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would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

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TRIODEROB
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would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

would I be foolish for buying the RX 100 (5) version and a housing for underwater ?

Sony RX100 V
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daveco2
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Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

I started with an RX100IV in Fantasea housing.  It's a great setup with onboard flash for TTL via fiberoptic, compact for easy travelling, easy to handle in water, excellent for topside tourist shooting, and good for Milky Way shots without a guider.

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PHXAZCRAIG
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Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

Depends on whether you could get something better for the same or less money, I guess.   The RX100 is a decent basic underwater pont-n-shoot.

I have use the RX100 II in a Nauticam housing with dual strobes.   Compared to the Canon point-n-shoots I had before, it was a wonderful camera taking beautiful detailed images.   But most of that was due to finally using strobes.   Without them it's just another point-n-shoot, though version V may be somewhat better there.  My experience was that the autofocus wasn't any better than the Canon's I had been using (SD870is, S95, now s120).   The MENU system was significantly worse than the Canons, and it caused me issues using it underwater.    The print was so small I had to over-brighten the LCD display to use it, and then I had to judge exposure using the histogram as the display otherwise made everything look overexposed.

So basically, RX100 good camera, poor ergonomics.

Compared to the D810 and D850 that followed it, the RX100 II was definitely not as clear, nor as detailed, and you could tell the glass was a bit of the issue.

The positives to the camera (again version II) were 20mp 1 inch sensor gave better performance (dynamic range) than my previous smaller-sensor cameras.  Better low light performance in ambient.  Small size means easy to carry housing and lenses.

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Barmaglot_07 Contributing Member • Posts: 633
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

Not at all. It's an excellent camera for underwater usage, with an autofocus system radically better than the previous models (IV and below), along with a very fast strobe sync speed and great video capability. There are plenty of housings at different price points, and it's so small that the housings remain light and compact. The battery life is somewhat of a weak point, so have some spares on hand and be prepared to swap them between dives. It can do macro with a close-up lens, but the 70mm equivalent maximum focal length is too short for supermacro, so look at models VI and VII if that's your thing.

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kelpdiver Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

PHXAZCRAIG wrote:

Compared to the D810 and D850 that followed it, the RX100 II was definitely not as clear, nor as detailed, and you could tell the glass was a bit of the issue.

well, there's a fair comparison.   Come on.   The glass you use in your FF costs more than the RX camera.  The port you favor costs more than it plus the housing.

For someone more video focused, the RX line is worthwhile.    It's not the right choice for those with an interest in macro.

The generations differ considerably, with different pluses and minuses, one reason why you can still purchase many of them.

peterak Regular Member • Posts: 145
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

Here's a favorable—and in my opinion, accurate—review:

Mozaik RX100 V review

This article compares the various RX100 models:

RX100 comparison

By the way, the V has been replaced by the VA—same camera, different firmware.

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Sarahbee Regular Member • Posts: 346
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?
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daveco2 wrote:

I started with an RX100IV in Fantasea housing. It's a great setup with onboard flash for TTL via fiberoptic, compact for easy travelling, easy to handle in water, excellent for topside tourist shooting, and good for Milky Way shots without a guider.

I'm not sure I can add a lot more to the above except to say I used the RX100 III in a Fantasea housing on my 4th trip to St. John and the results were a major upgrade from what I was getting with a waterproof point-n-shoot. I shot it jpg + RAW in order to have maximum flexibility in editing the photos after. I was snorkeling, therefore not going deep, so using the camera without lights was just fine. I've since upgraded to the RX100 V (fits in the same housing!) and am looking forward to the better autofocus and other improvements.

+1 for the fact that this camera is also great for dry-land shooting.

The only thing that I had a bit of trouble with, but had been warned about ahead of time, is that the camera can get pretty warm, especially if shooting video. When this happened to me (with the RX100 III) it made the interior of the housing fog up and lost a half day of shooting ability while it dried out. SILICA PACKS HELP avoid this. I have a big bag of them to take with me next time. And I don't know if it's still a problem on the V.

I don't know why I haven't uploaded most of my underwater photos from St John 2017 to my web site (will fix that later tonight) but here is one of the two I did upload:

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TRIODEROB
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Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

great photo  ….. and what a great camera

Dann-Oh Contributing Member • Posts: 894
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

I'm glad you all agree this is a good camera.  I just bought the RX100Va and the Fantasea FRX100VA VAC housing.  I am also using the Kraken Hydra 1000-WSR+ as a focus light/strobe.

I don't have funds available to get proper strobes so I am using my handheld light attached to the cold shoe of my housing.  I can post a photo if you want to see the adapter.

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kelpdiver Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
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if you have the threads, the wefine ring macro light can be a good alternate to strobes as well, runs in the $300 ballpark.

