sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

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sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

I just dont get how the sony outclasses the canon to warrent almost a $400 price difference and was hoping sony fans could maybe shed some light for me. I would like a good camera thats not bulky for vlogging and discrete for travel, but 1300 for a 1" sensor is pushing it.

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mcshan Veteran Member • Posts: 4,294
Re: sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II
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If, IF I was in the market for a point and shoot I most likely would lean towards the Canon G5X II or the RX100 5A over the mk7. I seldom zoom that often and based on my past shooting the faster lens of the 5A and new Canon would appeal to me more. We all won't agree on this and it wouldn't be a fun forum if we did. That said, I have only seen maybe 25 sample shots from the new Canon and that just isn't enough. If the lens is weak that would leave me with the 5A. I was excited when Canon released the G1X III...APS-C sensor in a reasonably small body with a zoom lens. Problem was that after shooting with it for three or four days I thought the lens was a weak point (just my take OR bad sample) of the camera. The Leica X Vario is a much better fixed lens zoom camera and I have one. I tried the Canon wanting to go a bit smaller.

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Markr041 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,182
What about the G7 X Mark III?

Faster lens, built-in ND filter, also mic input, full touch screen compared with the new Sony. Now 4K video with no crop. Much cheaper.

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Re: sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

donsalvadori wrote:

I just dont get how the sony outclasses the canon to warrent almost a $400 price difference and was hoping sony fans could maybe shed some light for me. I would like a good camera thats not bulky for vlogging and discrete for travel, but 1300 for a 1" sensor is pushing it.

I have no idea how good or bad Sony lens is, but this one is G5X Mark I:

at 24mm (FF), DPReview test image

at 28mm (FF)

I heard Sony followed the Canon's trend of cheating with their latest offerings, but before, their 24-70mm (FF) variants seemed to be much better than Canon's.

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Re: What about the G7 X Mark III?

Markr041 wrote:

Faster lens, built-in ND filter, also mic input, full touch screen compared with the new Sony. Now 4K video with no crop. Much cheaper.

below is G7X Mark I's image:

at 24mm (FF)

Is Mark III's lens better than this one? I hate Sony's ergonomics, but Canon's quality is a no-no for me!

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Re: sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

while I like the Leica X Vario, I don't like the conspicuousness of that fabled red dot

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OP donsalvadori Regular Member • Posts: 165
Re: What about the G7 X Mark III?

is this the new one they released? If so my bad as I was looking at canon website and assumed the model I mentioned was their new release

Digital Nigel Veteran Member • Posts: 9,253
Re: What about the G7 X Mark III?

buratino wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Faster lens, built-in ND filter, also mic input, full touch screen compared with the new Sony. Now 4K video with no crop. Much cheaper.

below is G7X Mark I's image:

at 24mm (FF)

Is Mark III's lens better than this one? I hate Sony's ergonomics, but Canon's quality is a no-no for me!

It's almost certainly the same lens, with unchanged optics,  as the original G7X.

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LarryB2 Regular Member • Posts: 199
Im buying a Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II
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I will be selling my VI and buying the Canon G5XII.  I miss having a ND filter and will like the faster lens.   24-120 zoom range is very good.   I see the stabilization is much better on the Canon.  Sony’s stabilization is not good.

Also love the touch menus of Canon.   I see the autofocus is not as fast as the Sony’s but it doesn’t bother me as I shoot static subjects.

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Digital Nigel Veteran Member • Posts: 9,253
Re: Im buying a Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

LarryB2 wrote:

I will be selling my VI and buying the Canon G5XII. I miss having a ND filter and will like the faster lens. 24-120 zoom range is very good. I see the stabilization is much better on the Canon. Sony’s stabilization is not good.

It's pretty good on the RX100M6. See this example, shot at 1/13 sec, 200mm equiv zoom:

This handheld shot was taken at 200mm equiv, 1/13 sec, ISO6400 (RAW, processed in DxO PL2 and Topaz DeNoise AI)

Also love the touch menus of Canon. I see the autofocus is not as fast as the Sony’s but it doesn’t bother me as I shoot static subjects.

Have you made the decision before seeing the G5Xii's RAW images or any reviews?

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LenRivers Senior Member • Posts: 1,268
Re: sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

I actually would agree maybe the canon is a rebranded Sony where canon put their touches with a Sony shell design. Maybe that viewfinder is not patented however that stuff works since they are similar. Yes going to 120 mm past 70 mm is pretty good.

I have to look again but lower light performance in casual situations is my interest in a camera type like this.  I know there is only so much you can do and concessions are made but the Sony rx100 vi was terrible for my use.  The other problem that does not speak to the camera ability are outdoor landscape type images. Any camera can do that and the image looks great.  That is not the usual at least for what I want.

LarryB2 Regular Member • Posts: 199
Re: Im buying a Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

Good point as there are not many reviews.  Hopefully they will start popping up before I make the purchase.  I may wait and see if Sony introduces a new VB with all of the features of the VII and built in ND filter.  That would be a good camera.

