Fuji-v-Smartphone

I am impressed by the new iPhones but am only going to either buy an iPhone 11 or a Fuji XE-3 with the new 16-80 f4 for 'street' shooting
I am looking for ease of shooting both in the sense of being able to get a shot fast (i.e. time from pocket to shutter press, including good framing, etc), and in the sense of discreetly (i.e. which makes you more obvious , if any)
Obviously one is much easer to carry, one will have better quality for enlargements, etc.
But I do wonder whether raising an iPhone to your eye makes people more, less or the same amount of self conscious , or whether it takes longer to compose using the iPhone (I always use the EVF/OVF on camera), or whether zooming is a slow inaccurate process on the iPhone, etc

So..price aside and for still photography only..........which should I get and and why?

From those that already have used smartphones to shoot and have actual experience to compare...our esteemed opinions please....
(yes I have read the reviews)

If your only concerns are convenience and speed of use, the smartphone will win hands-down.

My only problem, convenience-wise, with the smartphone is that I always have auto-rotation disabled, because I often read or browse or play games while I'm lying down. So when I start the camera, it's in portrait orientation and I have to enable auto-rotation before snapping, then shut auto-rotation back off after I'm done photographing. If I didn't do that, the image itself would be captured fine, but it'd be marked as portrait-oriented. Besides, all the on-screen controls are laid out for portrait orientation. Many people won't have this problem.

You can use this to compare IQ . As far as ease of use and ergonomics that will be a personal preference none of us can answer. But if I could summarize the experience for you.

Phones with Cameras will operate the same as all other phone apps. Non-tactile slippery touchscreen madness with limited settings. The phone will obviously take up less space.

Fuji will be very tactile with an number of settings and options.

crosson wrote:

You can use this to compare IQ . As far as ease of use and ergonomics that will be a personal preference none of us can answer. But if I could summarize the experience for you.

Phones with Cameras will operate the same as all other phone apps. Non-tactile slippery touchscreen madness with limited settings. The phone will obviously take up less space.

Fuji will be very tactile with an number of settings and options.

thanks - yes - your comments are helping me  nail down exactly what matters and it looks like its pocket ability v usability
Thing is I am very familyar with camera controls not with smartphone
So My question really is simpler I suppose- can a get a pic as fast with iPhone as camera(assuming both are already in hand) -
Minor White, Minor White, riding through the glen...(bis)

Assuming you’re serious, I wouldn’t consider an iPhone as a primary camera. I use a friend’s iPhone on occasion, and the image quality is nowhere near acceptable to me. I also wouldn’t consider the 16-80 for street. For me, it’s too large. I have the 18-55, and I consider it too large for street, and the 16-80 is even larger. Your mileage might vary.

dual12 wrote:

Assuming you’re serious, I wouldn’t consider an iPhone as a primary camera. I use a friend’s iPhone on occasion, and the image quality is nowhere near acceptable to me. I also wouldn’t consider the 16-80 for street. For me, it’s too large. I have the 18-55, and I consider it too large for street, and the 16-80 is even larger. Your mileage might vary.

good points thanks
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Minor White, Minor White, riding through the glen...(bis)

The best camera is the one you have with you. F8 and be there!

Now for serious photography a real camera in capable hands will usually win. I had two smartphones. What a pain when  the sun was on the OLED. On the other hand,how do I take 6 images in a microsecond, combine them, and present a final image. Even after a few glasses of wine.

Steve Bingham

Doug Pardee wrote:

IMy only problem, convenience-wise, with the smartphone is that I always have auto-rotation disabled, because I often read or browse or play games while I'm lying down. So when I start the camera, it's in portrait orientation and I have to enable auto-rotation before snapping, then shut auto-rotation back off after I'm done photographing. If I didn't do that, the image itself would be captured fine, but it'd be marked as portrait-oriented. Besides, all the on-screen controls are laid out for portrait orientation. Many people won't have this problem.

On my iPhone XR (iOS13), rotation lock is ignored by the camera app.

I ride the DC Metro regularly, and Apple has some very good poster prints out, showing what can be done with the iPhone.

At normal viewing distance even these 30"x40" (or larger) posters look just fine.  You don't want to get too close to some of them, though, because the image will usually just disintegrate at close distances.

