* Wed C&C "No Theme" Thread #594 on 2019 09 11 *

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* Wed C&C "No Theme" Thread #594 on 2019 09 11 *

Welcome to the Wednesday Comments and Critique (No Theme) thread!

We are continuing the great tradition of this C&C thread because we are convinced that looking at and talking about images is vital for better photography.

The idea is simple: you post an image and get critique on it, and in return give other people your opinion of their images, or vice versa.

Please post your image (or essay) in a reply to this very first message in the thread, and not in a reply to someone else's message. This keeps the thread tidy, with a sequence of images and then the comments on those images right under them. Threaded view of the thread is recommended to see what we mean.

Generally, you should post only ONE SINGLE IMAGE for C&C.

TWO EXCEPTIONS and a VARIATION:

  1. You may post two pictures resulting from one shutter release but with different treatment (for example a color and a black & white version, or a different crop) for us to choose from and comment on. You may also post in a single post, two images that are closely related in subject or style.
  2. The thread is also open for the contribution of a Photo Essay of three or more images that should be viewed as a whole and that tell a specific story.
  3. If you want to submit to C&C more than one image (while they do not form an essay or are not closely related), please submit the different images each in their own separate sub thread. This new rule has been created in order to have a greater variety of images in “slow” weeks with few participants. In a “busy” week, please limit yourself to a single submission (image or essay) in order to give as many participants as possible a change to participate.

TWO RULES:

  1. If you post an image, you should critique at least one other image. If you post more than one image, please make an effort to post comments on at least a few images of other members.
  2. Keep your comments honest but polite. If you don’t care for an image try to explain why. This is neither a “Good shot!” nor an image-bashing thread.

Any style, any camera.

Feedback is guaranteed (-for up to 48 h after the thread has started)! Though keep in mind that the thread tends to be busiest during the first 24 hours or so, so later image posts may get little feedback.

HOW TO PLAY:

Single Images

  1. Change the title so we can sort different images out easily!
  2. Remember to add the EXIF if your image doesn't embed it as this may help
  3. Consider telling us what your own opinion on your image is. What prompted you to click that shutter button? What did you see? Why do you like the result? You don't have to explain, but it might be interesting.
  4. You are very welcome to post a group reply to the feedback you have received. This could include a new version of your image modified in response to the comments.

Photo Essays

The idea is that the posted images should be related and together try to tell a story about a place, an event, a travel you made, a (group of) person(s), a hobby or whatever is fit for an essay.

  1. Suggested number of images : minimum 3 and maximum 12 but numbers may vary.
  2. It is allowed (and encouraged) to include some verbal narrative IF you think that helps explain the essay, but text is not required. You can choose to let the images speak for themselves.
  3. Individual technical data of the separate photos is not required, but you can of course give information that you deem relevant.
  4. If you post a series, you commit yourself to critique at least one other series (if there are any; if not critique at least one image...). To make a distinction with the C&C of single images, we feel that comments should not focus on individual images, but on the series as a series. This can cover multiple angles :
  • do you think the series tells the story well?
  • how about the sequence and pace : would you sequence the images differently, and if so, why?
  • is there enough consistency in cropping, angles, PP treatment : does it really feel like a series or is it just a collection of shots?
  • do you think one image is a real highlight, or are there one or more images that would better be removed to prune the essay to a leaner and meaner series?
  • do you think a certain angle of the place/event/... is sorely missing from the story?
  • et cetera

IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, WELCOME! AND BE SURE TO READ THIS:

  • The critique you give is vital. What was your first impression? What catches your eye about an image? Why? What do you like, and what distracts you? What would you change?
  • Fiddle with the image in your head - composition, perspective, color balance, exposure.
  • It is understood that unless the original poster specifically states that they do not want an altered image posted that you are free to alter the posted image and repost it in a reply for C&C purposes (no use for other purposes!). That reposted image may remain permanently or you may remove it after a short period of time if you prefer. No copyright disputes here!
  • More general feedback is also welcome. Do you know something about taking the same sort of image that would make matters easier - share your own as an example in your reply. Encourage - it is a scary business putting your work up for other people to judge!
  • Finally what is the verdict? Waste-bin? Snapshot? Could be better? Family Album? Frame on wall? Poster-size frame on wall? Billboard? Reuters? World Press Photo? National Geographic? Museum? (pick your own superlative here)

One of the first replies is “The Related Post”. This is the place to post your general musings about the C&C Thread.

In another of the first replies, the “Archives”, you can find the links (and cumulative links) to ALL our previous editions. Enjoy the time-travel!

