90D + Tamron 150-600 g2

Started Oct 11, 2019 | Discussions
DanInSoCal Senior Member • Posts: 1,006
Re: 90D + Tamron 150-600 g2

Your experience with blurry results with this lens at long shooting distances jives with my experience, before I calibrated with the TAP-IN console.

I found that I had some pretty significant shifts at 600/"far" compared to other combinations. I highly suggest taking the time to set up a test rig (simply taping a ruler to a wall and shooting it at an oblique angle will suffice) and running through a full calibration.

If after that it's still bad, I suggest contacting Tamron. I am getting good images with this lens. Not "magical" but certainly "usable".

Regards,
Dan

John Sheehy Forum Pro • Posts: 24,394
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thomste wrote:

or would have I encountered the same issue with the 100-400?

Same air?

Yes I am wondering if more expensive lenses handle 'bad air' better than cheaper ones or if all lenses are affected the same.
Just like some cameras handle low light better than others...

The air is part of the scene that any lens sees, just as much as your intended subject is. The worst situation is when the air between the lens and subject is better lit than the subject, even if you can't see that the air is lit with your eyes. A better lens does not fail to see some of what is really there. A better lens will show more of a loss relative to its potential, with bad atmosphere, even if the absolute result is only a small hair better because of the limits of the air.

You have made it clear that your lens can be sharp enough, in another environment, and your samples showed that nothing was very sharp at the shore, on the ground in front of and behind the subject, so it probably isn't front-focus or back-focus.

The only non-air possibility left is if the lens has a consistency problem due to temperature or something, like it had condensation on or in it at the shore (which could be from the air, too).

OP thomste Forum Member • Posts: 80
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Got better results in my garden today. I was also a lot closer which probably helped.

f8 1/4000 Iso2000 600mm

f8 1/2500 Iso2500  550mm

v30 Contributing Member • Posts: 779
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Those are great!

DanInSoCal Senior Member • Posts: 1,006
Re: 90D + Tamron 150-600 g2

thomste wrote:

Got better results in my garden today. I was also a lot closer which probably helped.

I envy your garden

These are so very different than the distance pictures you posted. I suggest finding a place where you can do an experiment with different distances and see if you find a discontinuity. Again I highly suggest doing a calibration with the Tamron Tap-In console; it made a world of difference for my copy.

Regards,
Dan

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thomste wrote:

Got better results in my garden today. I was also a lot closer which probably helped.

f8 1/4000 Iso2000 600mm

f8 1/2500 Iso2500 550mm

..Beautiful captures & pictures!..

..just take a picture of a subject along a fence or wall (like the picture I took below) to check your lens focus accuracy..

..thanks for sharing & happy snapping..

..Cheers, John..

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OP thomste Forum Member • Posts: 80
Re: 90D + Tamron 150-600 g2

DanInSoCal wrote:

thomste wrote:

Got better results in my garden today. I was also a lot closer which probably helped.

I envy your garden

These are so very different than the distance pictures you posted. I suggest finding a place where you can do an experiment with different distances and see if you find a discontinuity. Again I highly suggest doing a calibration with the Tamron Tap-In console; it made a world of difference for my copy.

Yes we are pretty lucky in Australia, lots of cool birds just outside the house.

I don't have the console Tap-in thing, does it do the calibration automatically or do you still have to use focus cards etc?

DanInSoCal Senior Member • Posts: 1,006
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thomste wrote:

Yes we are pretty lucky in Australia, lots of cool birds just outside the house.

I don't have the console Tap-in thing, does it do the calibration automatically or do you still have to use focus cards etc?

The console is not magical. It lets you push firmware updates to certain Tamron lenses, and lets you set zoom- and distance-specific focus adjustments (roughly, every 100mm of zoom, and 'close', 'medium', and 'far'). The process is completely manual.

You set up a focus target (a ruler taped to a wall, shot at an oblique angle, is sufficient; so is fine text or anything else like that, as long as you have a reliable, high-contrast focus target). Put the camera on a tripod, ideally, to remove some sources of error.

Start at the nearest calibration distance. Take a few shots at each zoom point. Look at the results and put in focus calibrations as needed. Iterate this procedure until your results are "spot on".

Copy all of these calibration values to the next shooting distance; repeat. The changes should not be, in my experience, very different. A little here or there, but not a lot. Finally, do the final shooting distance.

This dramatically increased my keeper rate. I was significantly back-focusing at most zoom distances, but then slightly front-focusing at 600mm.

