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So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)

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s_grins
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This M43 gear you have stashed is more than I have now. It seems to me that you are more to collect gear than use it

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Arek Halusko Senior Member • Posts: 2,265
Re: So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)
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G Dickson wrote:

RED i wrote:

MinAZ wrote:

but that, let's face it, the files coming out from the full frame are just easier to edit (this was the smoking gun in the end).

LOL, you should probably learn to expose properly first.

To be fair the OP does have a point here. Files coming out of my 6Dii are capable of a lot more pushing/pulling and adjustment than files coming out of my em10 and em10ii.

I do a lot of landscape or astroscape stuff and this then can be very important. Strobed portraits for example less so. The other evening I was trying to raise the exposure level on some astroscapes on both the em10 and the 6dii and the differences were vast.

If he wanted to deep fry his images why the hell did he not get a MF of FF from the beginning?

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MinAZ
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Re: So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)

The Mann Clann wrote:

I think I'm soon going to be in a similar position. Which FF did you choose?

I'll send you a PM.

MinAZ
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Tom Caldwell wrote:

I have not quite said goodbye to my Canon EF dslr bodies even though I still have a lot of EF lenses.

My Ricoh cameras are still considered both friends and acquaintances.

Even my NEX6 and I are still talking. My A7R is a bit of a ruffian but although we don’t speak much these days - I have not said goodbye.

Even my Samsung NX10 still gets it batteries topped up from time to time.

Of course my M4/3 gear and I am best friends, but they all understand that I am not about to replace them with my new friend the S1.

In all I am quite stupid and I will have soon to add-a-room to accommodate such a lot of friends.

It is this that I was afraid of.

Not too long ago, a local well-known photographer passed. In his wake, there were many condolences, some saddened workshop attendees who will understandably not be able to learn from him, and an estate sale that went on over a few weeks (on the weekends). Signed autographed copies of his books, piles and piles of camera gear, film, lenses, and prints. There was even a complete darkroom for sale with enlargers and so forth (with the exception of the physical room of course). In the end I picked up a copy of his book, a couple of wigs and manikin heads, and some mat boards. But what struck me was the really enormous collection of gear he left behind - how much can a man use in one lifetime? I am not close to using all the gear I bought. I have no idea why I even buy some of the things I did. I have a macro ring flash which I have never  used and probably never will because honestly it is a bit of niche item. I'm not even a macro photographer, but  yet I have one. And I am one of the weird people that relate each photograph to the gear I shot it with. There is this photo of my wife in a thunderstorm out near a canyon range, and the first thought that comes to mind whenever is see that is that it was shot with a Samsung NX300 and natural light. Some people practicing Kung Fu at a local fair? That was my Rebel SL1 and the kit lens. And all those difficult-to-edit images of my kids in the flower fields? Yep, Olympus

MinAZ
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MinAZ wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I have not quite said goodbye to my Canon EF dslr bodies even though I still have a lot of EF lenses.

My Ricoh cameras are still considered both friends and acquaintances.

Even my NEX6 and I are still talking. My A7R is a bit of a ruffian but although we don’t speak much these days - I have not said goodbye.

Even my Samsung NX10 still gets it batteries topped up from time to time.

Of course my M4/3 gear and I am best friends, but they all understand that I am not about to replace them with my new friend the S1.

In all I am quite stupid and I will have soon to add-a-room to accommodate such a lot of friends.

It is this that I was afraid of.

Not too long ago, a local well-known photographer passed. In his wake, there were many condolences, some saddened workshop attendees who will understandably not be able to learn from him, and an estate sale that went on over a few weeks (on the weekends). Signed autographed copies of his books, piles and piles of camera gear, film, lenses, and prints. There was even a complete darkroom for sale with enlargers and so forth (with the exception of the physical room of course). In the end I picked up a copy of his book, a couple of wigs and manikin heads, and some mat boards. But what struck me was the really enormous collection of gear he left behind - how much can a man use in one lifetime? I am not close to using all the gear I bought. I have no idea why I even buy some of the things I did. I have a macro ring flash which I have never used and probably never will because honestly it is a bit of niche item. I'm not even a macro photographer, but yet I have one. And I am one of the weird people that relate each photograph to the gear I shot it with. There is this photo of my wife in a thunderstorm out near a canyon range, and the first thought that comes to mind whenever is see that is that it was shot with a Samsung NX300 and natural light. Some people practicing Kung Fu at a local fair? That was my Rebel SL1 and the kit lens. And all those difficult-to-edit images of my kids in the flower fields? Yep, Olympus

And before some more demands of proof, please note last sentence was tongue-in-cheek. It is only HALF true.

