G85 lens bundle vs. GX85 bundle

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Richrf
Richrf Contributing Member • Posts: 553
G85 lens bundle vs. GX85 bundle

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone can give me v some quick advice on the Pany kit lenses that are being bundled with the G85 and GX85.

The G85 bundle includes the 12-60 and 45-200 vs the GX85 bundle that includes the 12-32 and 45-150. Are all of these lenses standard kit quality lenses or does one of the bundles include a higher quality lens(s). Thanks for the help!

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pannumon Senior Member • Posts: 2,363
Re: G85 lens bundle vs. GX85 bundle

Richrf wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone can give me v some quick advice on the Pany kit lenses that are being bundled with the G85 and GX85.

The G85 bundle includes the 12-60 and 45-200 vs the GX85 bundle that includes the 12-32 and 45-150. Are all of these lenses standard kit quality lenses or does one of the bundles include a higher quality lens(s). Thanks for the help!

There are two versions of 12-60mm lenses. The kit lens is f/3.5 - f/5.6. The more expensive one is Panasonic Leica 12-60mm f/2.8 - 4.0. It is sometimes bundled for example with G9. With G85 I am quite sure the lens is the cheaper kit version.

All the lenses mentioned are decent, except some people don't like the 45-200mm. The 12-32 and 45-150mm are much smaller than the 12-60mm and 45-20mm lenses.

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uniball Senior Member • Posts: 2,075
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I’m just starting out with m4/3. Have all 3. The only potential keeper from my POV is the 12-32, sharp, tiny. My copy of the P12-60 is not all that sharp. Unfortunate as the fl and modest speed work well for a daylight travel zoom. I don’t shoot long so I won’t comment on the long zoom.

I would not base any body buying decision on the inclusion of these lenses.

larsbc Forum Pro • Posts: 15,861
Re: G85 lens bundle vs. GX85 bundle

Richrf wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone can give me v some quick advice on the Pany kit lenses that are being bundled with the G85 and GX85.

The G85 bundle includes the 12-60 and 45-200 vs the GX85 bundle that includes the 12-32 and 45-150. Are all of these lenses standard kit quality lenses or does one of the bundles include a higher quality lens(s). Thanks for the help!

I haven't used the 12-32 or 45-150.  I have the 12-35/2.8 and the 12-60/3.5-5.6 lenses, though.  I also have the 14-45 which had a great reputation for a kit lens.    IMO the 12-60 kit lens is quite good and I would prefer it over the 12-32 due to its longer focal range and the fact that it has a manual focus ring.  Of course, the downside is that it is larger and heavier.  More importantly, though, is that I think the G85 is a better choice than the GX85 if you don't mind it's larger size.  The G85 has a much better viewfinder, better in body stabilization, better video in 1080p, and more physical controls, plus it is weather proofed.  It also has a longer battery life.

Richrf
OP Richrf Contributing Member • Posts: 553
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Thanks everyone for helping me out with my decision! Any further thoughts are welcomed. Thanks again!

Mark9473 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,914
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I have both the G85 and the GX85, and the G85 is vastly more fun to use due to more extensive controls and much better EVF. The output they give is the same.

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Barry Twycross Senior Member • Posts: 1,286
Re: G85 lens bundle vs. GX85 bundle

Richrf wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone can give me v some quick advice on the Pany kit lenses that are being bundled with the G85 and GX85.

The G85 bundle includes the 12-60 and 45-200 vs the GX85 bundle that includes the 12-32 and 45-150. Are all of these lenses standard kit quality lenses or does one of the bundles include a higher quality lens(s). Thanks for the help!

The 12-32 is a surprisingly good lens, and is amazingly tiny, it's the one I use most of the time.

I'm not so sure about the 45-150, but it is also pretty small for the reach it has (though I prefer the 35-100 f4, which is smaller and better optically).

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macsesso Regular Member • Posts: 271
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I have the G 85 now which I bought when I sold the GX 85  IMHO the main difference in the two was the smaller size of the GX 85 and the articulating screen vs. the tilt

I much prefer the G85. As another poster mentioned, the G 85 is more fun to use plus it has a better grip Mine came with the 3.5 12 60 which fine for my needs

Be advised that the G85 and 12 60 are splash/dust resistant while the GX 85 kit is not

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brentbrent Veteran Member • Posts: 3,930
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I've owned or own the 12-32 and the 45-150, and both deliver good images. Most owners of the 12-60 f/3.5-5.6 seem to praise it. It is more versatile than the 12-32 and is also weather-resistant, a plus. Note that the 12-32 does not have a manual focus ring. On Panasonic cameras you can supposedly manually focus it using buttons on the back or a slider on the LCD, but I consider it strictly an autofocus lens.

Never owned the 45-200. From comments by others on the original version of this lens, I regarded it as a big heavy dog with mediocre image quality, but I've read comments by some people praising the Mark II version of this lens, so perhaps it's fine.

My choice of two out of those four lenses would be the 12-60 and the 45-150, but since that combination is not an option, I think I'd still go with the G85 bundle.

But if the smaller size and rangefinder-style body of the GX85 appeal to you, that's a good bundle as well.

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Richrf
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Thanks everyone for your additional comments and assistance.

I decided to go with the G85. I decided if I didn't like the 45-200, I'll sell it on eBay and get a prime which I do want. But I'm hoping the 45-200 is good enough. Thanks again! Up

alcelc
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I have the 12~32 and 45~150 which are my current travel setup. 45~200 mk-I which has similar optical IQ as mk-II is sitting idol in my auto dry cabinet.

