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Where Is the Camera Industry Headed In this Ridiculous Resolution War?

Started Jul 17, 2019 | Discussions

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MrALLCAPS • Senior Member • Posts: 2,089

Re: It's the future

In reply to robert1955 • Jul 20, 2019

robert1955 wrote:

Old Ricoh User wrote:

lewiedude2 wrote:

Old Ricoh User wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2019/07/19/is-sonys-pace-of-innovation-actually-hurting-the-photo-industry/

How about this: if it is on petapixel it is probably click bait and not worth your time

Total waste of the time I spent reading and I stopped when

you stopped to early, because there was also a gem about the annual refresh rate, in which he counted all A7 models as one to get such a rate

the author reasoned the point that was being made where Sony, as a conglomerate, can spend more on R&D

They could in theory, but in a diversified conglomerate divisions either have to generate their onw R&D money or compete internally

than Canon and Fuji. Sure, more than Nikon or Leica, but Canon and Fuji?? How are those two MAJOR conglomerates at a disadvantage with Sony and are labeled as companies not innovating by way of R&D leading to productively innovative products???? Sure, Canon was slow to get to the mirrorless sector, but they did. Fuji? They have been innovating like crazy since the X-T1. Come on. This thread needs to get euthanized.

Who has made the majority of the sensors for these cameras up until last year ?

With the market shares I'd say Canon is the biggest maker of photographic sensors

Sony is far ahead of Canon and somewhat ahead of Fuji which is a good thing. Fuji is still making cameras for photographers first and not gear heads even though some on here act like one. If Fuji was they would already have consumer grade cameras that were 36 or 50 megapixels, they would have 5 way stabilization, they would have 3 or 4 variations of the same camera,

all xtrans cameras of the same generation are basically the same camera

and they would be upgrading their cameras every 9 months. Don't compare Fuji to Sony and pray to God they don't try to become like them

Sony is good for making something, then acting like they never did... Betamax, mini disk, clie, etc... they may be doing well with the A7, but I'd stay clear of Sony stuff. I don't trust them.

Keep Sony's BS far away from fujifilm. Fuji should stay the course.

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007peter • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,933

Truth = because its $ PROFITABLE $, selling expensive Toy for Old Men

In reply to Batdude • Jul 21, 2019

Batdude wrote: I mean, who on earth needs so much resolution??? I am going to guess that only a few photographers need such cameras. I certainly don't.

While I do agree with you, I feel the need to point out:

the world Do Not Revolve around you
just because you don't need it, doesn't means others don't need it
If other people are willing to PAY for it, what is it TO YOU??
Go buy what you need, but also
Allow others to ENJOY whatever the TOY they want to buy
Stop being a Camera Nazi - forcing people to conform to you narrow mindedness

I'm not happy regarding where the camera industry is heading why?

1) Having to edit large files for no good reason

2) Too time consuming

3) Will have to upgrade computer system and hardware. I just did that close to two years ago and I'm already starting to feel like the system I got is too slow and I'm only PP 16MP files. Yes for sure I have noticed that storage has gone down in price dramatically but still, what's the point?

EASY, don't buy Sony A7R1/R2/R3/R4, and don't buy any 50mp Fuji Mid Format. Done!

Yeah I can simply select the lower resolution file size setting in the camera, but still, what's the point?

the point is YOU are NOT the target of a $3500 camera. Its too expensive, too many resolution, too many feature for you to afford.

I have no beef with that but man I think this is getting way our of hand and I find all this ridiculous.

Just don't buy it. I don't see the problem. I"m mainly a video shooter myself, so these Mega-pixel monster are lost on me. However, I don't go around FORCING traditonal still shooter to buy into my needs for a Low Resolution video camera with amazing high iso.