Regards,
Dan

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thomste wrote:

Played a bit more with my 90D in the last couple of weeks and overcame a few of the initial challenges I had with focusing and proper exposure.

I find that +1/3 or 2/3 is usually necessary when I tended to go -1/3 on the 80D. I still find BIF challenging but most probably due to my technique and the Tamron may be being a bit slow or off AF wise. I use 9 points AF and weirdly the lens (or camera?) sometime picked the sky slightly above the bird (in the same 9 points group) rather than the bird....im not sure how to deal with this other than using a single focus point but then it makes catching the bird almost impossible...

Also, how do you guys use the joystick and back button focus at the same time? I like the joystick but had to revert to make the shutter do the focusing too.

Anyway, here is an example of a good shot I got in the garden tonight. ISO5000 cleaned with Topaze Denoise AI (which is amazing) then edited in LR

Anybody else using the Tamron 150-600 g2 for BIF?

90D f8 1/2500 ISO5000 - Tamron 150-600 g2 @600mm - cropped about 30%

Whatever you di, the end result is excellent. I never thought about getting Topaz to rid of the noise. Thank you for posting!

edit: After some googling for noise reduction SW, it seems that Luminar ties with Topaz if used correctly. If not, it eats stars. (a star specialist's experience)

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1Dx4me Forum Pro • Posts: 11,135
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fantastic shots, color is beautiful -- exposure and focus are right on!

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1Dx4me Forum Pro • Posts: 11,135
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look at your center focus dot, it is not on the subject, so no wonder why those 2 shot are not in focus. i would use center focus point  mode, it works real good for me! you have to realize that 3rd party lenses don't work that good with newer canon cameras but here, it looks like it is photographer's fault

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M75N New Member • Posts: 1
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thomste wrote:

Played a bit more with my 90D in the last couple of weeks and overcame a few of the initial challenges I had with focusing and proper exposure.

I find that +1/3 or 2/3 is usually necessary when I tended to go -1/3 on the 80D. I still find BIF challenging but most probably due to my technique and the Tamron may be being a bit slow or off AF wise. I use 9 points AF and weirdly the lens (or camera?) sometime picked the sky slightly above the bird (in the same 9 points group) rather than the bird....im not sure how to deal with this other than using a single focus point but then it makes catching the bird almost impossible...

Also, how do you guys use the joystick and back button focus at the same time? I like the joystick but had to revert to make the shutter do the focusing too.

Anyway, here is an example of a good shot I got in the garden tonight. ISO5000 cleaned with Topaze Denoise AI (which is amazing) then edited in LR

Anybody else using the Tamron 150-600 g2 for BIF?

I also use the same setup (90D + tamron G2) and find your pic really nice. Do you clean the rawfile before import to LR or how do you combine those two programs? Heard about Topaze but never tried it.

I also find BIF quite difficult and are traing on my teqniqe. I also ordered the tap in since I think it misses focus to often (more miss on longer distance).

This far I havent tried out both joystick and backbutton since I mostly shot at bif and then used one of the centerfocuspoints and didnt moved them around.

Best regards,

Martin

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You can download topaz denoise as a free 30 day trial.

Duckman21 Forum Member • Posts: 87
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I've been using this lens for the past few years with my 760D and 80D. The AF is quite good on both bodies, slightly better on the 80D. In most regards it's a step above my previous Sigma 150-500 which was quite poor for distant subjects wide open. My two issues are with the VC modes and misfocusing. With mode 1 VC, it seems like there is no cancelling when panning and even at 1/2000 and above I can still get added motion blur because I forget to turn off VC. Tamron suggests you turn it off, but often I don't have the time to switch to mode 2 and it's unassuring not to see a stabilized viewfinder image even at such high speeds.

With the tap-in console there is a "viewfinder priority" mode that can be selected for VC Mode 1. This just makes the image even more stable (great for handheld video) but further increases viewfinder lag. I also find that static VC images tend to have added haze or softness between every few shots.

Around 20m I tend to notice some misfocusing, typically front-focusing. I could never really figure this out on the tap-in console and much prefer using the AFMA on the 80D (unfortunately due to eyepiece damage I need to send it out for repair).

For close subjects I can still get away with 600mm wide open but on distant subjects I go up to f8-f11. Atmosphere is one problem but probably also the fact that this was designed for full-frame cameras. Dustin Abbott had a comparison between FF and crop sensor using this lens where the diffraction and softness was worse on the 80D than an FF body.

Does anyone here think iTR really improves tracking on the 90D? Gordon Laing said he tried everything including turning it off and the tracking is still bad.