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*ARCHIVES*

2019:

Week 593 on 2019/09/04: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63062013

Week 592 on 2019/08/28: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63035452

Week 591 on 2019/08/21: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63011185

Week 590 on 2019/08/14: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62987688

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Week 584 on 2019/07/03: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62844257

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Week 570 on 2019/03/27: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62480718

Week 569 on 2019/02/20: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62451794

Week 568 on 2019/03/13: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62423018

Week 567 on 2019/03/06: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62393689

Week 566 on 2019/02/27: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62362826

Week 565 on 2019/02/20: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62333051

Week 564 on 2019/02/13: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62300660

Week 563 on 2019/02/06: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62271059

Week 562 on 2019/01/30: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62240608

Week 561 on 2019/01/23: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62208723

Week 560 on 2019/01/16: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62179987

Week 559 on 2019/01/09: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62150658

Week 558 on 2019/01/02: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62119741

Links to Year Summary of All Previous Editions:

2018 https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62119743

2017 https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/60619049

2016 https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/58941978

2015 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57004809

2014 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55055459

2013 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52814278

2012 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50996742

2011 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/40228457

2010 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/37375543

2009 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/34168706

2008 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/30596254

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Dry-Dock

Two versions of the same image, from a trip last Sunday to the old municipal dry-docks in the historic part of the Antwerp harbour:

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Fox328 Senior Member • Posts: 1,384
London Underground

Sometimes you don't have time enough to view all the pictures you've taken. A "problem" introduced by digital photography when te limitation of taking only 24 pictures was lifted. While testing a new printer yesterday i came across this picture, which somehow was new to me.

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More on the Sulphur porters

This series is rather longer and bends our rules.  I jammed more in so that I am not on the same topic for too many weeks. Next week, shots of the volcano itself.

I went to Kawah Ijen with a photography crazy friend, Heinz. He has been working on an ambition to climb every volcano in Java above 3000 metres and shoot it at dawn. When he discovered the sulphur porters he set up a number of programs to help them. Mine are just record shots but they give an idea of the project. Here’s an interview with Heinz and some of his shots.

http://www.baliadventureguide.com/interviews/interview-with-heinz-vol-holzen/

He had trolleys designed and constructed to make carrying bigger loads easier. The porters work as they do in the hope that their children will have a better future. Heinz has been assisting the school and children. The clothes of the porters disintegrate from the fumes. He brings up supplies of used clothing for them to wear at work.

Human nature, being what it is…The porters found that tourists would pay to be taken up and down the volcano in the carts. This pays better than carrying sulphur. So some trollies were modified. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a shot of them in use. More human nature…The porters keep some of the old baskets because tourists prefer to photograph hem using the old baskets across their shoulders.

Heinz brings up spare parts for the porter’s trollies. Here are porters with spare tyres and brake parts that came on our trip.

Not all the donated clothes are appropriate when unpacked.

A new toilet block was opened at the school.

Heinz and schoolchildren.

A porter

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minniev Veteran Member • Posts: 3,250
Requisite Trip to Familia Sagrada - Photo Story

I understood before going to Barcelona that Familia Sagrada was required viewing, so we got advance tickets to avoid the long hot lines and hailed an early taxi to be in the first groups to enter. Still, it was a daunting experience - a massive, convoluted and not yet complete after 100 years structure filled to the brim with tourists. The size of the thing makes it hard enough to photograph, and the crowds complete the challenge.

I tried to think of something I could do that might be different, and all I could come up with was to photograph at slightly off center angles to create visually the sense of imbalance and chaos I felt in this thing. So the visual worrisome-ness is purposeful.  Of course I'm not sure any of that works. But anyway.

Scott Whittemore
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A Long Story

Long ago, deep in the Earth’s crust somewhere in what is now North America, maybe Northern New England or Eastern Canada, a surge of magma somehow caused a layer of bedrock to fracture and be inundated by hot silica-rich fluid. The fluid lacked the heat to melt the bedrock but was probably hot enough to bake and alter it. Eventually, this slurry cooled off and hardened, forming what is known as a breccia.

Some huge span of time later, subsequent tectonic activity had further tortured the breccia and erosion at the surface had removed enough of its overburden to bring it within reach of weathering, erosion, and glacial action. One large chunk of the breccia broke off at some point and became entrained in glacial ice. For many thousands of years, it tumbled along, scraping and colliding with other materials at the base of a huge glacier. By the time the glaciers receded, something like 12,500 years ago, the battered breccia boulder and its accompanying glacial till were located in what is now Eastern Massachusetts.

Over many more thousands of years, the boulder sat quietly, buried in glacial till and subsequent deposits of sediment and decaying vegetable matter. Shallow enough to be regularly exposed to oxygen-rich, slightly acidic aqueous solutions percolating down through the soil from above, the boulder’s outer surface slowly etched and eroded. The fragments of that original bedrock were slightly softer and eroded faster than the harder quartz-rich glue that held them together.

Finally, maybe a couple hundred years ago, a farmer probably dug the boulder out of a field he wanted to cultivate.

And then, in April 2006, passing that field on my way to work at about sunrise, I finally made the decision to stop and photograph it.

I’m posting two versions of this image. The version I now include in my online galleries followed by the original version.

Thanks for reading the long story.

Current Modified Version

...

The original (with minor color/tonality adjustments and some sharpening):

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Asteroid that killed the dinosaurs

This rock may be related to the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs story released a few days ago. The rock core samples drilled by the scientist in the story look very similar.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/dinosaurs-asteroid-atom-bombs

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Re: A Long Story

Interesting read Scott and I like the new edit.  I am not sure why flipping the image makes a difference but I think it is significant to me.  A fine editing job as well!

