What are your thoughts about Luminar? My first impression is heart heart heart.

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CMCM Senior Member • Posts: 5,154
Re: What are your thoughts about Luminar? My first impression is heart heart heart.
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lacogada wrote:

CMCM wrote:

lacogada wrote:

CMCM wrote:

lacogada wrote:

Smiles123 wrote:

Luminar 3 was slow. Luminar 4 is fast.

Are you a beta tester ?

Actually, there is no way to know a single thing about L4 as it hasn't been released yet

I do believe beta testers get to try the software before it's released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvE5jAqhWNc&t=434s

So are you a beta tester then?

No ... just giving you a link that shows some people do have access to L4.

I just watched it....it's Anthony Morganti, who has done a lot of teaching videos for Luminar so I'm not surprised he would have a pre-release version of L4.  Of course he must have a relationship with Skylum, although I do get the impression his training videos are independently done.  His videos are exceptionally good....very clear and easy to understand and learn from, and I recommend them all highly.

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Paul Barnard wrote:

So you’ve used it then? I assume you must have to speak so authoritatively. Or should we ask who is paying you...

So, your prediction is that Luminar-4 will be far better than C1 or LR? Please expound on your definition of far better. I daresay we have all heard that pre-release hype before and it didn't pan out.  L-3 DAM really turned out to be a LR killer didn't it?

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mangurian wrote:

True, there is some Sh*ty SW out there, but I have seen enough Luminar videos (third party) and finished photos to know that it can be a real time saver and produce excellent results when used by skilled hands.

Yeah, get back to us when you actually have and try to use the software. Relying on infomercials from compensated shills and sycophants doesn't cut it. (Even one of the main "ambassadors" has gotten conscience and recommends not to buy L4.)  I have bought 2 versions of both Aurora HDR and Luminar and neither currently reside on my computer.

You are right: there is sh*tty software out there as well as sh*tty companies. Making promises over a two year period to get people to invest then not delivering and now actually abandoning said promises for another paid upgrade going in a completely different direction meets the definition of the latter.

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Re: What are your thoughts about Luminar? My first impression is heart heart heart.

Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:

mangurian wrote:

True, there is some Sh*ty SW out there, but I have seen enough Luminar videos (third party) and finished photos to know that it can be a real time saver and produce excellent results when used by skilled hands.

Yeah, get back to us when you actually have and try to use the software. Relying on infomercials from compensated shills and sycophants doesn't cut it. (Even one of the main "ambassadors" has gotten conscience and recommends not to buy L4.)

Which ambassador?

I have bought 2 versions of both Aurora HDR and Luminar and neither currently reside on my computer.

What did you dislike about them?

You are right: there is sh*tty software out there as well as sh*tty companies. Making promises over a two year period to get people to invest then not delivering and now actually abandoning said promises for another paid upgrade going in a completely different direction meets the definition of the latter.

What promises?  About the DAM?

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JLGF1 wrote:

Paul Barnard wrote:

So you’ve used it then? I assume you must have to speak so authoritatively. Or should we ask who is paying you...

So, your prediction is that Luminar-4 will be far better than C1 or LR? Please expound on your definition of far better. I daresay we have all heard that pre-release hype before and it didn't pan out. L-3 DAM really turned out to be a LR killer didn't it?

No I didn’t make any predictions. You however made aN absolute statement...

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Re: What are your thoughts about Luminar? My first impression is heart heart heart.

CMCM wrote:

lacogada wrote:

CMCM wrote:

lacogada wrote:

CMCM wrote:

lacogada wrote:

Smiles123 wrote:

Luminar 3 was slow. Luminar 4 is fast.

Are you a beta tester ?

Actually, there is no way to know a single thing about L4 as it hasn't been released yet

I do believe beta testers get to try the software before it's released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvE5jAqhWNc&t=434s

So are you a beta tester then?

No ... just giving you a link that shows some people do have access to L4.