IMHO 12~32 and 45~150 are among the best of their class (kit zoom lens) and as read, 12~60 has similar IQ to 12~32.

Regarding 45~200, except for the 50 longer reaching vs 45~150 (not significant in telephoto land), it is larger and heavier, and has to stop down to f/7.1~8 for better result matching with what 45~150 can produce wide open (i.e. slowest f/5.6). A reason I replaced 45~200 by 45~150.

So, for the 2 sets of lenses, 12~60 has more versatile zoom range than 12~32, but 45~150 IMHO is an easier lens to use than 45~200.

If you mind to swap lenses often, 12~60 is a better choice. Otherwise 12~32 + 45~150 is alright (a reason to use ILC instead of fixed lens camera).

If you are size and weight sensitive (otherwise why use the compromise M43?), 12~32 + 45~150 is the better option.

However, I also wish you to know GX85, which is only an upper entry to mid range model. G85 is a higher spec mid range line of products. They are very different models for different application. If you need a Swiss pocket knife sort of camera, GX85 is a good option. It is very capable, can be used for many general shooting in a reasonable size. But not WR, ergonomically not very good, no Mic input for serious video, lack of certain AF fine tuning etc making G85 is for more serious shooting.

I won't make my decision upon the kit lenses. In grey market, 12~32 is a sub US$100 lens and 45~150 is around US$130~150 only. If you de-kit one lens like 45~200 for one of another package, the trade in cost can compensate majority cost of replacement. IMHO better look for which body rather than the lenses coming with them.

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Richrf
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alcelc wrote:

I have the 12~32 and 45~150 which are my current travel setup. 45~200 mk-I which has similar optical IQ as mk-II is sitting idol in my auto dry cabinet.

IMHO 12~32 and 45~150 are among the best of their class (kit zoom lens) and as read, 12~60 has similar IQ to 12~32.

Regarding 45~200, except for the 50 longer reaching vs 45~150 (not significant in telephoto land), it is larger and heavier, and has to stop down to f/7.1~8 for better result matching with what 45~150 can produce wide open (i.e. slowest f/5.6). A reason I replaced 45~200 by 45~150.

So, for the 2 sets of lenses, 12~60 has more versatile zoom range than 12~32, but 45~150 IMHO is an easier lens to use than 45~200.

If you mind to swap lenses often, 12~60 is a better choice. Otherwise 12~32 + 45~150 is alright (a reason to use ILC instead of fixed lens camera).

If you are size and weight sensitive (otherwise why use the compromise M43?), 12~32 + 45~150 is the better option.

However, I also wish you to know GX85, which is only an upper entry to mid range model. G85 is a higher spec mid range line of products. They are very different models for different application. If you need a Swiss pocket knife sort of camera, GX85 is a good option. It is very capable, can be used for many general shooting in a reasonable size. But not WR, ergonomically not very good, no Mic input for serious video, lack of certain AF fine tuning etc making G85 is for more serious shooting.

I won't make my decision upon the kit lenses. In grey market, 12~32 is a sub US$100 lens and 45~150 is around US$130~150 only. If you de-kit one lens like 45~200 for one of another package, the trade in cost can compensate majority cost of replacement. IMHO better look for which body rather than the lenses coming with them.

Thanks much for your advice. Really appreciate it!

FunGuy66
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Richrf wrote:

Thanks everyone for your additional comments and assistance.

I decided to go with the G85. I decided if I didn't like the 45-200, I'll sell it on eBay and get a prime which I do want. But I'm hoping the 45-200 is good enough. Thanks again! Up

My experience with the 45-200 on the G85 was that it could be very good with close subjects, while using it to zoom in on distant subjects generally made its flaws obvious. Purple fringing can also be an issue in some circumstances. (I've since upgraded to the 100-300.)

There is debate on the size of it... to some it's terribly huge, to others it's pretty compact for its reach. I think your perception here depends on your experience, if any, with other long zooms. In any case, whichever side you take, there's no denying that there are smaller zooms in this category even if they don't go all the way to 200.

Curious to read your impressions once it arrives!

pannumon Senior Member • Posts: 2,363
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FunGuy66 wrote:

My experience with the 45-200 on the G85 was that it could be very good with close subjects, while using it to zoom in on distant subjects generally made its flaws obvious. Purple fringing can also be an issue in some circumstances. (I've since upgraded to the 100-300.)

I had similar experiences with the 14-140 mk 1 lens (f/4-5.8). It was good on close subjects but not so good with distant objects at longest focal lenght. I have used other lenses with similar focal lenght, and I think they were better, but no scientific testing. The otiginal 14-140 and 45-200 were released almost the same time, and they may share design (philosophy).

There is debate on the size of it... to some it's terribly huge, to others it's pretty compact for its reach.

I would not pair it with GX85, but with G85 it may be OK if size is not the main priority.

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pannumon wrote:

FunGuy66 wrote:

There is debate on the size of it... to some it's terribly huge, to others it's pretty compact for its reach.

I would not pair it with GX85, but with G85 it may be OK if size is not the main priority.

I found the size just fine on the G85, but there was a hitch: the girth of the 45-200 is quite substantial near the mount end, and the G85's tripod socket is oddly positioned, near the front of the camera rather than centered.

Put those two things together, and you may not be able to use this combo on a tripod if you are using a quick-release mounting plate that protrudes in front of the body, which some do because of the socket placement.

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