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What You Need to Charge the G7X iii or G5X iii by USB-C

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Markr041 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,078
What You Need to Charge the G7X iii or G5X iii by USB-C
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A PD ("power delivery") charger or PD battery pack. USB-C cable, both ends (any will do).

No need to buy the Canon accessory. Any brand charger with the USB-C PD implementation will do. This is the latest technology, and it is a standard. Canon is on the frontier here, and it is not proprietary.

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This has to be said to be a design flaw. While supporting some new technologies, it should maintain compatibility with the old devices. This setting will cause many mobile phone chargers or power banks to become unavailable, causing a lot of inconvenience.you know,most of them don't support PD protocol,and most of PD chargers are bigger and heavier.

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crj200 wrote:

This has to be said to be a design flaw. While supporting some new technologies, it should maintain compatibility with the old devices. This setting will cause many mobile phone chargers or power banks to become unavailable, causing a lot of inconvenience.you know,most of them don't support PD protocol,and most of PD chargers are bigger and heavier.

My PD charger is about 1.5" x 1" x 0.7", less than 100 grams. It can do quick charging too. Cost about $30.

World already changes. IT changes fast. BTW, no car has backward compatibity with cart.

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Hublot New Member • Posts: 21
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Markr041 wrote:

A PD ("power delivery") charger or PD battery pack. USB-C cable, both ends (any will do).

No need to buy the Canon accessory. Any brand charger with the USB-C PD implementation will do. This is the latest technology, and it is a standard. Canon is on the frontier here, and it is not proprietary.

Any USB-C to USB-C Cable will do? Doesn't need to be PD Capable?

If so, it is great news so i don't need to buy the super expensive canon USB charger thingy.

siberstorm27 Forum Member • Posts: 98
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khunpapa wrote:

crj200 wrote:

This has to be said to be a design flaw. While supporting some new technologies, it should maintain compatibility with the old devices. This setting will cause many mobile phone chargers or power banks to become unavailable, causing a lot of inconvenience.you know,most of them don't support PD protocol,and most of PD chargers are bigger and heavier.

My PD charger is about 1.5" x 1" x 0.7", less than 100 grams. It can do quick charging too. Cost about $30.

World already changes. IT changes fast. BTW, no car has backward compatibity with cart.

This is another ass backwards design and trying to justify it by saying its the future is extremely stupid. Power Delivery is designed for high power output, usb-c laptops mostly. and the spec can go up to 100w of power. This is a CAMERA. It uses the same dinky battery as older models. The whole point of usb-c on a camera is convenience. It should work with any other usb-c charger, meaning a regular phone charger or power bank should work, or just being plugged into a computer. The most universal standard out there. It's more like they are trying to force you to buy their charger. Most people have no idea what Power Delivery is. If it's usb-c it should just WORK. All the other usb-c cameras I've used charge perfectly fine. Just not the canon.

Here's the battery charger that came with my g5x ii. This thing can't even hit 3w and the battery already feels like it's gonna melt. You are telling me canon switched to Power Delivery because they are pioneers on the technological frontier? Only someone ignorant of technology would say that.

swsantos Junior Member • Posts: 30
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Spot on!

Was very disappointed that I was unable to USB charge my new USB chargeable G5X MkII until I read this post which illuminated to me the wonders of PD charging and after getting a PD wall charger and USB-C wire I am now all set with USB charging working.

Thanks!

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khunpapa Senior Member • Posts: 2,666
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siberstorm27 wrote:

khunpapa wrote:

My PD charger is about 1.5" x 1" x 0.7", less than 100 grams. It can do quick charging too. Cost about $30.

World already changes. IT changes fast. BTW, no car has backward compatibity with cart.

This is another ass backwards design and trying to justify it by saying its the future is extremely stupid. Power Delivery is designed for high power output, usb-c laptops mostly. and the spec can go up to 100w of power. This is a CAMERA. It uses the same dinky battery as older models.

Nice work! Keep on trying to be looked smart.

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PD is not just for high power. It's for faster charging. Only IQ-deficiency photographers can't think what the fast charging mean. Not their fault. They may not know that this world has iPhone. They love to buy dozen batteries while complaining that one battery has juice for only 200 shots.

Canon may be not smart or intelligent. So most they can do is earning billions while the smart hobbyist photographer is obsessing with DPR posting.

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Hublot wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

A PD ("power delivery") charger or PD battery pack. USB-C cable, both ends (any will do).

No need to buy the Canon accessory. Any brand charger with the USB-C PD implementation will do. This is the latest technology, and it is a standard. Canon is on the frontier here, and it is not proprietary.

Any USB-C to USB-C Cable will do? Doesn't need to be PD Capable?

If so, it is great news so i don't need to buy the super expensive canon USB charger thingy.

You can .. but at the snailing pace ..

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The PD charger have the higher "pushing" voltage, 9-20 volts. All USB chargers have only the fixed 5.0 volts. The difference charging time may like 30-40 minutes vs 3-4 hours.

PD charger plays with Li (type) battery intrinsic characteristics. While it has 3.7-3.8v working voltage, it can be charged with 5v - 7v charger. But the higher charging voltage, the higher exploding chance (higher volt = higher charging current = higher heat producing & faster chemical reaction). The PD compliant device must be able to keep these malignant side effects within limit.

Reference documents could be found HERE .

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siberstorm27 Forum Member • Posts: 98
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khunpapa wrote:

siberstorm27 wrote:

khunpapa wrote:

My PD charger is about 1.5" x 1" x 0.7", less than 100 grams. It can do quick charging too. Cost about $30.

