.9 lens. It's a bit chunkier than the LX100, and lacks a viewfinder, but it has double the zoom range. Only available used at this point.

Other than that, you are looking at a G5X III or G7 X II and settling for 1" sensor..

I recently got an as new G1x MkII and am very happy with it, also got the DC2 EVF for a steal so I'm pretty sorted, love the 24 to 120mm lens at F2.0 to F3.9 which is nice and bright. IQ is also better than I was expecting. See a few shots below SOOC jpegs.

Wow - this has been a great discussion and I appreciate everyone's input!

First off, I'm responding to the above comment and including a few of the pictures as an example of the things I am generally shooting...when I saw small creeks and water elements included in some of your photos, as well as grassy fields and mountains, I thought "awesome! now here's some real life examples of the subjects I often shoot on a camera someone is recommending to me"

Also, i think i know the answer to this, but does Canon's "Color science" come through at all in RAW images?

If not, it seems there's little reason to focus on Canon for their particular colors if one is willing to shoot RAW? Could I not just shoot in RAW on the original LX100, get an app on my phone that can handle them, slap a "Canon-look" profile on them (I'm sure this exists somewhere) and go from there?

but back to the topic at hand...it seems some consensus is narrowing in on the:

- G5X mark i: I like this form factor a little better

- G5x mark ii: I like this form factor a little less

- G1X mark ii

The next question is the price...compared to the original LX100.

- G1X mark ii: $350s used

- G5X mark i: ~$500s?

- G5X mark ii: ~$700s +

- LX100 (bigger sensor than the G5X...but not as big as the G1X mark ii): $400s

As many of you have stated it seems the clear answer is the G1X Mark II for me, especially once you consider price.

remaining cons: Not crazy about the shape/ergonomics of that camera but I haven't held one in person yet so I can't really know.

Also, the pictures I included above coming out of that camera aren't my favorite actually.

Thanks again for the help! Does anyone know of a straight forward way to achieve the 'canon look' in post processing on RAW images? Or at least a starting place

Jostian
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orey10m wrote:

Jostian wrote:

tkbslc wrote:

Probably the Canon G1X II. 1.9x crop sensor and f2-3.9 lens. It's a bit chunkier than the LX100, and lacks a viewfinder, but it has double the zoom range. Only available used at this point.

Other than that, you are looking at a G5X III or G7 X II and settling for 1" sensor..

I recently got an as new G1x MkII and am very happy with it, also got the DC2 EVF for a steal so I'm pretty sorted, love the 24 to 120mm lens at F2.0 to F3.9 which is nice and bright. IQ is also better than I was expecting. See a few shots below SOOC jpegs.

Wow - this has been a great discussion and I appreciate everyone's input!

First off, I'm responding to the above comment and including a few of the pictures as an example of the things I am generally shooting...when I saw small creeks and water elements included in some of your photos, as well as grassy fields and mountains, I thought "awesome! now here's some real life examples of the subjects I often shoot on a camera someone is recommending to me"

Also, i think i know the answer to this, but does Canon's "Color science" come through at all in RAW images?

If not, it seems there's little reason to focus on Canon for their particular colors if one is willing to shoot RAW? Could I not just shoot in RAW on the original LX100, get an app on my phone that can handle them, slap a "Canon-look" profile on them (I'm sure this exists somewhere) and go from there?

but back to the topic at hand...it seems some consensus is narrowing in on the:

- G5X mark i: I like this form factor a little better

- G5x mark ii: I like this form factor a little less

- G1X mark ii

The next question is the price...compared to the original LX100.

- G1X mark ii: $350s used

- G5X mark i: ~$500s?

- G5X mark ii: ~$700s +

- LX100 (bigger sensor than the G5X...but not as big as the G1X mark ii): $400s

As many of you have stated it seems the clear answer is the G1X Mark II for me, especially once you consider price.

remaining cons: Not crazy about the shape/ergonomics of that camera but I haven't held one in person yet so I can't really know.

Also, the pictures I included above coming out of that camera aren't my favorite actually.

Thanks again for the help! Does anyone know of a straight forward way to achieve the 'canon look' in post processing on RAW images? Or at least a starting place

yip its a tough choice, but a nice one I was very lucky I bought my G1X II as new (absolutely pristine) for around 250USD and then got a brand new DC2 EVF for 90USD so I really got a lovely setup for around 350USD, which is great. The G1X II is rather chunky and heavy but I like the solidity, though its not even remotely a pocket or even jacket pocket friendly. I think the lens on the LX100 is great but you are limited by quite a short zoom. the G5X both I and II are nice options as they are great packages in a small form factor, so yes, not an easy decision, good luck.

As to the Canon colours in a phone app, I'm sure you can find something that'll work, I WiFi the photos (in original size) to my phone and just use Snapseed if I want to tweak, but with Lightroom mobile you may find more Canon colour type presents etc. not sure.