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DanInSoCal Senior Member • Posts: 1,006
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Duckman21 wrote:

Does anyone here think iTR really improves tracking on the 90D? Gordon Laing said he tried everything including turning it off and the tracking is still bad.

From what I understand, iTR is specifically tuned to track *faces*. If you're doing peoples, use iTR. If you're no doing peoples, turn it off.

Dan

Duckman21 Forum Member • Posts: 87
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Not exactly on topic but has anyone tested this lens on EF-M camera using the Canon adapter? Was deciding whether to go for the 90D or M6 Mark II, but I've been reading mixed impressions on AF for some of Tamron's other lenses with older EOS M models.

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noellenchris Forum Member • Posts: 73
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Duckman21 wrote:

Not exactly on topic but has anyone tested this lens on EF-M camera using the Canon adapter? Was deciding whether to go for the 90D or M6 Mark II, but I've been reading mixed impressions on AF for some of Tamron's other lenses with older EOS M models.

I don't know if you decided on a camera, but I use it with my EOS R and it's accurate but slow focus.  Also found a bug where if you turn the power save to never turn off it freaks out the focus after a few minutes.  Anyhow, wish it wasn't so slow.  All the other G2 lenses that I have are fast and accurate.  I also have the 80D and it functions fine on it.

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Duckman21 Forum Member • Posts: 87
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noellenchris wrote:

Duckman21 wrote:

Not exactly on topic but has anyone tested this lens on EF-M camera using the Canon adapter? Was deciding whether to go for the 90D or M6 Mark II, but I've been reading mixed impressions on AF for some of Tamron's other lenses with older EOS M models.

I don't know if you decided on a camera, but I use it with my EOS R and it's accurate but slow focus. Also found a bug where if you turn the power save to never turn off it freaks out the focus after a few minutes. Anyhow, wish it wasn't so slow. All the other G2 lenses that I have are fast and accurate. I also have the 80D and it functions fine on it.

I decided to continue using my 80D (which I just received from repair last week)  for a while longer.

Did you update the lens firmware with the Tap-In Console? The latest update was supposed to improve EOS R compatibility specifically. Tamron said they couldn't guarantee support on the M6 Mark II and other EOS M cameras, but that the problem might be linked to the DIGIC 8 processor and probably addressed with that firmware update. I had contacted a local camera store regarding the matter and they said that the M6II seemed to work fine with the Tamron 150-600 G2, but that would be in a store setting. Someone on this forum had told me the G1 works great with the M6II as well.

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noellenchris Forum Member • Posts: 73
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Duckman21 wrote:

noellenchris wrote:

Duckman21 wrote:

Not exactly on topic but has anyone tested this lens on EF-M camera using the Canon adapter? Was deciding whether to go for the 90D or M6 Mark II, but I've been reading mixed impressions on AF for some of Tamron's other lenses with older EOS M models.

I don't know if you decided on a camera, but I use it with my EOS R and it's accurate but slow focus. Also found a bug where if you turn the power save to never turn off it freaks out the focus after a few minutes. Anyhow, wish it wasn't so slow. All the other G2 lenses that I have are fast and accurate. I also have the 80D and it functions fine on it.

I decided to continue using my 80D (which I just received from repair last week) for a while longer.

Did you update the lens firmware with the Tap-In Console? The latest update was supposed to improve EOS R compatibility specifically. Tamron said they couldn't guarantee support on the M6 Mark II and other EOS M cameras, but that the problem might be linked to the DIGIC 8 processor and probably addressed with that firmware update. I had contacted a local camera store regarding the matter and they said that the M6II seemed to work fine with the Tamron 150-600 G2, but that would be in a store setting. Someone on this forum had told me the G1 works great with the M6II as well.

Yes, I updated the firmware and did factory reset.  I figured it out by going to a Best Buy and explaining the issue to the Canon Rep.  I brought in my EOS R and Tamron 150-600 G2 and tried it on theirs.  It didn't go crazy, so I eventually narrowed it down to my settings on the C3 programmed mode.  I had it set to never turn off.  And after about 3min it would be in like a hyper focus mode and it can't obtain focus.  Cycle power off then on would fix it.  So the default setting for the EOS R is to turn off after 3min, and it's a "Soft" off mode, any press of a button turns it on and that power cycle masks the issue.

The focus is not as fast as my 80D and it's hard for BIF as looking through the eye piece quickly when you see a flying bird the focus is slower and by the time it wakes up and screen comes on , you lose a lot of good shots.  The optical viewfinder is like binoculars and you can track/see the subject much faster.  IMO.

Chris

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