I just watched it....it's Anthony Morganti, who has done a lot of teaching videos for Luminar so I'm not surprised he would have a pre-release version of L4. Of course he must have a relationship with Skylum, although I do get the impression his training videos are independently done. His videos are exceptionally good....very clear and easy to understand and learn from, and I recommend them all highly.

A number of YouTube people have started reviewing. Art of Pfotography did a review a week ago. https://youtu.be/drnbxDlObWg. He isn’t associated with Skylum.

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Re: What are your thoughts about Luminar? My first impression is heart heart heart.

CMCM wrote:

Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:

mangurian wrote:

True, there is some Sh*ty SW out there, but I have seen enough Luminar videos (third party) and finished photos to know that it can be a real time saver and produce excellent results when used by skilled hands.

Yeah, get back to us when you actually have and try to use the software. Relying on infomercials from compensated shills and sycophants doesn't cut it. (Even one of the main "ambassadors" has gotten conscience and recommends not to buy L4.)

Which ambassador?

I have bought 2 versions of both Aurora HDR and Luminar and neither currently reside on my computer.

What did you dislike about them?

You are right: there is sh*tty software out there as well as sh*tty companies. Making promises over a two year period to get people to invest then not delivering and now actually abandoning said promises for another paid upgrade going in a completely different direction meets the definition of the latter.

What promises? About the DAM?

the big failure is of course the DAM. A lot of people, myself included, bought into Luminar 2018 with the promise of a DAM. That promise was never delivered and the paid upgrade to 4 makes a lie of their promises to everyone who jumped in to get the DAM.
The other issue has been windows/OS X parity. Luminar on Windows has always lagged in terms of features and performance. Skylum was of course Macfun in a previous life so it’s not a surprise that the Mac got first bite of the cherry.

Skylum has already confirmed functional parity between windows and OSX for 4. They are extending their catalogue but it is still far from a DAM. That remains the broken promise and for sure some people are still torqued about being suckered by that promise.
For me personally, I find Luminar to be my go to editor, I do have the full Adobe CC suite, latest DXO, latest CaptureOne plus all the Topaz tools. It’s the simplicity of use for ‘normal’ editing that I like. It’s also fast on my, admittedly high end, Apple computers. I’ve also shifted to using an independent DAM which lets me launch any of my editors directly and gives me full control of my catalogue.

i won’t use products with a subscription service as I can’t deal with the idea of losing access to my edits if I stop paying the subscription. That’s a dilemma many people still using CS6 are about to face.

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Lloyd O'Daniel Regular Member • Posts: 443
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I don't remember the guy's name and it's not worth it to look it up. It is alluded to on their forum if you are that interested. Anyway, my opinion is based on my own experience with both Mac and Windows versions.

The Luminar 3 initial release was the buggiest, most incomplete software I have ever seen and my first computer was in 1981. The DAM is a big part of it. It was promised for 2018 and, to their credit, they made L3 (2019) free because I guess even they were ashamed. It's still largely unusable in its current form and is really not a DAM. It's still buggy if you do any heavy edits, at least on Windows. They have continually moved the goalposts on the feature roadmap. They made a promise for no paid upgrades for 2019, but weaseled out of that by calling L4 a completely different app. And it is. Instead of placing their apparently very limited programming resources on fixing L3, they shifted their priority to L4 and AI eye-candy. Small software for small minds. Great for the 1-click gimmick crowd. This has taken priority over fixing L3 and adding features promised for the 2018 and L3 versions. They claim they will still update L3 with *some* of the promised functionality, but that has been pushed back to next year in favor of their new cash cow gimmick. For me, they have lost credibility. But, it's your money.

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Sorry, I am lost. What is DAM and what is the DAM you use?
My starting point is LR is it DAM?
Is PhotoMechanic DAM? Or Apple Photo?
Could I use the newly-named Alien Skin as DAM?

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That's like, your opinion. A nice marmot you've got there.
(The Dude)

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SonyOB wrote:

Sorry, I am lost. What is DAM and what is the DAM you use?
My starting point is LR is it DAM?
Is PhotoMechanic DAM? Or Apple Photo?
Could I use the newly-named Alien Skin as DAM?

