Comparing sharpness of 16-80 to other lenses

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TOMMMMMM Junior Member • Posts: 42
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

CAcreeks wrote:

Also interesting that the 35/1.4 prime and 23/1.4 prime do not beat the 16-80 at f/4. So much for the adage that primes are always better. Of course landscape photographers often use smaller f-stops where these prime lenses shine.

I don't think it's fair to compare sharpness of ultra fast primes to that of a slower lens. These primes were designed for their shallow depth of field. If they were designed as F/4 primes, I'm sure they'd be much better optically than the zoom lens. In other words, TNSSASFL.

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Phil9971 New Member • Posts: 16
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

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Are you willing to post the raws?

Yep happy too. What's the best way?

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Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

Phil9971 wrote:

georgehudetz wrote:

Are you willing to post the raws?

Yep happy too. What's the best way?

One way is Dropbox; upload them to a public folder there, then copy the link for each photo and post the links here. (you can sign up for a free 2gb basic personal account if you don't have yet).

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Phil9971 New Member • Posts: 16
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

koweb wrote:

Phil9971 wrote:

georgehudetz wrote:

Are you willing to post the raws?

Yep happy too. What's the best way?

One way is Dropbox; upload them to a public folder there, then copy the link for each photo and post the links here. (you can sign up for a free 2gb basic personal account if you don't have yet).

Ok will do, may take a little time to upload them all though!

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Birdie55 Regular Member • Posts: 240
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

Phil9971 wrote:

I mainly shoot landscapes and noticed that the corners of the 16-80 were not as sharp as they could be so I decided to compare the sharpness in general to my other XF lenses (and one Canon).

For the first test I shot the wall of my brick garage. I set the camera up on a tripod, used the 2-second timer, set the focus and then shot at different focal lengths and apertures. I chose f4, f11 and f22 (or f16), although due to diffraction I'd never use f22 in anger.

In this case I've marked an X in the table against the lens which is sharper in the centre of the image:

What was surprising is that in all cases at f4 (except the 50 f2) the 16-80 was sharper in the centre of the image.

I then picked up a new 16-55 f2.8 as I thought this may give better results than the 16-80. To test these two lenses I shot a landscape scene as well as the garage wall. The results are as follows and I've considered the whole of the frame to determine which is sharper overall.

The garage shots allowed for more critical evaluation whereas the landscape shots were more "real world" type of shooting.

What's surprising is that the 16-80 is better than the 16-55 in the majority of cases. Maybe I've got a sharp 16-80 and a soft copy of the 16-55...

I'm still on a quest for a zoom lens that displays good sharpness across all the image but accept that this may be impossible. As I shoot mainly landscapes a zoom lens is the most practical option as it allows accurate composition in the field but I may have to purchase the 16mm and 18mm primes to achieve optimal results.

I am not sure that I get the purpose of this post, and what to conclude after reading it. I have understood that the opinion of some is that corner/ edge sharpness of the 16-80 is below expectations, and hence the edge to edge/ corner to corner (considering also centre) sharpness. But I may have not understood explanations and tables.

Birdie

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Phil9971 New Member • Posts: 16
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22
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Hi Birdie55 - the title of the thread is "Comparing sharpness of 16-80 to other lenses"; I have sought to provide my own comparison based on actual examples to a variety of lenses.  Furthermore there is often talk about the inadequacy of the 16-80 and that it's not much better than the kit 18-55 - from my testing it seems that the 16-80 is in fact better in many regards than the 16-55.

Either way, these are just my thoughts and observations. I'll be returning the 16-55 and then sending the 16-80 to Fuji for further calibration.

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JohnS59 Regular Member • Posts: 349
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

Phil9971 wrote:

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Either way, these are just my thoughts and observations. I'll be returning the 16-55 and then sending the 16-80 to Fuji for further calibration.

Why should you do that? They will probably check it and send it back right away and untouched because "falls within specifications" or words like that.

John.

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Birdie55 Regular Member • Posts: 240
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

Phil9971 wrote:

Hi Birdie55 - the title of the thread is "Comparing sharpness of 16-80 to other lenses"; I have sought to provide my own comparison based on actual examples to a variety of lenses. Furthermore there is often talk about the inadequacy of the 16-80 and that it's not much better than the kit 18-55 - from my testing it seems that the 16-80 is in fact better in many regards than the 16-55.

Either way, these are just my thoughts and observations. I'll be returning the 16-55 and then sending the 16-80 to Fuji for further calibration.

Well then, good luck with the conclusions of your testing.

Birdie

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Phil9971 New Member • Posts: 16
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JohnS59 wrote:

Phil9971 wrote:

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Either way, these are just my thoughts and observations. I'll be returning the 16-55 and then sending the 16-80 to Fuji for further calibration.

Why should you do that? They will probably check it and send it back right away and untouched because "falls within specifications" or words like that.

John

John, because I did the same with my 100-400 that I purchased earlier this year - the difference was incredible.

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JohnS59 Regular Member • Posts: 349
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

Phil9971 wrote:

JohnS59 wrote:

Phil9971 wrote:

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Either way, these are just my thoughts and observations. I'll be returning the 16-55 and then sending the 16-80 to Fuji for further calibration.

Why should you do that? They will probably check it and send it back right away and untouched because "falls within specifications" or words like that.

John

John, because I did the same with my 100-400 that I purchased earlier this year - the difference was incredible.

Well, that's interesting! Did you send it because it was a really bad copy (e.g. decentered or tilted = clearly oneven sharpness over the frame) or just because to get the best possible calibration? I didn't know they do that.

John

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Phil9971 New Member • Posts: 16
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I noticed it was much softer at 400mm than at other focal lengths, regardless of aperture. After Fuji calibrated it the lens was much sharper throughout the zoom range. I was really impressed by their service and would suggest others do the same if they’re not happy with their lenses.

Phil

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Wezre Regular Member • Posts: 388
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

Thanks for your efforts in doing this.  I'm curious - has anyone compared the Fuji 16-80 f/4 to the Nikon 16-80 f/2.8-4?  The Nikon is generally regarded as a solid performer including at the wide end and is very similar to the Fuji in focal range, aperture (although slightly faster), features, and price.

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Re: Comparing sharpness of 16-80 to other lenses

This 16-80 debate will probably go on until Fuji makes another new lens to replace it. I was going to get one but after seeing some of the test results, I will stick with my 18-55. Talking about it over and over will not make the lens any sharper, or perform any better. Can we just move on?

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afm Regular Member • Posts: 492
Re: My 16-80 compared to my 16-55, 23, 35, 50, 55-230 and 10-22

I bet they are already inundated with 16-80s

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