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Jostian wrote:

I was very lucky I bought my G1X II as new (absolutely pristine) for around 250USD and then got a brand new DC2 EVF for 90USD so I really got a lovely setup for around 350USD, which is great. The G1X II is rather chunky and heavy

Sure it was very good deal. Congratulations.

But - because of my eyes I can use only EVF, no screen. For some years I had small Olympus XZ-1 compact camera which with attached VF-2 EVF and eyecup was bigger than my mirrorless Olympus. Therefore it was left at home since I bought that mirrorless camera. And now, when I was looking for a new compact, built-in (good) EVF was a must. For me, only G5X and G1X III were options to choose from. And then, of course, to find affordable price.

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Lacko wrote:

Jostian wrote:

I was very lucky I bought my G1X II as new (absolutely pristine) for around 250USD and then got a brand new DC2 EVF for 90USD so I really got a lovely setup for around 350USD, which is great. The G1X II is rather chunky and heavy

Sure it was very good deal. Congratulations.

But - because of my eyes I can use only EVF, no screen. For some years I had small Olympus XZ-1 compact camera which with attached VF-2 EVF and eyecup was bigger than my mirrorless Olympus. Therefore it was left at home since I bought that mirrorless camera. And now, when I was looking for a new compact, built-in (good) EVF was a must. For me, only G5X and G1X III were options to choose from. And then, of course, to find affordable price.

Just to say that the EVF-DC2 viewfinder that I use on the G1x II is as good as any out there, its very good quality, 2.36 million resolution, OLED, auto eye sensor etc. so dont think you miss out on anything.

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Jostian wrote:

Lacko wrote:

Jostian wrote:

I was very lucky I bought my G1X II as new (absolutely pristine) for around 250USD and then got a brand new DC2 EVF for 90USD so I really got a lovely setup for around 350USD, which is great. The G1X II is rather chunky and heavy

Sure it was very good deal. Congratulations.

But - because of my eyes I can use only EVF, no screen. For some years I had small Olympus XZ-1 compact camera which with attached VF-2 EVF and eyecup was bigger than my mirrorless Olympus. Therefore it was left at home since I bought that mirrorless camera. And now, when I was looking for a new compact, built-in (good) EVF was a must. For me, only G5X and G1X III were options to choose from. And then, of course, to find affordable price.

Just to say that the EVF-DC2 viewfinder that I use on the G1x II is as good as any out there, its very good quality, 2.36 million resolution, OLED, auto eye sensor etc. so dont think you miss out on anything.

Yes, I know. Nothing about quality of additional EVFs, it's just about the overall size of camera - for me personally. I like built-in viewfinders, because such cameras are generally smaller.

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yes the EVF does extend the height a bit, true.

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Lacko wrote:

Jostian wrote:

Lacko wrote:

Jostian wrote:

I was very lucky I bought my G1X II as new (absolutely pristine) for around 250USD and then got a brand new DC2 EVF for 90USD so I really got a lovely setup for around 350USD, which is great. The G1X II is rather chunky and heavy

Sure it was very good deal. Congratulations.

But - because of my eyes I can use only EVF, no screen. For some years I had small Olympus XZ-1 compact camera which with attached VF-2 EVF and eyecup was bigger than my mirrorless Olympus. Therefore it was left at home since I bought that mirrorless camera. And now, when I was looking for a new compact, built-in (good) EVF was a must. For me, only G5X and G1X III were options to choose from. And then, of course, to find affordable price.

Just to say that the EVF-DC2 viewfinder that I use on the G1x II is as good as any out there, its very good quality, 2.36 million resolution, OLED, auto eye sensor etc. so dont think you miss out on anything.

Yes, I know. Nothing about quality of additional EVFs, it's just about the overall size of camera - for me personally. I like built-in viewfinders, because such cameras are generally smaller.

Canon have thrown in the towel really on Powershot EVFs and just ape the RX100.

Best probably to wait until they can get the technology for the auto deploy EVF unless in a great hurry. Deploying the Sony HX90V EVF was awkward as it needed a hard pull to ensure it was in place and that meant holding the pop up bit to avoid strain and even then it sometimes was not fully out and blurred. Possibly the Canon one is better and it is larger than the HX90.

Canon do frustrate me as the G5X as it was but just uprated for lens and processor would be a wonderful bit of kit and a real alternative to the RX100 rather than a cheaper clone and you have to wonder if Sony's pricing dilemma is keeping Canon alive.

The G1X III with that large sensor needing more light looking through a tiny 8mm hole at its largest against 16mm for the previous smaller crop was also odd to say the least. So they got an EVF in it but nobbled the lens.

I have tried the G1X Mk II and G3X with EVFs but they were so ungainly and vulnerable looking. Plus of course the basic outdated Powershot focusing system essentially ported from cheap point and shoots in the days of yore was stretched too far with the long reach G3X.

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