Anyone asks me what is the best camera, I tell them start with your smartphone, and if you find it too hard to take lousy pictures buy yourself a real camera.  Because the smartphone will do its best to deliver usable photos at all times and under all conditions.  The photography skill is built right in.

Besides, a nice Fuji setup is more expensive than a smartphone.

The smartest thing for you to do is buy the iPhone and start taking photos. Then compare that to your camera experience. If you don't like it, just return it.

The X-E3 does have Automatic Point and Shoot mode, but have you also looked at the X-T100 or new XA7? Those are even closer to the auto everything phones give you.

dual12 wrote:

Assuming you’re serious, I wouldn’t consider an iPhone as a primary camera. I use a friend’s iPhone on occasion, and the image quality is nowhere near acceptable to me. I also wouldn’t consider the 16-80 for street. For me, it’s too large. I have the 18-55, and I consider it too large for street, and the 16-80 is even larger. Your mileage might vary.

I hear you. People see any camera and they get paranoid. Wave a smartphone around and nobody cares.

It's enough to make me want my very own smartphone.

paul simon king wrote:

I am impressed by the new iPhones but am only going to either buy an iPhone 11 or a Fuji XE-3 with the new 16-80 f4 for 'street' shooting
I am looking for ease of shooting both in the sense of being able to get a shot fast (i.e. time from pocket to shutter press, including good framing, etc), and in the sense of discreetly (i.e. which makes you more obvious , if any)
Obviously one is much easer to carry, one will have better quality for enlargements, etc.
But I do wonder whether raising an iPhone to your eye makes people more, less or the same amount of self conscious , or whether it takes longer to compose using the iPhone (I always use the EVF/OVF on camera), or whether zooming is a slow inaccurate process on the iPhone, etc

So..price aside and for still photography only..........which should I get and and why?

From those that already have used smartphones to shoot and have actual experience to compare...our esteemed opinions please....
(yes I have read the reviews)

My wife just picked up the iPhone 11 Pro mostly for its camera. She was never interested in photography before she had to use her iPhone X while on vacation and fell in love with it.

I have to say the iPhone 11 Pro can produce some very good images and she is out in the yard, in the woods, and every place else taking images.  Then she is bugging the Hell out of me to help her edit them.  There are mixed feelings about that.  I installed Luminar flex on her Mac so she could use Photos since I did not want to have to listen to her whine about teaching her C1.

So depending on what your want and on your final image destination - from what I have seen the iPone 11 is a very good option.

I think for street shooting you would benefit more from a smaller camera such as the Fuji x70. You can buy it used for around 300-400usd and still have plenty of cash to get a good phone.

Well I suppose it would be easy to discount iPhone pictures in a camera forum. I have been impressed with my new iPhone 11 Pro’s pictures and iOS 13.

When thinking about it I only appreciate the iPhone 11 Pro’ new photography features due to a deeper understanding that a dedicated camera brings. IMHO the new “Pro” only mimics the greater potential of a dedicated camera. This is not a snub of those that want an in pocket solution for their photography

When thinking about my 40 years+ of photography as a hobby, I certainly don’t get the same pleasure with the iPhone 11 Pro, that a do with a dedicated camera. My old school darkroom work at a camera store, through college, probably makes me dedicated camera centric, but I do appreciate new technology.

Could an iPhone 11 Pro user outdo me with my XPro-2? Well, maybe, but so far I just can’t totally get into abandoning photography with a multi-lens, dedicated camera system, even as a hobby. I just don’t get into the same groove and/or mindset while taking photos. I thank Fujifilm for that!

I absolutely love the way my iPhone XS Max handles these images. They are printed to 30x40 inches on metal. They really are so much better than my X-T2 and 16-55 could have done.

This thread doesn’t even make any sense to ask. Only you the asker knows what you want to do. These images stink and the 11 won’t do any better.

lewiedude2 wrote:

I absolutely love the way my iPhone XS Max handles these images. They are printed to 30x40 inches on metal. They really are so much better than my X-T2 and 16-55 could have done.

This thread doesn’t even make any sense to ask. Only you the asker knows what you want to do. These images stink and the 11 won’t do any better.

Yeah that phone did a much better job than the Pro2 I snuck in to see Gary Numan. /s