M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

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confusedbagels New Member • Posts: 2
M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?
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Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

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Lemming51
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Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

confusedbagels wrote:

Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, sure. First thing I looked for (said the totally video-ignorant guy pretending to know what the hell any of that means. )

"HDMI recording
Menu-selected user choices for HDMI output with info (images recorded to the SD card); Clean 4K output, or Clean Full HD output. With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI."

I see they keep mentioning "Clean" output. That means no nekkid stuff, right?

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Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,476
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

Lemming51 wrote:

confusedbagels wrote:

Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, sure. First thing I looked for (said the totally video-ignorant guy pretending to know what the hell any of that means. )

"HDMI recording
Menu-selected user choices for HDMI output with info (images recorded to the SD card); Clean 4K output, or Clean Full HD output. With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI."

I see they keep mentioning "Clean" output. That means no nekkid stuff, right?

Not sure that 10bit 4:2:2 2.8K upscaled to 4K will make a difference.

KEG
KEG Senior Member • Posts: 2,971
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?
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Mirfak wrote:

Lemming51 wrote:

confusedbagels wrote:

Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, sure. First thing I looked for (said the totally video-ignorant guy pretending to know what the hell any of that means. )

"HDMI recording
Menu-selected user choices for HDMI output with info (images recorded to the SD card); Clean 4K output, or Clean Full HD output. With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI."

I see they keep mentioning "Clean" output. That means no nekkid stuff, right?

Not sure that 10bit 4:2:2 2.8K upscaled to 4K will make a difference.

2.8K how? (6960/2 gives 3.5K video) or the sensor is actually using a frame size of 7680x4320 which would make it multi aspect ratio (unlikely) or the image processing pipeline has been optimized to the degree where the sensor is able to sample 6960 down to 3840 in real time

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Miguel-C
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Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

Mirfak wrote:

Lemming51 wrote:

confusedbagels wrote:

Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, sure. First thing I looked for (said the totally video-ignorant guy pretending to know what the hell any of that means. )

"HDMI recording
Menu-selected user choices for HDMI output with info (images recorded to the SD card); Clean 4K output, or Clean Full HD output. With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI."

I see they keep mentioning "Clean" output. That means no nekkid stuff, right?

Not sure that 10bit 4:2:2 2.8K upscaled to 4K will make a difference.

It will if u want ou do colour grading.

Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,476
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

Miguel-C wrote:

Mirfak wrote:

Lemming51 wrote:

confusedbagels wrote:

Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, sure. First thing I looked for (said the totally video-ignorant guy pretending to know what the hell any of that means. )

"HDMI recording
Menu-selected user choices for HDMI output with info (images recorded to the SD card); Clean 4K output, or Clean Full HD output. With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI."

I see they keep mentioning "Clean" output. That means no nekkid stuff, right?

Not sure that 10bit 4:2:2 2.8K upscaled to 4K will make a difference.

It will if u want ou do colour grading.

Not necessarily. I've seen a particular suite of tests done by a Hollywood filmmaker and color grading expert who concluded that you have to do extensive grading before banding and other artifacts appear in 8bit. He mentioned that Sony's S-Log3 should be avoided because the that log profile is too flat for grading in 8bit video. He thought that S-Log2 was fine because the needed grading was mild.

Miguel-C
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Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

Mirfak wrote:

Miguel-C wrote:

Mirfak wrote:

Lemming51 wrote:

confusedbagels wrote:

Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, sure. First thing I looked for (said the totally video-ignorant guy pretending to know what the hell any of that means. )

"HDMI recording
Menu-selected user choices for HDMI output with info (images recorded to the SD card); Clean 4K output, or Clean Full HD output. With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI."

I see they keep mentioning "Clean" output. That means no nekkid stuff, right?

Not sure that 10bit 4:2:2 2.8K upscaled to 4K will make a difference.

It will if u want ou do colour grading.

Not necessarily. I've seen a particular suite of tests done by a Hollywood filmmaker and color grading expert who concluded that you have to do extensive grading before banding and other artifacts appear in 8bit. He mentioned that Sony's S-Log3 should be avoided because the that log profile is too flat for grading in 8bit video. He thought that S-Log2 was fine because the needed grading was mild.

Depends on the camera I guess, the video on my m5 breaks apart really easily with minimal HSL modifications.

P runar Regular Member • Posts: 295
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

the 4k internal on memory card is 860MB/min... does anybody know the file size of the external uncompressed 4.2.2/10bit ?

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Mirfak Senior Member • Posts: 1,476
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

Miguel-C wrote:

Mirfak wrote:

Miguel-C wrote:

Mirfak wrote:

Lemming51 wrote:

confusedbagels wrote:

Found this quote buried in an overview of the M6 Mark II's video capabilities:

With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI.

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/learn/education/topics/article/2019/august/4k-and-full-hd-video-with-the-eos-m6-mark-ii

Hadn't seen that feature mentioned anywhere else. Was curious if anyone had seen it reported elsewhere.

Oh, yeah, sure. First thing I looked for (said the totally video-ignorant guy pretending to know what the hell any of that means. )

"HDMI recording
Menu-selected user choices for HDMI output with info (images recorded to the SD card); Clean 4K output, or Clean Full HD output. With clean output, compatible HDMI recorders can be connected with appropriate HDMI cords. During Clean HDMI out, video is not recorded to an in-camera SD card. With compatible external recorders, Uncompressed 4:2:2, 10-bit files can be recorded via HDMI."

I see they keep mentioning "Clean" output. That means no nekkid stuff, right?

Not sure that 10bit 4:2:2 2.8K upscaled to 4K will make a difference.

It will if u want ou do colour grading.

Not necessarily. I've seen a particular suite of tests done by a Hollywood filmmaker and color grading expert who concluded that you have to do extensive grading before banding and other artifacts appear in 8bit. He mentioned that Sony's S-Log3 should be avoided because the that log profile is too flat for grading in 8bit video. He thought that S-Log2 was fine because the needed grading was mild.

Depends on the camera I guess, the video on my m5 breaks apart really easily with minimal HSL modifications.

Fair point.

KEG
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Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

Given 30 fps, around 17GB/m

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KEG wrote:

Given 30 fps, around 17GB/m

Each 8MP frame is around 10MB, each pixel is 10 bits or 1.25 bytes

at 30 fps we have 1800 frames per minute, 1800 x 10 MB = 18 GB

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P runar Regular Member • Posts: 295
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

KEG wrote:

KEG wrote:

Given 30 fps, around 17GB/m

Each 8MP frame is around 10MB, each pixel is 10 bits or 1.25 bytes

at 30 fps we have 1800 frames per minute, 1800 x 10 MB = 18 GB

Thanks KEG ,  it's gonna be big file's,,, i will be using the internal 8bit for the most,

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OP confusedbagels New Member • Posts: 2
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

P runar wrote:

KEG wrote:

KEG wrote:

Given 30 fps, around 17GB/m

Each 8MP frame is around 10MB, each pixel is 10 bits or 1.25 bytes

at 30 fps we have 1800 frames per minute, 1800 x 10 MB = 18 GB

Thanks KEG , it's gonna be big file's,,, i will be using the internal 8bit for the most,

True. However, most external recorders can record the uncompressed stream at a variety resolutions and bitrates. If your recorder can do some flavors of ProRes here are a few example bitrates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_ProRes

gjeric New Member • Posts: 23
Re: M6 Mark II can record 4:2:2 10-bit external?

Anyone with Atomos and M6mk2 that can confirm if its possible to get 4.2.2 10bit video?

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