DAM is Digital Asset Management and is essentially the catalogue or file system that you use to manage and access your images. It lets you label and categorise your images and find them easily. LR is a DAM which also has editing capability. You can label images with suitable labels like "Cat", "Funny Image", or whatever you like plus things like geo location peoples names etc. Photos is a form of DAM but you don't have flexibility and get pushed towards using their cloud. A personal phobia of mine is trusting data to someone else's service. I was a very heavy .Mac user back in the day for all my photography and web presence etc. Apple closed it down. Now years later we have iCloud but I don't use it or Adobe's cloud service for more than sharing a few images. All my assets are 100% on my servers with my backup policies.

Both PM and Alien Skin have DAM capabilities in they let you key word, create albums etc but I haven't used either so can't really make an assessment of how good or bad they are.

The issue with Skylum is they promised a DAM to rival LR, which does a pretty good job, and they have, to date, failed to deliver much more than a way to access your file system. I think a lot of people who were Aperture users made the switch to Luminar on the promise of DAM as Aperture was end of life when Skylum announced their "arriving soon full featured DAM" back at the end of 2017. Luminar was buggy as heck right up until recently so the angst against it is understandable, although not the labelling of people who use it...

For what it's worth I use PhotoSupreme for DAM. It's a dedicated asset manager that does the job well but doesn't try to be everything that LR tries to be. I like it because it lets me launch whichever editor I like directly from the DAM. The latest version has support of AI to automatically add labels to images. If you have very large collections of images and really want to curate and manage them a dedicated DAM is a great way to go but it is an acquired taste and initially needs some work to get everything setup and sorted. All the data is output to sidecar files so even if PhotoSupreme goes away I can import all the data into another application in the future.

If you are simply a photographer who wants to be able to find work quickly LR, Photos, DXO, Capture One etc are all that are needed. That's probably true of Alien Skin and PM as well.  What you use comes down to personal preference and choice.  Same as with cameras they can all produce great results but all have their specialist area.  For example if colour is your thing then Capture One is great to use.  DXO is a master with low light images, Luminar is great for fast instant adjustments, LR is great because it's the 'standard'.

All of them can produce great results and all of them can produce terrible images.  Some people think only the one they have chosen produces good results.  If that was true everyone would shoot Sony A7Rx bodies and process in Luminar

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Thanks, Paul. The lonely candle in the darkness.

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SonyOB wrote:

Thanks, Paul. The lonely candle in the darkness.

You would probably want to edit that image with DXO PhotoLabs

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Paul Barnard wrote:

SonyOB wrote:

Thanks, Paul. The lonely candle in the darkness.

You would probably want to edit that image with DXO PhotoLabs

I like the artifact here. As if a stream of The Force illuminated my granddaughter.
Unintentional but nice.

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Paul Barnard wrote:

No I didn’t make any predictions. You however made aN absolute statement...

Learn to recognize an opinion.  But, based on their track record recently, I would feel comfortable putting money on it should you care to bet on the prediction.

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sabrina81 wrote:

SonyOB wrote:

Do you see how the Force is surrounding her?
I never saw it before. I did not make it.

That's called a halo. It's a bug, not a feature.

True. It is a by-product of local contrast enhancement. Not too bad for this shot, but generally to be avoided.

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SonyOB wrote:

It is so much fun and so easy.
I do understand that for the serious adults this might not be the software of choice.
for people like me trying to keep my distant family amused, this is just what I was looking for!

I have PS and DxO and all kinds of stuff.
But this little software is just so much fun, easy to use and dramatic enough.
I love it, it makes me smile!

Do you see how the Force is surrounding her?
I never saw it before. I did not make it.

I tried the beta of the first Windows version and was quite impressed. Price is quite good and I would consider it in future, but I have DXO and C1 pro licences at present.

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Paul Barnard wrote:

CMCM wrote:

Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:

mangurian wrote:

True, there is some Sh*ty SW out there, but I have seen enough Luminar videos (third party) and finished photos to know that it can be a real time saver and produce excellent results when used by skilled hands.

