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Is there life after aperture block failure?

Started Sep 4, 2019 | Questions
OP petebfrance Contributing Member • Posts: 757
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

Historicity wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

Peter,

The last time I recall the aperture block problem being discussed, the K-70 was mentioned as a possible candidate for having it, but at that time no one knew of an actual account. Now on another thread Tosiva (sp?) mentions having a K-70 with the aperture block. I wonder if there are other accounts that anyone knows about. I don't have the K50 but I do have the K70 & so have some concern.

Lawrence

I hope you don't get the problem.  From what I've seen on Pentaxforums and here It does seem to be less likely on the K70, so fingers crossed!

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Pete

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OP petebfrance Contributing Member • Posts: 757
Re: Buy a K-3 or a K-3 II

Smitty1 wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

I don't know if anyone has suggested this and frankly I don't have the desire to go through the 60+ other posts to check.

Buy a K-3 or K-3 II and be done with it. The higher end bodies didn't suffer such a failure since they seem to use a different shutter and motor.

Plus you'll get a better handling body, improved autofocus, faster burst rate, deeper buffer, support for a battery grip, dual card slots, much improved metering, larger magnification viewfinder, mag alloy frame with possibly better sealing, and better KAF4 support for newer lenses. etc etc etc

Plus they're cheap on the second hand market if you shop around.

I did look into that for a while after the problem happened, then decided to try the battery insert approach.  It isn't perfect but a lot cheaper than buying another body.  Whether or not I'll continue to use Pentax is still in doubt.

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Pete

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OP petebfrance Contributing Member • Posts: 757
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

rehess wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

I got a FA 28-105 and continue. "green button" metering isn't so bad.

A nice solution!  Thank-you.

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Pete

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Re: Buy a K-3 or a K-3 II

peterpainter wrote:

Smitty1 wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

I don't know if anyone has suggested this and frankly I don't have the desire to go through the 60+ other posts to check.

Buy a K-3 or K-3 II and be done with it. The higher end bodies didn't suffer such a failure since they seem to use a different shutter and motor.

Plus you'll get a better handling body, improved autofocus, faster burst rate, deeper buffer, support for a battery grip, dual card slots, much improved metering, larger magnification viewfinder, mag alloy frame with possibly better sealing, and better KAF4 support for newer lenses. etc etc etc

Plus they're cheap on the second hand market if you shop around.

I did look into that for a while after the problem happened, then decided to try the battery insert approach. It isn't perfect but a lot cheaper than buying another body. Whether or not I'll continue to use Pentax is still in doubt.

Personally, if you're not fixated on trying to make Pentax work I'd look elsewhere. But the K-3 would be a fairly cheap addition if you were looking to try to bandaid the issue.

Nikon and Canon both have superior DSLR crop and full frame systems with vast 3rd party options, if you're willing to spend a little extra.   Well and don't care about the IBIS in Pentax.  And all of them (inc Sony, Fuji, and Olympus) have interesting mirrorless systems too if that's your thing (with IBIS).

grcolts Veteran Member • Posts: 3,911
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

PocketPixels wrote:

It is absolutely terrible that any Pentax/Ricoh cameras still suffer from this problem some five years after it first surfaced. Ricoh should have issued a recall/fix or promised some sort of extended warranty for these repairs.

Apple had a massive defect back in 2011–2012 with their 15-inch MacBook Pro models, where a tiny capacitor on the graphics card would overheat and cause the machine to reboot whenever it got hot. Apple eventually extended the warranties on those laptops out to 2016 for that particular failure. Ricoh/Pentax should have done something similar, or the Pentaxians should have forced the issue by filing a class action suit.

However…
You can get the aperture block failure repaired at KEH or Precision Camera for about $200. That's awful. It's unfair. It's mean. But, well, it's only $200. You should still be upset about it, but ultimately $200 is not a lot of money to pay to put that particular issue to rest forever.

If my beloved Pentax K-S2 ever develops aperture block failure, I'll yell and scream and punch the wall…but then I'll pay the $200. Unfair, yes, but it's worth it to get my favorite camera back in action.