Arek Halusko Senior Member • Posts: 2,265
Re: So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)
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dinoSnake wrote:

RED i wrote:

MinAZ wrote:

but that, let's face it, the files coming out from the full frame are just easier to edit (this was the smoking gun in the end).

LOL, you should probably learn to expose properly first.

Pleased to see that, after all these years, the m43 forum remains the same: a snobby, righteous 'It's user error!' post can always be found inside a thread that does not blatantly praise m43 as if its the second coming.

I use both Em1 Mk1 and Sony A7s so I have more than enough experience with two systems and have plenty of photo examples in my gallery from both but my Em1 still wins in everyday usage and I still think the OP's post is idiotic.

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Okapi001 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,145
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glassoholic wrote:

DXO PL 2 + PRIME for RAW m43 files should be on your radar... try it... you may be very pleasantly surprised.

Discovering that he made a mistake by selling all that m4/3 gear can hardly be described as pleasant.

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Gnine Senior Member • Posts: 4,108
Re: Inanimate equipment—just tools
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UppercanadianAcadian wrote:

Camera equipment are just tools for us to use.

Equipment comes and goes, and it is important to not get tangled into the mentality of belonging to a tribe.

i use Olympus because of the size, price, and familiarity.

The corporation of Olympus doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about me.

Too true. They're only little computers with a little glass window on the front. You're not married to them, or bound by any sort of loyalty to them. Shoot whatever you enjoy shooting with, and go try them all. Choose by experimentation, not from reading interwebz forums. Hands on experience wins

Bassaidai Contributing Member • Posts: 801
Re: So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)

MinAZ wrote:

The Mann Clann wrote:

I think I'm soon going to be in a similar position. Which FF did you choose?

I'll send you a PM.

Why don't you share that here as well? So many aspects of your plans have been discussed, is this something to keep secret?

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I commiserate
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MinAZ wrote:

I had my wife help me unload the boxes of gear from our minivan, and as she handed me the last box she asked "You sure?" I said "Yes". She said "We took some great photos with these didn't we" I said "Yes".

While I count myself among those who were initially scratching their heads over how this was "goodbye," I commiserate with the sense of sorrow over parting from gear.  Particularly for pieces you've had for a long time or used heavily, it almost feels like losing a part of yourself, or an old friend.  Sure, they're just objects, but they were at your side (or on your back in a bag) during certain events and travels, and they were involved in capturing memories that you can see and share with others.  That makes them pretty special.

Or maybe I'm just sentimental like that.  There was one lens I bought off of eBay where the seller said it was his grandfather's, and sometimes I'd just find myself looking at that lens and wondering what parts of the world it might have been taken to, and what scenes it had been pointed out.  Maybe it's that lenses are the mechanical equivalent to eyes, and eyes are meaningful in so many ways to us.

Having realized that I've gone years without touching some of my lenses, like you I'll be downsizing in the near future.  It's a painful endeavor.  I hope you're a bit happier now - there is some joy to be had in being more of a minimalist!

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glassoholic
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Re: So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)

Okapi001 wrote:

glassoholic wrote:

DXO PL 2 + PRIME for RAW m43 files should be on your radar... try it... you may be very pleasantly surprised.

Discovering that he made a mistake by selling all that m4/3 gear can hardly be described as pleasant.

True!

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MinAZ wrote:

Tom Caldwell wrote:

I have not quite said goodbye to my Canon EF dslr bodies even though I still have a lot of EF lenses.

My Ricoh cameras are still considered both friends and acquaintances.

Even my NEX6 and I are still talking. My A7R is a bit of a ruffian but although we don’t speak much these days - I have not said goodbye.

Even my Samsung NX10 still gets it batteries topped up from time to time.

Of course my M4/3 gear and I am best friends, but they all understand that I am not about to replace them with my new friend the S1.

In all I am quite stupid and I will have soon to add-a-room to accommodate such a lot of friends.

It is this that I was afraid of.