Lastly, the only reason why Camera Industry is keep making these Mega-Pixel Monster is because it is highly $ Profitable $ to sell them. MegaPixel monster are:

Targeted @old male retiree between 50+ ~ 100yrs
They work hard for their money, and hardly spend on themselves
They often put their wife & children 1st, but now it is time to Reward Himself
He is too old to ride a Hardly Davidson, without an arching back
He is too fat to get inside an uncomfortable Ferrari that is barely 47" in height
He has Money to Burn but need a TOY that he can spend his money on
That is where Sony A7RIV and Fuji GX comes in
That is when men don't bat an eye spending $5000 on super-telephoto
It is the Last Toy before they died
this is highly profitable market for the camera makers

It is NOT for you, nor for me, but there are plenty of MEN who are willing to buy them. Who are you to tell them what to do with their hard-earned money???

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MikePennPhoto • Senior Member • Posts: 1,540

Re: Truth = because its $ PROFITABLE $, selling expensive Toy for Old Men

In reply to 007peter • Jul 21, 2019

007peter wrote:

Batdude wrote: I mean, who on earth needs so much resolution??? I am going to guess that only a few photographers need such cameras. I certainly don't.

While I do agree with you, I feel the need to point out:

the world Do Not Revolve around you

just because you don't need it, doesn't means others don't need it

If other people are willing to PAY for it, what is it TO YOU??

Go buy what you need, but also

Allow others to ENJOY whatever the TOY they want to buy

Stop being a Camera Nazi - forcing people to conform to you narrow mindedness

I'm not happy regarding where the camera industry is heading why?

1) Having to edit large files for no good reason

2) Too time consuming

3) Will have to upgrade computer system and hardware. I just did that close to two years ago and I'm already starting to feel like the system I got is too slow and I'm only PP 16MP files. Yes for sure I have noticed that storage has gone down in price dramatically but still, what's the point?

EASY, don't buy Sony A7R1/R2/R3/R4, and don't buy any 50mp Fuji Mid Format. Done!

Yeah I can simply select the lower resolution file size setting in the camera, but still, what's the point?

the point is YOU are NOT the target of a $3500 camera. Its too expensive, too many resolution, too many feature for you to afford.

I have no beef with that but man I think this is getting way our of hand and I find all this ridiculous.

Just don't buy it. I don't see the problem. I"m mainly a video shooter myself, so these Mega-pixel monster are lost on me. However, I don't go around FORCING traditonal still shooter to buy into my needs for a Low Resolution video camera with amazing high iso.

Lastly, the only reason why Camera Industry is keep making these Mega-Pixel Monster is because it is highly $ Profitable $ to sell them. MegaPixel monster are:

Targeted @old male retiree between 50+ ~ 100yrs

They work hard for their money, and hardly spend on themselves

They often put their wife & children 1st, but now it is time to Reward Himself

He is too old to ride a Hardly Davidson, without an arching back

He is too fat to get inside an uncomfortable Ferrari that is barely 47" in height

He has Money to Burn but need a TOY that he can spend his money on

That is where Sony A7RIV and Fuji GX comes in

That is when men don't bat an eye spending $5000 on super-telephoto

It is the Last Toy before they died

this is highly profitable market for the camera makers

It is NOT for you, nor for me, but there are plenty of MEN who are willing to buy them. Who are you to tell them what to do with their hard-earned money???

Yeah, sure..

I'll let you when a day passes where I don't see some late 20s early 30s something at my coffee shop comparing their latest cameras. It's funny watching them with a new camera every 6 to 10 months.

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MikePennPhoto • Senior Member • Posts: 1,540

Re: A counterpoint

In reply to Joachim Gerstl • Jul 21, 2019

Joachim Gerstl wrote:

dv312 wrote:

I agree for most intents and purposes, 26MP would be sufficient

But if you do birding like myself, cropping would be the norm so the more pixels the merrier for you can never get close enough to the birds

Instead of carrying longer and heavier lenses, you'd shoot with larger density sensors and crop at post

61MP is not outrageously excessive if you have to crop 50%, 70% (this is perfectly normal in birding)

I'd love to have Fuji offer a larger MP sensor just for that reason alone

For now that A7R4 looks mightily attractive at least for my needs

Cheers,

Except it doesn't. It is full frame so no built in teleconverter like with APS-C. That 61 MP are just 30 MP in crop. What you want is a super high res crop camera.

There was a time when I thought the 12 MP of the D300 are excessive coming from cameras like the D1 and D2H.