World already changes. IT changes fast. BTW, no car has backward compatibity with cart.

This is another ass backwards design and trying to justify it by saying its the future is extremely stupid. Power Delivery is designed for high power output, usb-c laptops mostly. and the spec can go up to 100w of power. This is a CAMERA. It uses the same dinky battery as older models.

Nice work! Keep on trying to be looked smart.

##

PD is not just for high power. It's for faster charging. Only IQ-deficiency photographers can't think what the fast charging mean. Not their fault. They may not know that this world has iPhone. They love to buy dozen batteries while complaining that one battery has juice for only 200 shots.

Canon may be not smart or intelligent. So most they can do is earning billions while the smart hobbyist photographer is obsessing with DPR posting.

earning billions...

Also, please Engrish better.

MikeP2019 New Member • Posts: 1
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Has anyone found a viable solution for in-car charging? Converting to 120-220AC and back to PD is not "viable" obviously.

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Oops, just noticed I missed.  However if one searches Amazon with [usb-c car charger] there are several examples.

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megafolie Regular Member • Posts: 186
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When I'm traveling, I use the Oneworld PD charger which is just fantastic. It gives me 3 USB-Smart ports plus 1 USB-C PD port, in addition to giving me access to a standard socket for more than 150 countries.
I bought a tiny USB charger on Amazon for two batteries for my Canon G5X m2. With the Oneworld PD charger, I can therefore charge 4 batteries simultaneously if I bring my Canon charger included with the camera!

https://oneadaptr.com/products/oneworld-pd-all-in-one-world-adapter-with-usb-c-3-usb-charger

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khunpapa wrote:

siberstorm27 wrote:

khunpapa wrote:

My PD charger is about 1.5" x 1" x 0.7", less than 100 grams. It can do quick charging too. Cost about $30.

World already changes. IT changes fast. BTW, no car has backward compatibity with cart.

This is another ass backwards design and trying to justify it by saying its the future is extremely stupid. Power Delivery is designed for high power output, usb-c laptops mostly. and the spec can go up to 100w of power. This is a CAMERA. It uses the same dinky battery as older models.

Nice work! Keep on trying to be looked smart.

Just a discussion over batteries and chargers. No need to start throwing toys out of the pram.

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PD is not just for high power. It's for faster charging. Only IQ-deficiency photographers can't think what the fast charging mean. Not their fault. They may not know that this world has iPhone. They love to buy dozen batteries while complaining that one battery has juice for only 200 shots.

As someone said above the battery feels likes it is going to melt even on the old chargers.

Is the old NB-13L really built to fast charge? No sign of new technology here.

Canon may be not smart or intelligent. So most they can do is earning billions while the smart hobbyist photographer is obsessing with DPR posting.

Earning billions from the cost of their batteries probably.

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Unrealistic - to say the least!

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detnight Forum Member • Posts: 62
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I prefer not charging my battery in the camera. If it has a melt down I would rather replace the charger and not the camera.

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VentsiBeast Forum Member • Posts: 67
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khunpapa wrote:

PD is not just for high power. It's for faster charging. Only IQ-deficiency photographers can't think what the fast charging mean.

Yeah, faster charging through high power.

The problem in this ridiculous theory that Canon is correct to require e PD charger is, that the battery is only 1120mAh (iirc) and even the original Canon charger charges it at measly 0.7A, while 10+ year old iPhone (which the user mentions) chargers already do 1.0A, plus non-PD chargers are perfectly capable of doing 2.4A, which is most definitely going to melt this battery anyway.

So the reason for Canon to make it proprietary is not because they care so much about the user experience and the battery's ability to be charged faster. It's because they want you to buy their "accessories".

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OP Markr041 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,078
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VentsiBeast wrote:

khunpapa wrote:

PD is not just for high power. It's for faster charging. Only IQ-deficiency photographers can't think what the fast charging mean.

So the reason for Canon to make it proprietary is not because they care so much about the user experience and the battery's ability to be charged faster. It's because they want you to buy their "accessories".

Amazing! You are completely wrong about this, despite this thread containing all the information about PD:

First, the PD spec is not proprietary. It is a standard available to any manufacturer to use. You do know what proprietary means, right?

Second, because it is a standard, there are lots of non-Canon alternatives for PD chargers.

Thus, it cannot be a PD input because Canon wants you to buy their accessories since you do not have to use any Canon accessory to charge these cameras by usb-c.

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VentsiBeast Forum Member • Posts: 67
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Markr041 wrote:

You do know what proprietary means, right?

Not everybody is a native English speaker, buddy. I admit I thought it meant something else.

So be it, I stand corrected.

Now, would you care to explain why a 1120mAh battery, that cannot charge at PD speeds anyway, requires a PD charger?

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BenYoung New Member • Posts: 1
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Markr041 wrote:

A PD ("power delivery") charger or PD battery pack. USB-C cable, both ends (any will do).

No need to buy the Canon accessory. Any brand charger with the USB-C PD implementation will do. This is the latest technology, and it is a standard. Canon is on the frontier here, and it is not proprietary.

Have you tried charging with a power bank? If so, which have you tried?
I have a PD capable power bank and a good quality USB-C to USB-C cable - it will charge the battery in-camera when turned off, but it won't power the camera when turned on.
Also, I can charge the battery in-camera with a regular USB charge (non PD).

I'm not sure where, but I think I read somewhere that the camera is picky about PD power banks regarding which ones work and which don't when it comes to powering the camera.

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