Not too long ago, a local well-known photographer passed. In his wake, there were many condolences, some saddened workshop attendees who will understandably not be able to learn from him, and an estate sale that went on over a few weeks (on the weekends). Signed autographed copies of his books, piles and piles of camera gear, film, lenses, and prints. There was even a complete darkroom for sale with enlargers and so forth (with the exception of the physical room of course). In the end I picked up a copy of his book, a couple of wigs and manikin heads, and some mat boards. But what struck me was the really enormous collection of gear he left behind - how much can a man use in one lifetime? I am not close to using all the gear I bought. I have no idea why I even buy some of the things I did. I have a macro ring flash which I have never used and probably never will because honestly it is a bit of niche item. I'm not even a macro photographer, but yet I have one. And I am one of the weird people that relate each photograph to the gear I shot it with. There is this photo of my wife in a thunderstorm out near a canyon range, and the first thought that comes to mind whenever is see that is that it was shot with a Samsung NX300 and natural light. Some people practicing Kung Fu at a local fair? That was my Rebel SL1 and the kit lens. And all those difficult-to-edit images of my kids in the flower fields? Yep, Olympus

Thanks for the story.  I have just one photograph I took of my family many years ago with a 300mm f5.6 mirror lens.  Not a great photograph, not a great lens.  Just resonated with me.

I really like that lens for that one photograph - I still have it and I am well aware just how poor a lens it is - but it was worth it.

I went to the deceased estate sale many years ago of a “collector” of gear.  In this case it was tools - mainly woodworking tools - the auction was in his beautifully stocked workshop - obviously his executors could not sell it all off quickly enough.  I am not a woodworker but one thing stood out - it was a beautiful very large collection of wooden planes.  Every shape and type imaginable - large, small, offset, rebate, etc - and they were being auctioned off to various bidders one at a time.  One might of imagined that such a glorious collection should really have been kept together in the hands of another collector who would have properly appreciated them.

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MinAZ wrote:

It's been a long journey, from 4/3 to m4/3 and owning various cameras and lenses from both manufacturers, and now finally, it is time to say goodbye. In the end, I will say this: I got many great images from m4/3, it is a very decent system for those whose needs it fits, and Olympus in particular has some very nice glass. There are a few advantages unique to m4/3. But ultimately, shooting m4/3 and full frame side by side for several years, I can no longer deny that I feel more confident with the full frame system. Its not that I usually can't take the photo with Olympus, but that, let's face it, the files coming out from the full frame are just easier to edit (this was the smoking gun in the end).

So I have sold all my gear except for a few things that I am keeping just for fun/travel/wildlife photography: the OMD-EM1 Mark II (still like this one for the IBIS, and high-res mode), the PEN E-PL6 (for fun and when I travel), a couple of pro lenses for wildlife and travel, a bunch of the fun lenses, and I decided to keep the speedlites because you really don't get that much for selling them. But I've gotten rid of all the rest.

So did I make the right decision? I don't know for sure. But I have been using both systems extensively, and as the age of Full Frame mirrorless is ascendant (and the bodies become almost as compact as the EM1 line), I just cannot justify owning both anymore.

Oh my...

Your "these few m43 items I will still keep" though your thread says you are abandoning the system, is just a bit less than what I have as my whole system.. 

The E-M1 mk2, two of the pro zooms, and the 50mm/f:2 macro, rounded off by the E-M1 mk1, E-M5 mk1 & the 75mm/F:1,8.

Talk about different perspectives on things photographic.   

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MikeB2000 Regular Member • Posts: 153
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The OP says he is keeping much of his M43 equipment because of its size, weight and lens performance.  Not exactly saying goodbye!

Each system has its strengths and weaknesses.  And I suspect that for most on this forum, M43's size, weight, and cost outshine any perceived FF advantage when editing raw files.  And I have to wonder how many M43 users actually edit raw files.

Okapi001 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,145
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Tom Caldwell wrote:

one thing stood out - it was a beautiful very large collection of wooden planes. Every shape and type imaginable - large, small, offset, rebate, etc - and they were being auctioned off to various bidders one at a time. One might of imagined that such a glorious collection should really have been kept together in the hands of another collector who would have properly appreciated them.

Off-topic:

It makes much more sense to sell  such items separately, at least as long as most of them have a reasonable probability to be sold. You will get a much better return, and if there is a collector at the auction, he or she can always bid on each and every item separately.

There are of course situations where there is a sin to break-up a collection (for example if there is a complete collection of something) , but even then it may make more sense financially to break it up, because there may be very few collectors preparing to buy the whole collections. Unless of course it's not only a complete, but also a unique collection.

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Clicker518 New Member • Posts: 7
Re: So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)
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Sounds like this will work better for you with the quality of the raw file you want.

yes it’s okay to own more then one system.

