Replacement for Canon G16?

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segacs New Member • Posts: 21
Replacement for Canon G16?

After six years, my beloved Canon G16 is dying again. I spent $500 on it new, $300 last year on a full repair, and now I'm getting the dreaded "lens error" again... only a few weeks before I'm off to Madagascar for a wildlife trip. Eek! It's not even enough time to send the camera out for repair again, even if it were worth the money to do so.

So I need a replacement camera in a hurry. But the challenge is that the reason I've hung onto the G16 for so long is, well, there really isn't anything out there that ticks all those boxes anymore.

Main criteria:

  • Fast lens for lots of indoor / low-light shooting without a flash. The G16 is a smaller sensor camera, true. But the maximum aperture of f1.8-2.8 is everything with this camera -- indoor shots come out sharp and clear every time.
  • Great battery life. My G16 can go 350-400 shots on a single charge. When travelling, this is critical.
  • Compact and purse-sized.
  • Viewfinder -- optical or electronic, don't care, but it needs one.
  • Manual controls. At the very least, aperture, shutter speed, ISO and white balance.
  • Good image quality for a compact camera. I think the G16 has spoiled me. I've been less than satisfied with the softness of my test shots with a friend's Panasonic ZS200, for instance -- a camera I might otherwise have considered due to specs.
  • Must be able to shoot RAW.
  • Intangible: Good grip, must be easy to operate one-handed. Often trying to sneak off those shots on the go. The G16 just has SUCH great ergonomics.
  • Long zoom would be a nice-to-have, especially for upcoming wildlife trip.
  • Need to be able to get my hands on this camera in the next 2 weeks.

Stuff I don't care about:

  • Video. Whatevs.
  • Touchscreens, articulating screens, etc.
  • GPS

Uses: Travel, mostly. Some around-town and friends and family snapshots. But mostly travel. This needs to be the ultimate multi-purpose travel camera.

Price is sort of a consideration, but for the right camera I'd invest.

tl;dr I adore my Canon G16 and it's dying and I would love to replace it with another G16 if I could but they don't exist anymore and I'm sad and heartbroken and need the next best thing in a hurry because I'm travelling soon.

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Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 19,767
Re: Replacement for Canon G16?

Try reading this buying guide for Pocketable cameras

However, pocketable and a long zoom for wildlife don’t go together.  You can either try a travel zoom and give up some of your other requirements, you can get a second long zoom bridge camera for the wildlife trip or you can go for an M4/3 interchangeable lens camera.

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OP segacs New Member • Posts: 21
Re: Replacement for Canon G16?

Thanks for the reply. The wildlife aspect is really just a small consideration in the grand scheme of things -- mostly I will be using my camera to shoot people and places and scenery. Indoor low-light performance is definitely more important than zoom.

I can accept that I won't have the best wildlife photography setup available, but then, in a country like Madagascar, small, pocketable and less of a theft target is going to outweigh best and biggest anyway.

This is more about having the best all-around compact camera to replace my G16 for home and future travel use. Any suggestions? Most of the small pocketable cameras on the market these days seem to compare poorly to the G16.

Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 19,767
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segacs wrote:

Thanks for the reply. The wildlife aspect is really just a small consideration in the grand scheme of things -- mostly I will be using my camera to shoot people and places and scenery. Indoor low-light performance is definitely more important than zoom.

I can accept that I won't have the best wildlife photography setup available, but then, in a country like Madagascar, small, pocketable and less of a theft target is going to outweigh best and biggest anyway.

This is more about having the best all-around compact camera to replace my G16 for home and future travel use. Any suggestions? Most of the small pocketable cameras on the market these days seem to compare poorly to the G16.

The market for small sensor compact cameras has more or less disappeared except for specialist areas list bridge cameras and waterproof cameras.  The quality compact cameras now have larger sensors, 1", 4/3" or even APS-C.

Read the buying guide that I linked to.

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OP segacs New Member • Posts: 21
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Believe me, it's not the larger sensor that bothers me -- quite the contrary, as larger sensor will provide better image quality. It's the fact that none of those larger-sensor cameras can provide the features I'm looking for, and while I understand why (it's hard to get some of those features into a compact camera), most of them are deal-breakers.