Skalis Junior Member • Posts: 29
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

Anyone using the rx100 vi or vii underwater? I can see a few housing options on the net, but none are available over counter here in Stockholm.

PHXAZCRAIG
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Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

I've' used the RX1000 II for years, though it is now a backup camera. Essentially its limitations underwater are similar to above water shooting in dimmer lighting conditions, along with needing some special settings. If the latest versions of the RX100 have a lot faster autofocus than my version, especially in dimmer lighting, then it should be pretty good underwater too.

As for the special settings, that's only a concern when needing to change things underwater. The Sony menu system has historically been disorganized and overly complicated coupled with small print making it needlessly difficult to change settings in dimmer lighting. (As compared to Canon's menu system.)

I think DPReview also currently has a comparison of the RX100 VII lens versus the Canon GX5 and GX7 here: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/8249297755/sony-rx100-vi-vs-canon-g5-x-ii-vs-canon-g7-x-iii-which-has-the-best-lens

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kelpdiver Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
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Skalis wrote:

Anyone using the rx100 vi or vii underwater? I can see a few housing options on the net, but none are available over counter here in Stockholm.

I've not used any of them, but I got the sense that the last two models were developed for above water needs, so you might do better with the older ones.

Not the best choice for macro.

Barmaglot_07 Contributing Member • Posts: 633
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kelpdiver wrote:

Skalis wrote:

Anyone using the rx100 vi or vii underwater? I can see a few housing options on the net, but none are available over counter here in Stockholm.

I've not used any of them, but I got the sense that the last two models were developed for above water needs, so you might do better with the older ones.

Not the best choice for macro.

Backscatter review of RX100 VI is actually singing praises to its macro capability: https://www.backscatter.com/reviews/post/Sony-RX100-VI-Underwater-Camera-Review

It's a challenge to house, requiring a port system and giving up the flexibility of earlier models, but for macro it has some distinct advantages.

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kelpdiver Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

heh - it's a funny model line.  Each generation has its advantages, but unlike most, you can't assume the next gen is a drop in replacement.

pragmatically, since housings rarely work for the next model, doesn't really matter.  The gx7 III doesn't fit the II housing, could have called one Alpha and the other Orange.

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kelpdiver wrote:

heh - it's a funny model line. Each generation has its advantages, but unlike most, you can't assume the next gen is a drop in replacement.

Depends on the housing. Meikon/SeaFrogs has a housing that fits RX100 models I through V, and another that fits models III through VII. The latter has interchangeable ports and a vacuum system.

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kelpdiver Veteran Member • Posts: 5,564
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Barmaglot_07 wrote:

kelpdiver wrote:

heh - it's a funny model line. Each generation has its advantages, but unlike most, you can't assume the next gen is a drop in replacement.

Depends on the housing. Meikon/SeaFrogs has a housing that fits RX100 models I through V, and another that fits models III through VII. The latter has interchangeable ports and a vacuum system.

by drop in, I mean "behaves similarly."   The G7x II and III play to pretty much the same strengths.   The 7 versus the 5 have different points.   Similarly, Panasonics GHn series focused on video over stills.   The Oympus OM1 series was the other way.

With Sony, every generation is a new set of optimizations.  In most regards, they're just throwing spegheti at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Dann-Oh Contributing Member • Posts: 894
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I was able to take my RX100Va out for a day of scuba diving this past weekend. one thing I need to note is yes the Va has an F1.8 lens but that DoF is WAY WAY to shallow to image at while underwater.

Here are a few photos for you to enjoy. Note these photos were captured with a 1000 lumen flashlight (Kraken Hydra 1000+WSR) as a constant light and the cameras onboard flash as a fill light.

this was captured with ambient light only

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Skalis Junior Member • Posts: 29
Re: would the Sony RX100 V be a bad option for underwater ?

Barmaglot_07 wrote:

kelpdiver wrote:

Skalis wrote:

Anyone using the rx100 vi or vii underwater? I can see a few housing options on the net, but none are available over counter here in Stockholm.

I've not used any of them, but I got the sense that the last two models were developed for above water needs, so you might do better with the older ones.

Not the best choice for macro.

Backscatter review of RX100 VI is actually singing praises to its macro capability: https://www.backscatter.com/reviews/post/Sony-RX100-VI-Underwater-Camera-Review

It's a challenge to house, requiring a port system and giving up the flexibility of earlier models, but for macro it has some distinct advantages.

Thanks for the link! Have you tried it yourself ?

/Tom

Barmaglot_07 Contributing Member • Posts: 633
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Skalis wrote:

Thanks for the link! Have you tried it yourself ?

/Tom

I haven't. RX100 V was on my short list when I started putting together my underwater system in early 2017, but I opted to go with the A6300.

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