I sold years of my Nikon DSLR years ago and went to Olympus. 4/3..physically I can’t look back, and am pleased with the quality.

enjoy your new system...

Clicker518 New Member • Posts: 7
Re: So finally saying goodbye to m4/3 (sad)

Mike, I edit raw files...shoot mainly raw with manual controls...

MikeB2000 wrote:

The OP says he is keeping much of his M43 equipment because of its size, weight and lens performance. Not exactly saying goodbye!

Each system has its strengths and weaknesses. And I suspect that for most on this forum, M43's size, weight, and cost outshine any perceived FF advantage when editing raw files. And I have to wonder how many M43 users actually edit raw files.

RoelHendrickx
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MinAZ wrote:

It's been a long journey, from 4/3 to m4/3 and owning various cameras and lenses from both manufacturers, and now finally, it is time to say goodbye. In the end, I will say this: I got many great images from m4/3, it is a very decent system for those whose needs it fits, and Olympus in particular has some very nice glass. There are a few advantages unique to m4/3. But ultimately, shooting m4/3 and full frame side by side for several years, I can no longer deny that I feel more confident with the full frame system. Its not that I usually can't take the photo with Olympus, but that, let's face it, the files coming out from the full frame are just easier to edit (this was the smoking gun in the end).

So I have sold all my gear except for a few things that I am keeping just for fun/travel/wildlife photography: the OMD-EM1 Mark II (still like this one for the IBIS, and high-res mode), the PEN E-PL6 (for fun and when I travel), a couple of pro lenses for wildlife and travel, a bunch of the fun lenses, and I decided to keep the speedlites because you really don't get that much for selling them. But I've gotten rid of all the rest.

So did I make the right decision? I don't know for sure. But I have been using both systems extensively, and as the age of Full Frame mirrorless is ascendant (and the bodies become almost as compact as the EM1 line), I just cannot justify owning both anymore.

What you are keeping, sounds like a very competent system in its own right (two bodies and a couple of PRO lenses)...

Where and how did you sell the rest?

(I am still very happy with µFT but there are a number of FT items that I should really try to sell, because they are gathering dust, however much I used to enjoy using them.)

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I think more than you think (retouching raw files)
One of my compromises in keeping a lightweight system is knowing that i'll likely have to spend a decent amount of time processing files to my taste. With smaller sensor cameras I typically have to spend more time squeezing/slowly massaging the file to the quality that I want.

With FF cameras the files are a lot more forgivable and you can push and pull without the rest of your images suffering as much so you can just go for it rather than tip-toe around it even then you hit that wall much sooner.
Pick your poison - weight or flexibility/iq
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James Stirling
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glassoholic wrote:

MinAZ wrote:

It's been a long journey, from 4/3 to m4/3 and owning various cameras and lenses from both manufacturers, and now finally, it is time to say goodbye. In the end, I will say this: I got many great images from m4/3, it is a very decent system for those whose needs it fits, and Olympus in particular has some very nice glass. There are a few advantages unique to m4/3. But ultimately, shooting m4/3 and full frame side by side for several years, I can no longer deny that I feel more confident with the full frame system. Its not that I usually can't take the photo with Olympus, but that, let's face it, the files coming out from the full frame are just easier to edit (this was the smoking gun in the end).

So I have sold all my gear except for a few things that I am keeping just for fun/travel/wildlife photography: the OMD-EM1 Mark II (still like this one for the IBIS, and high-res mode), the PEN E-PL6 (for fun and when I travel), a couple of pro lenses for wildlife and travel, a bunch of the fun lenses, and I decided to keep the speedlites because you really don't get that much for selling them. But I've gotten rid of all the rest.

So did I make the right decision? I don't know for sure. But I have been using both systems extensively, and as the age of Full Frame mirrorless is ascendant (and the bodies become almost as compact as the EM1 line), I just cannot justify owning both anymore.

Fair enough... although it seems you still have more m43 gear than many here lol!

Just curious... did you ever process RAW with DXO Photolab 2 + PRIME? If this software did not exist, I probably wouldn't have invested as heavily in m43 as I have.

Thanks to suggestions of many here I tried out Photolab 2 and prime NR , I did not find it to be any better than other popular NR software.  NR even the sophisticated versions is always at the expense of detail { a line you are dancing with shooting high ISO any way } . I am also reasonably sure that the software works on other makes of cameras in then end maintaining the status quo

A recent bit of NR software I am finding effective for my limited high ISO shooting is the new Topaz AI denoise . Of course whenever humanly possible avoidance of high ISO is the way to go

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