Trying desperately to find someone who can repair my G16 yet again in <3 weeks. Unfortunately it's proving difficult.

Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 19,767
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segacs wrote:

Believe me, it's not the larger sensor that bothers me -- quite the contrary, as larger sensor will provide better image quality. It's the fact that none of those larger-sensor cameras can provide the features I'm looking for, and while I understand why (it's hard to get some of those features into a compact camera), most of them are deal-breakers.

Trying desperately to find someone who can repair my G16 yet again in <3 weeks. Unfortunately it's proving difficult.

Then you will need to look at bigger interchangeable lens cameras.

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beagle1 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,199
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segacs wrote:

After six years, my beloved Canon G16 is dying again. I spent $500 on it new, $300 last year on a full repair, and now I'm getting the dreaded "lens error" again... only a few weeks before I'm off to Madagascar for a wildlife trip. Eek! It's not even enough time to send the camera out for repair again, even if it were worth the money to do so.

So I need a replacement camera in a hurry. But the challenge is that the reason I've hung onto the G16 for so long is, well, there really isn't anything out there that ticks all those boxes anymore.

Main criteria:

  • Fast lens for lots of indoor / low-light shooting without a flash. The G16 is a smaller sensor camera, true. But the maximum aperture of f1.8-2.8 is everything with this camera -- indoor shots come out sharp and clear every time.
  • Great battery life. My G16 can go 350-400 shots on a single charge. When travelling, this is critical.
  • Compact and purse-sized.
  • Viewfinder -- optical or electronic, don't care, but it needs one.
  • Manual controls. At the very least, aperture, shutter speed, ISO and white balance.
  • Good image quality for a compact camera. I think the G16 has spoiled me. I've been less than satisfied with the softness of my test shots with a friend's Panasonic ZS200, for instance -- a camera I might otherwise have considered due to specs.
  • Must be able to shoot RAW.
  • Intangible: Good grip, must be easy to operate one-handed. Often trying to sneak off those shots on the go. The G16 just has SUCH great ergonomics.
  • Long zoom would be a nice-to-have, especially for upcoming wildlife trip.
  • Need to be able to get my hands on this camera in the next 2 weeks.

Stuff I don't care about:

  • Video. Whatevs.
  • Touchscreens, articulating screens, etc.
  • GPS

Uses: Travel, mostly. Some around-town and friends and family snapshots. But mostly travel. This needs to be the ultimate multi-purpose travel camera.

Price is sort of a consideration, but for the right camera I'd invest.

tl;dr I adore my Canon G16 and it's dying and I would love to replace it with another G16 if I could but they don't exist anymore and I'm sad and heartbroken and need the next best thing in a hurry because I'm travelling soon.

you could look at small mirrorless cameras and 55-250 / 50-200 lens

e.g. Canon M100 or M6

(admittedly I use the older Canon M5 and DSLR lens for wildlife)

www.flickr.com/photos/mmirrorless

YWG Contributing Member • Posts: 545
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segacs wrote:

Main criteria:

  • Fast lens for lots of indoor / low-light shooting without a flash.
  • Great battery life. My G16 can go 350-400 shots on a single charge.
  • Compact and purse-sized.
  • Viewfinder -- optical or electronic, don't care, but it needs one.
  • Manual controls.
  • Good image quality for a compact camera. I've been less than satisfied with the softness of my test shots with a friend's Panasonic ZS200, for instance
  • Must be able to shoot RAW.
  • Intangible: Good grip, must be easy to operate one-handed.
  • Long zoom would be a nice-to-have, especially for upcoming wildlife trip.
  • Need to be able to get my hands on this camera in the next 2 weeks.

Stuff I don't care about:

  • Video. Whatevs.
  • Touchscreens, articulating screens, etc.
  • GPS

Uses: Travel, mostly. Some around-town and friends and family snapshots. But mostly travel. This needs to be the ultimate multi-purpose travel camera.

Price is sort of a consideration, but for the right camera I'd invest.

The OVF/EVF narrows your selection.

ZS100/200 is too soft for you. FZ300/330, FZ1000, FZ2500 too big but they have long zooms.