Andrew

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Re: More on the Sulphur porters

A fitting wind up to the images and stories presented here and last week Mike.  A little sad to see the gentleman in the last smoking but that is not the worst of what he has been breathing.

As an aside, I worked a few summers in a steel mill in Hamilton while attending university.  They had a 'pickling line' where cold rolled steel went through acid baths to remove the oil from the steel.  The long time workers there did not look very healthy to me and me had only a couple of teeth left in their mouths.  I suspect their clothing did not last long either.

Andrew

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Photo exhibition space ..

Photo exhibition space and for a cup of coffee etc. (when open).

An explanation: giving comments is less and at random / arbitrary, it will stay that way for the time being because the recovery time I need takes up quite a lot of time and is sometimes difficult. Rehabilitation is not only long-term but often quite intensive and tiresome. So it is no unwillingness. Maybe I'm also not here for a week or a few weeks. However, I always look at the contributions

Thanks for your understanding,
Lou

Scott Whittemore
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Re: Photo exhibition space ..

Sorry to hear that you are ailing, Lou. I wish you a speedy and complete recovery.

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Trying to remember horses

Shown at the county fair -- a bred-to-miniature horse.

Original view usually best.

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The Riches of Frankfurt and Venice

Taken recently during an exhibition of Titian and the Venetian Renaissance masters

Pete

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Re: The Riches of Frankfurt and Venice

P3T3S wrote:

Taken recently during an exhibition of Titian and the Venetian Renaissance masters

Pete

The past contemplates the present. Warm/soft colours and curves contrast with the shades of steel, concrete, straight lines and angles. Allowing the pole to run from edge to edge further creates the present/past division. It would have been neat to have an angle that allowed the face to be on the left looking to buildings on the right. But we photographers have to work with what we get.

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Mike Fewster Veteran Member • Posts: 7,253
Re: Trying to remember horses

Zindanfel wrote:

Shown at the county fair -- a bred-to-miniature horse.

Original view usually best.

Caged animals always make me feel sad and often angry. Here, the focus is on the wire of the cage and the soft focus of the horse reduces it to a shadow of what it might be.

The height of the feedbin hints at the scale of the horse although I wouldn't have picked this up without your accompanying text. Extreme animal breeding bothers me as well.

Your shot presses many of my buttons.

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Re: Photo exhibition space ..

LouHolland wrote:

Photo exhibition space and for a cup of coffee etc. (when open).

An explanation: giving comments is less and at random / arbitrary, it will stay that way for the time being because the recovery time I need takes up quite a lot of time and is sometimes difficult. Rehabilitation is not only long-term but often quite intensive and tiresome. So it is no unwillingness. Maybe I'm also not here for a week or a few weeks. However, I always look at the contributions

Thanks for your understanding,
Lou

The shot is composed to use the visual elements of the architecture as intended by the designer. The repetition of pillars and the spines of the vaulted ceiling elevate our response to loftier planes. As does the sombre sepia . Maybe it is the lighting or maybe a reverse vignette has been applied? Either way, the increase in shadow as our eye moves to the same area as suggested by the perspective, again augments the sober, formal mood.

I can't decide whether or not I think that the handrail in the foreground helps or distracts?

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Fox328 Senior Member • Posts: 1,384
Re: Dry-Dock

RoelHendrickx wrote:

Two versions of the same image, from a trip last Sunday to the old municipal dry-docks in the historic part of the Antwerp harbour:

A picture of part of a very massive building. The angle gives a lot to think about how it's been used in practice. Since the colored one is already almost monochrome and reveals more of the building i prefer that one.

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Re: More on the Sulphur porters

Mike Fewster wrote:

This series is rather longer and bends our rules. I jammed more in so that I am not on the same topic for too many weeks. Next week, shots of the volcano itself.

I went to Kawah Ijen with a photography crazy friend, Heinz. He has been working on an ambition to climb every volcano in Java above 3000 metres and shoot it at dawn. When he discovered the sulphur porters he set up a number of programs to help them. Mine are just record shots but they give an idea of the project. Here’s an interview with Heinz and some of his shots.

http://www.baliadventureguide.com/interviews/interview-with-heinz-vol-holzen/

He had trolleys designed and constructed to make carrying bigger loads easier. The porters work as they do in the hope that their children will have a better future. Heinz has been assisting the school and children. The clothes of the porters disintegrate from the fumes. He brings up supplies of used clothing for them to wear at work.

Human nature, being what it is…The porters found that tourists would pay to be taken up and down the volcano in the carts. This pays better than carrying sulphur. So some trollies were modified. Unfortunately, I didn’t get a shot of them in use. More human nature…The porters keep some of the old baskets because tourists prefer to photograph hem using the old baskets across their shoulders.

Heinz brings up spare parts for the porter’s trollies. Here are porters with spare tyres and brake parts that came on our trip.

Not all the donated clothes are appropriate when unpacked.

A new toilet block was opened at the school.

Heinz and schoolchildren.

A porter

A very impressive narrative with very illustrative pictures. I think the ones with the bra, the new toilet block and the school children are special. The last one is a beautiful one to see.

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