Last year they introduced the VA shortly after the VI was announced.

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mermaidkiller Contributing Member • Posts: 916
Re: What about the G7 X Mark III?

buratino wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Faster lens, built-in ND filter, also mic input, full touch screen compared with the new Sony. Now 4K video with no crop. Much cheaper.

below is G7X Mark I's image:

at 24mm (FF)

Is Mark III's lens better than this one? I hate Sony's ergonomics, but Canon's quality is a no-no for me!

I have both Sony RX100M6 and Canon G7Xii, but the ergonomics is rather similar. And these RAWs can simply be corrected with Adobe RAW.

Sony has better AF than Canon but the AF is OK.

We are so spoiled with this oversaturated market. So much choice.

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vallhall Senior Member • Posts: 1,058
Re: sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

donsalvadori wrote:

I just dont get how the sony outclasses the canon to warrent almost a $400 price difference and was hoping sony fans could maybe shed some light for me. I would like a good camera thats not bulky for vlogging and discrete for travel, but 1300 for a 1" sensor is pushing it.

No match!, the Sony is way way better!!!!

PS: read Gordon Langs rewiev of both!

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Digital Nigel Veteran Member • Posts: 9,253
Re: What about the G7 X Mark III?

mermaidkiller wrote:

buratino wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Faster lens, built-in ND filter, also mic input, full touch screen compared with the new Sony. Now 4K video with no crop. Much cheaper.

below is G7X Mark I's image:

at 24mm (FF)

Is Mark III's lens better than this one? I hate Sony's ergonomics, but Canon's quality is a no-no for me!

I have both Sony RX100M6 and Canon G7Xii, but the ergonomics is rather similar. And these RAWs can simply be corrected with Adobe RAW.

DxO is much better for lens correction than ACR.  And even then, you get soft, noisy corners and  edges with the G7X because of the heavy barrel distortion and vignetting. The RX100M6 is better,  and the older RX100 models better still at the wide end.

Sony has better AF than Canon but the AF is OK.

It's OK for static focusing (AS-S), hopeless for continuous focusing (AF-C,  which I think Canon calls AF Servo).

We are so spoiled with this oversaturated market. So much choice.

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Markr041 Veteran Member • Posts: 7,182
Re: What about the G7 X Mark III?
  • buratino wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Faster lens, built-in ND filter, also mic input, full touch screen compared with the new Sony. Now 4K video with no crop. Much cheaper.

below is G7X Mark I's image:

at 24mm (FF)

Is Mark III's lens better than this one? I hate Sony's ergonomics, but Canon's quality is a no-no for me!

The RX100 VI and VII has even worse crop at 24mm. Check it out. Much worse, right?

See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62947688

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Re: What about the G7 X Mark III?
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Markr041 wrote:

  • buratino wrote:

Markr041 wrote:

Faster lens, built-in ND filter, also mic input, full touch screen compared with the new Sony. Now 4K video with no crop. Much cheaper.

below is G7X Mark I's image:

at 24mm (FF)

Is Mark III's lens better than this one? I hate Sony's ergonomics, but Canon's quality is a no-no for me!

The RX100 VI and VII has even worse crop at 24mm. Check it out. Much worse, right?

See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62947688

I see - you refer to my yesterday's post! I am not anti-Canon. I immediately expressed my negative opinion about the same cheating in the case of Sony. I just believe we customers have the full right to know exactly what we getting and what is possible in the design and what is not. For example, in the link you refer to OP wanted a bigger sensor!! For what? to see image circle completely within the sensor? Well, OP just did not know the truth about the design limitations of those wonders.

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Re: sony RX100 mk7 vs Canon PowerShot G5 X Mark II

donsalvadori wrote:

I just don't get how the sony outclasses the canon to warrant almost a $400 price difference and was hoping sony fans could maybe shed some light for me.

Easy, 200mm equiv vs 120mm equiv. Simple as that. People with ICL cameras pay big bucks for longer lenses so that should be easy to understand. Some people want more telephoto range and prefer the rx100 MK6/7. Some people are happy with a shorter range and go for the two Canons. Some people are happy with the 24-70 faster lens in the RX100Va. Me I shoot an RX10vi 24-600mm because I want all the zoom I can get.

One last thing. According to reviews the Sony cameras have sharper lenses.

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Digital Nigel wrote:

mermaidkiller wrote:

buratino wrote:

below is G7X Mark I's image:

at 24mm (FF)

Is Mark III's lens better than this one? I hate Sony's ergonomics, but Canon's quality is a no-no for me!

I have both Sony RX100M6 and Canon G7Xii, but the ergonomics is rather similar. And these RAWs can simply be corrected with Adobe RAW.

DxO is much better for lens correction than ACR. And even then, you get soft, noisy corners and edges with the G7X because of the heavy barrel distortion and vignetting. The RX100M6 is better

I don't see how the RX100VI is better in that regard. Distortion and vignetting look essentially identical to me:

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