LX100 has a F1.7-2.8 24-75mm lens, EVF, RAW, manual controls. It is slightly wider than the G16 but shorter. It is noticeably thicker however due to the lens. The larger sensor would afford you an improvement in high ISO but you lose long end range. The mki is 550-600 USD new as they have the mkii (more resolution).

Perhaps a fleabay Olympus Stylus 1/1s. 28-300mm F2.8 lens, EVF, manual controls, shoots RAW. 380 USD including shipping and 90 day coverage coming off an electronics refurb vendor. I wish they would have made an update to this camera. I've seen it go locally as low as 95 USD but they are pretty rare for postings.

G1x mkiii is a APS-C sensored camera with a 24-72mm F2.8-5.6 lens. RAW, EVF, manual controls. It is like a pocket DSLR with a tiny kit lens. Weather resistant. Kinda spendy IMO though.

I have seen G16 on craigs locally for as low as 75 USD. Typically they are 2-3 times that however. If you are in the states, maybe Keh or BHphoto used might be acceptable. Keh is more expensive than the local listings but you get a 6 month coverage.

Had this been a few years ago, I might have considered the G16. Great field of cameras back then with the XZ-2, MX-1, LX7, EX1/2.

The only other options I see right now are a Sony RX100 mkiii which has a popup viewfinder, 24-70 f1.8-2.8 lens. There is the G5x mki with 24-100mm F1.8-2.8 and the G5x mkii 24-120mm F1.8-2.8. I currently use the G5x mki. Like the ZS200, you might encounter some softness at 100%. I think the apparent sharpness of my S90 was better perhaps due to greater DOF but maybe also due to lens/sensor design and coverage. The files are 20MP so I suspect with some downsizing to the G16, the apparent sharpness difference may not actually be that different.

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OP segacs New Member • Posts: 21
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Again, not practical for me. I'm a small woman who travels VERY minimalist and needs something compact, purse-sized, and that can be operated one-handed and won't attract thieves. A large, interchangeable-lens camera is not at all what I'm after.

OP segacs New Member • Posts: 21
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Once you add a lens, though, these aren't really pocket/purse-sized cameras anymore, are they? I mean, how could they be with a giant non-retractable lens?

Chris R-UK Forum Pro • Posts: 19,767
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segacs wrote:

Again, not practical for me. I'm a small woman who travels VERY minimalist and needs something compact, purse-sized, and that can be operated one-handed and won't attract thieves. A large, interchangeable-lens camera is not at all what I'm after.

Well, try getting one of the Sony RX100 MkV camera and give up a few things in return for the many areas in which the Sony will outclass the G16.

Try to be open minded.

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Thanks. The Sony RX100-VA looks interesting. Looking at a head-to-head comparison between that and my Canon G16, from what I gather:

  • Sony has the larger sensor (1" vs 1/1.7")
  • Canon has the longer zoom (28-140mm/5x vs 24-70mm/2.9x)
  • Both lenses are fast and bright, with max aperture of 1.8f-2.8f, though the Canon manages the 2.8f at a much longer telephoto length.
  • Canon has the better macro focus length (1cm vs 5cm)
  • Sony has a tilting screen, versus Canon's fixed one, though I don't really care.
  • Canon has the fixed optical viewfinder that I prefer, versus Sony's pop-up EVF. (If you're farsighted, you'll understand.)
  • Sony has the faster continuous drive mode (24 fps vs 12)
  • Sony has the better video modes... not that this really is a factor for me.
  • Canon has by far the better battery life (360 shots vs 220)
  • Sony is slightly smaller and lighter (299g vs 356g)
  • Canon has better ergonomics - grip, one-handed operation, controls and dials
  • Sony is much pricier - retailing for $1,250 CAD plus tax, here. I bought my Canon for ~$500 tax-in.

Would you say that's about right?

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segacs wrote:

Once you add a lens, though, these aren't really pocket/purse-sized cameras anymore, are they? I mean, how could they be with a giant non-retractable lens?

the 55-200  (M) and 55-250 (EFS)  are actually small and light ... check them out

admittedly I use the old original EFS 55-250 in a small waist pack .. not a purse

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OP segacs New Member • Posts: 21
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Still not anywhere near compact camera territory, sorry.

I'm looking for a camera that's easy to carry in my purse or my pocket. Not one that requires multiple lenses and its own gear bag.