Yeah, get back to us when you actually have and try to use the software. Relying on infomercials from compensated shills and sycophants doesn't cut it. (Even one of the main "ambassadors" has gotten conscience and recommends not to buy L4.)

Which ambassador?

I have bought 2 versions of both Aurora HDR and Luminar and neither currently reside on my computer.

What did you dislike about them?

You are right: there is sh*tty software out there as well as sh*tty companies. Making promises over a two year period to get people to invest then not delivering and now actually abandoning said promises for another paid upgrade going in a completely different direction meets the definition of the latter.

What promises? About the DAM?

the big failure is of course the DAM. A lot of people, myself included, bought into Luminar 2018 with the promise of a DAM. That promise was never delivered and the paid upgrade to 4 makes a lie of their promises to everyone who jumped in to get the DAM.
The other issue has been windows/OS X parity. Luminar on Windows has always lagged in terms of features and performance. Skylum was of course Macfun in a previous life so it’s not a surprise that the Mac got first bite of the cherry.

Skylum has already confirmed functional parity between windows and OSX for 4. They are extending their catalogue but it is still far from a DAM. That remains the broken promise and for sure some people are still torqued about being suckered by that promise.
For me personally, I find Luminar to be my go to editor, I do have the full Adobe CC suite, latest DXO, latest CaptureOne plus all the Topaz tools. It’s the simplicity of use for ‘normal’ editing that I like. It’s also fast on my, admittedly high end, Apple computers. I’ve also shifted to using an independent DAM which lets me launch any of my editors directly and gives me full control of my catalogue.

i won’t use products with a subscription service as I can’t deal with the idea of losing access to my edits if I stop paying the subscription. That’s a dilemma many people still using CS6 are about to face.

I guess I haven't been all that aware of the issues since I don't use a DAM and I'm not all that interested in one.  I do download my photos into Apple Photos (which I guess qualifies as sort of a DAM), and that works well enough as a way to view photos.

Yes, the dilemma of the CS6 is my big issue.  I'm determined to keep using it, so I've kept my two 2010 Macs to El Capitan, although I just experimented with loading CS6 onto my 2016 MBPro running High Sierra.  It surprised me, but it did appear to load without a hitch.  After loading from my original install disks, I was also able to do the updates on it to bring it to the final version.  I thought Adobe might stop me when I entered the serial #  since I already have CS6 on two computers, but putting it on this third computer didn't seem to cause a problem.

I downloaded several trials, I think I had DXO and maybe something form Topaz, but I was busy and didn't get the full benefit of the short trial periods.  I'm still curious about Topaz for the denoise filter, although I wonder if it's better than Luminar's denoise.  I am still looking at other possibilities but nothing seems to totally replace Photoshop.  Luminar is the closest, and I wanted it mainly for the newer filters that PS doesn't have, such as dehaze, clarity, etc.

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Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:

I don't remember the guy's name and it's not worth it to look it up. It is alluded to on their forum if you are that interested. Anyway, my opinion is based on my own experience with both Mac and Windows versions.

The Luminar 3 initial release was the buggiest, most incomplete software I have ever seen and my first computer was in 1981. The DAM is a big part of it. It was promised for 2018 and, to their credit, they made L3 (2019) free because I guess even they were ashamed. It's still largely unusable in its current form and is really not a DAM. It's still buggy if you do any heavy edits, at least on Windows. They have continually moved the goalposts on the feature roadmap. They made a promise for no paid upgrades for 2019, but weaseled out of that by calling L4 a completely different app. And it is. Instead of placing their apparently very limited programming resources on fixing L3, they shifted their priority to L4 and AI eye-candy. Small software for small minds. Great for the 1-click gimmick crowd. This has taken priority over fixing L3 and adding features promised for the 2018 and L3 versions. They claim they will still update L3 with *some* of the promised functionality, but that has been pushed back to next year in favor of their new cash cow gimmick. For me, they have lost credibility. But, it's your money.