Ditto from me...my first K50 developed this problem. Later I bought a 2nd K50 and so far so good. I know it is probably just a matter of time...and I too will fix it as I want a camera that uses AA batteries as a back-up. I wold love to get the K70 but am afraid to have two cameras that could be a problem with the aperture block failure.

Historicity Senior Member • Posts: 2,342
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

peterpainter wrote:

Historicity wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

Peter,

The last time I recall the aperture block problem being discussed, the K-70 was mentioned as a possible candidate for having it, but at that time no one knew of an actual account. Now on another thread Tosiva (sp?) mentions having a K-70 with the aperture block. I wonder if there are other accounts that anyone knows about. I don't have the K50 but I do have the K70 & so have some concern.

Lawrence

I hope you don't get the problem. From what I've seen on Pentaxforums and here It does seem to be less likely on the K70, so fingers crossed!

Thanks.  I'll cross them. 

Lawrence

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DirkPentax New Member • Posts: 2
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

peterpainter wrote:

rehess wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

I got a FA 28-105 and continue. "green button" metering isn't so bad.

A nice solution! Thank-you.

Same opinion and agree with Rehess that the "green button" metering isn't so bad. Especially when not in 'fast action' situations. In the meanwhile I am still looking for a K-5II/s or K-3. Not easy because it has to be fron nearby so that I can see and try it. No hurry. The 'old' K-50 still produce a lot of fine images.

Regards,
Dirk.

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Pentax645 Contributing Member • Posts: 968
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

rehess wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

I got a FA 28-105 and continue. "green button" metering isn't so bad.

Green button metering really isn't so bad......but accurate focusing gets more difficult as the focal length increases. Wide angle K/M/A lenses are in a way better than AF/D designs because they have really usable DOF and distance scales. At about 35 mm or so this gets increasingly cumbersome, and at 105mm tedious for landscape purposes.....if the assumption is that AF DOF is more accurate.  Maybe, maybe not so it's trust the AF or make the effort to verify.

.............Larry

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Futax Senior Member • Posts: 1,353
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

DirkPentax wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

rehess wrote:

peterpainter wrote:

So it happened. My K50 after nearly 4 years and 4,000 shots has succumbed. I don't think I'll be getting it fixed (or fixing it myself - too clumsy). The K50 was great, a weather-sealed body and lens, important in this climate, at an affordable price. I don't trust a K70 because of the same issue, so what next?

What have other people done?

I got a FA 28-105 and continue. "green button" metering isn't so bad.

A nice solution! Thank-you.

Same opinion and agree with Rehess that the "green button" metering isn't so bad. Especially when not in 'fast action' situations. In the meanwhile I am still looking for a K-5II/s or K-3. Not easy because it has to be fron nearby so that I can see and try it. No hurry. The 'old' K-50 still produce a lot of fine images.

Regards,
Dirk.

You may want to try the alternative I suggested in earlier posts:

Use Av mode, and set EV compensation to achieve the correct exposure. So, for an f2 lens which is set to f4, use EV compensation of +2.

This shouldn't work in a healthy K-50, but for some reason, with an afflicted K-50, it does. It most certainly works (and works well) with my afflicted K-50. Do let us know if it works for you.

Advantages are the ability to take multiple shots quickly, and more accurate metering than green button metering.  Disadvantage would be if you wanted to keep changing aperture from shot to shot.

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PvH Regular Member • Posts: 465
Re: Is there life after aperture block failure?

zmem wrote:

Does anyone have an update of using the 55 - 300 WR PLM lens as a solution. It operates on a different principal. If someone mentioned it i missed it.

The 55-300 PLM has electronic aperture and focus control (KAF4).

Does not use the solenoid in the camera.

Cameras with solenoid failure (K30/50/70) still work fine with the 55-300 PLM.

My K-70's solenoid failed after 1300 shots, 2.5 years old.

Repaired under the 5 year warranty that came with the camera.

Working fine again.

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