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segacs wrote:

Thanks. The Sony RX100-VA looks interesting. Looking at a head-to-head comparison between that and my Canon G16, from what I gather:

  • Sony has the larger sensor (1" vs 1/1.7")
  • Canon has the longer zoom (28-140mm/5x vs 24-70mm/2.9x)
  • Both lenses are fast and bright, with max aperture of 1.8f-2.8f, though the Canon manages the 2.8f at a much longer telephoto length.
  • Canon has the better macro focus length (1cm vs 5cm)
  • Sony has a tilting screen, versus Canon's fixed one, though I don't really care.
  • Canon has the fixed optical viewfinder that I prefer, versus Sony's pop-up EVF. (If you're farsighted, you'll understand.)
  • Sony has the faster continuous drive mode (24 fps vs 12)
  • Sony has the better video modes... not that this really is a factor for me.
  • Canon has by far the better battery life (360 shots vs 220)
  • Sony is slightly smaller and lighter (299g vs 356g)
  • Canon has better ergonomics - grip, one-handed operation, controls and dials
  • Sony is much pricier - retailing for $1,250 CAD plus tax, here. I bought my Canon for ~$500 tax-in.

Would you say that's about right?

But Sony has a much more modern sensor so high ISO noise will be much better. It will also have much better AF. It has an EVF so get a simulated exposure and white balance and much easier manual focussing in difficult situations. The Sony is also a much more modern camera and will have a lot more features than the Canon.

On the other hand the Canon will probably have better handling because of its bigger body.

The Sony is remarkably small.  Do have a look at one in a store.  If you want a cheaper alternative, look at the Mk3 or 4.  If you want a longer zoom look at the Mk6 or 7.

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I actually prefer the optical viewfinder to the electronic one ... being very farsighted, I find it tough to see properly in an EVF, and I find it sometimes makes me vaguely dizzy to look through. But that might just be personal preference.

As for the rest, you've convinced me to have a look at the Sony in store and see how the controls feel in hand. Thanks for the advice.

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Another G16 era compact with OVF was the Fuji X20.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x20

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I spent $500 on it new, $300 last year on a full repair

Wow, I can't suggest a replacement unless you find someone selling a good used G16 maybe but a $300 repair should last a lot longer than a year. I'd contact whoever did the repair about getting a do-over either at no charge or a GREATLY reduced rate and have it for hopefully several more good years to come. Good luck on finding an acceptable replacement. Safe travels.

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Aberaeron Veteran Member • Posts: 7,581
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KCook wrote:

Another G16 era compact with OVF was the Fuji X20.

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x20

Kelly Cook

I have my X20 right in front of me now. 28-112mm EFL with f2.8 aperture but a small sensor. Battery life is terrible but extra batteries are small, light and very cheap

To be honest the X20 is outclassed by cameras like the Sony MkVII and isn't available new today and neither is its replacement, the X30. Its not a bad camera by any means and I still use it occasionally, like this morning as it happens. However my favourites these days are the smaller M4/3 cameras for their versatility. Specifically in the OP's context, the GX80 with kit lens which is nice and compact, but in my case often mated with other lenses. For travel I carry this kit plus the 14/140 10X zoom lens.

The battery life is not spectacular but I have a spare battery and a Mophi Power Station8X slim battery that will charge the GX80's battery at least five times using the USB cable with battery in-camera. It cost me £13. NOT £130 but £13 a few weeks ago. I carry it across the inside of my Sony A7iii camera bag as it will charge that camera's phenomenally long lasting battery three times or four from 30% up to 100%. Enough for several days fairly intensive use. The Mophi is about the size of a large smartphone or very small tablet.

If this is of interest to the OP, then best get a camera that does charge internally through USB

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To be honest the X20 is outclassed by cameras like the Sony MkVII and isn't available new today and neither is its replacement, the X30. Its not a bad camera by any means and I still use it occasionally, like this morning as it happens. However my favourites these days are the smaller M4/3 cameras for their versatility.

Oh, I agree with that.  Strongly.  I brought up the X20 due to the OVF.  The OP appears to be rejecting all EVF cameras.  Most EVFs are fine for me, but it does seem that a few people have genuine vision problems with EVFs.

ohwell

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