I liked the concepts of L2018, but it crashed every few photos I tried to edit. For the free upgrade to L3, all I ever got was a spinning ball. I guess the DAM part launched automatically, I couldn't stop it, and I never got to try the program with its new additions because things never progressed beyond the spinning ball. Possibly my Mac and OS was too old for L3  (using El Capitan).  Eventually I got Flex, which was L3 without the DAM.  I'm guessing L3 was such a failure that Skylum had to remove the DAM, thus ended up with Flex.  I've been using it ever since with no problems at all, and I like it a lot, it never crashes. I download all my photos into Apple Photos, and that works well enough for me as a kind of DAM.  I probably don't even use Photos to its fullest capability, it's just where the photos stream into when I download from my cameras.  I don't know what to expect from L4.

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CMCM wrote:

Paul Barnard wrote:

CMCM wrote:

Lloyd O'Daniel wrote:

mangurian wrote:

True, there is some Sh*ty SW out there, but I have seen enough Luminar videos (third party) and finished photos to know that it can be a real time saver and produce excellent results when used by skilled hands.

Yeah, get back to us when you actually have and try to use the software. Relying on infomercials from compensated shills and sycophants doesn't cut it. (Even one of the main "ambassadors" has gotten conscience and recommends not to buy L4.)

Which ambassador?

I have bought 2 versions of both Aurora HDR and Luminar and neither currently reside on my computer.

What did you dislike about them?

You are right: there is sh*tty software out there as well as sh*tty companies. Making promises over a two year period to get people to invest then not delivering and now actually abandoning said promises for another paid upgrade going in a completely different direction meets the definition of the latter.

What promises? About the DAM?

the big failure is of course the DAM. A lot of people, myself included, bought into Luminar 2018 with the promise of a DAM. That promise was never delivered and the paid upgrade to 4 makes a lie of their promises to everyone who jumped in to get the DAM.
The other issue has been windows/OS X parity. Luminar on Windows has always lagged in terms of features and performance. Skylum was of course Macfun in a previous life so it’s not a surprise that the Mac got first bite of the cherry.

Skylum has already confirmed functional parity between windows and OSX for 4. They are extending their catalogue but it is still far from a DAM. That remains the broken promise and for sure some people are still torqued about being suckered by that promise.
For me personally, I find Luminar to be my go to editor, I do have the full Adobe CC suite, latest DXO, latest CaptureOne plus all the Topaz tools. It’s the simplicity of use for ‘normal’ editing that I like. It’s also fast on my, admittedly high end, Apple computers. I’ve also shifted to using an independent DAM which lets me launch any of my editors directly and gives me full control of my catalogue.

i won’t use products with a subscription service as I can’t deal with the idea of losing access to my edits if I stop paying the subscription. That’s a dilemma many people still using CS6 are about to face.

I guess I haven't been all that aware of the issues since I don't use a DAM and I'm not all that interested in one. I do download my photos into Apple Photos (which I guess qualifies as sort of a DAM), and that works well enough as a way to view photos.

Yes, the dilemma of the CS6 is my big issue. I'm determined to keep using it, so I've kept my two 2010 Macs to El Capitan, although I just experimented with loading CS6 onto my 2016 MBPro running High Sierra. It surprised me, but it did appear to load without a hitch. After loading from my original install disks, I was also able to do the updates on it to bring it to the final version. I thought Adobe might stop me when I entered the serial # since I already have CS6 on two computers, but putting it on this third computer didn't seem to cause a problem.

I downloaded several trials, I think I had DXO and maybe something form Topaz, but I was busy and didn't get the full benefit of the short trial periods. I'm still curious about Topaz for the denoise filter, although I wonder if it's better than Luminar's denoise. I am still looking at other possibilities but nothing seems to totally replace Photoshop. Luminar is the closest, and I wanted it mainly for the newer filters that PS doesn't have, such as dehaze, clarity, etc.

Looks like you get a bit longer to live. It all goes pear shaped with Catalina on OS-X. It’s 64 bit only. I’m having to keep one of my systems back for the SW that’s not been updated yet. Unfortunately some of it won’t be updated.  Which reminds me I’m going to have to release new versions of some of my apps.

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