Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?

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Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?
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Minolta_A2 wrote:

Just curious if anyone chose to keep both lenses.

I have 12-100mm f4.0. I'm 110% satisfied with it.
Then there is 40-150mm f2.8 Pro. The lens that I WAS equally interested in.
To me, the difference in focal length between the two lenses is not significant enough to buy another. However, I understand the difference between f2.8 and f4.0 is still meaningful.

If you have both of them and chose to keep both, I want to hear about your experience, something that numbers and specs can't tell. Or if you chose to sell either one after experiencing both, which one did you keep? What was the reason?

Thanks in advance.

That’s a hard one.  I also am not about to part.

40-150 perfect images, heavy, internal focusing/zoom, no IS

12-100 very good, lighter, lens extends, has IS.

I will always pick internal focusing if I had a choice.  The 12-100 comes over as a very capable lens and well deserves it.  But the 40-150 comes over as an engineering masterpiece when only the best will do.  Too close to call - that is why if you do somehow have both then they are both hard to part with.

But for those just looking for a capable good value lens the first time around then the 12-100 has a lot going for it.  But it does extend like pinocchio’s nose - if that is no worry then there are no worries.

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Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?
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Yes I have both.

They are not the same beast. One I keep for convenience, one for ultimate IQ and for situations of worse light or where less DoF might be wanted.

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Photo Pete Veteran Member • Posts: 4,976
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This is a really tough question to answer. Like others, I originally had the 12-40 and 40-150 and 1.4tc. All were extensively used, with the 40-150, with and without the TC being used as my sports lens.

The quality and results from the 40-150 made it by far my favourite lens.

There were two issues I had.

1- For walk around and event shooting I found myself often shooting between 25mm and 100mm and swapping lenses all the time was annoying.

2- For field sports (like junior football) and wildlife I found the 40-150, even with TC, a bit too short.

To overcome (1) I bought the 12-100. Superb. So good I got rid of the 12-40. Whilst my 40-150 was getting less use in the 40-100 range it was still my go to lens for sports and action, particularly with the 1.4 TC in the bag too.

To overcome (2) I bought the 100-400. Great. But now my 40-150 got less use in the 100-150 range as well, with or without TC. I couldn’t think of getting rid of it though as it was better for low light, closer range or indoor sports, handled better and produced sharper images.

The result is that for most trips my favourite lens (the 40-150) is getting left at home because other lenses cover a wider range more effectively.

Damn you 12-100 and 100-400... you have bullied my 40-150 and ruined my fun with it!

I’m really hoping the 2x TC works well on the 40-150. If it can come close to IQ of the 100-400 in the 100-300 range then my 40-150 will find a home in my bag again, with the 100-400 being reserved for trips to the zoo instead (never really loved that lens for some reason... it just feels a bit too bulky and clunky in use compared to the 40-150)

so, my answer to the OP’s question is that the 40-150 works really well alongside the 12-100, especially with the 1.4 TC in the bag too. The 1.4x TC would be on it by default, giving me a two lens solution of 12-100 f4 and 56-200 f4 with the option of a 40-150 f2.8 when the light levels drop. The problem is not how the 12-100 and 40-150 interact but rather how the 40-150 is squeezed out by the combination of the 12-100 and 100-400. The 40-150 needs some help from a good 2x TC to fight its way back into my bag on a regular basis.

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In my mind, the 12-100 is great when you just want one lens that’s super sharp and you don’t need subject isolation.

The 40-150 is good enough for outdoor event work. Definitely sharp, but still doesn’t have the good subject isolation of a 70-200 on FF.

But that’s why the 75mm 1.8 exists...

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Photo Pete wrote:

This is a really tough question to answer. Like others, I originally had the 12-40 and 40-150 and 1.4tc. All were extensively used, with the 40-150, with and without the TC being used as my sports lens.

The quality and results from the 40-150 made it by far my favourite lens.

There were two issues I had.

1- For walk around and event shooting I found myself often shooting between 25mm and 100mm and swapping lenses all the time was annoying.

2- For field sports (like junior football) and wildlife I found the 40-150, even with TC, a bit too short.

To overcome (1) I bought the 12-100. Superb. So good I got rid of the 12-40. Whilst my 40-150 was getting less use in the 40-100 range it was still my go to lens for sports and action, particularly with the 1.4 TC in the bag too.

To overcome (2) I bought the 100-400. Great. But now my 40-150 got less use in the 100-150 range as well, with or without TC. I couldn’t think of getting rid of it though as it was better for low light, closer range or indoor sports, handled better and produced sharper images.

The result is that for most trips my favourite lens (the 40-150) is getting left at home because other lenses cover a wider range more effectively.

Damn you 12-100 and 100-400... you have bullied my 40-150 and ruined my fun with it!

I’m really hoping the 2x TC works well on the 40-150. If it can come close to IQ of the 100-400 in the 100-300 range then my 40-150 will find a home in my bag again, with the 100-400 being reserved for trips to the zoo instead (never really loved that lens for some reason... it just feels a bit too bulky and clunky in use compared to the 40-150)

so, my answer to the OP’s question is that the 40-150 works really well alongside the 12-100, especially with the 1.4 TC in the bag too. The 1.4x TC would be on it by default, giving me a two lens solution of 12-100 f4 and 56-200 f4 with the option of a 40-150 f2.8 when the light levels drop. The problem is not how the 12-100 and 40-150 interact but rather how the 40-150 is squeezed out by the combination of the 12-100 and 100-400. The 40-150 needs some help from a good 2x TC to fight its way back into my bag on a regular basis.

Pretty much my dilemma too!

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Terrible Photographer wrote:

In my mind, the 12-100 is great when you just want one lens that’s super sharp and you don’t need subject isolation.

This one is a bit relative and also depends on personal preference, but I must say I was surprised by how well the 12-100mm handles subject isolation.  I find that from around 40mm and longer (even maybe 35mm and longer), even though it's f/4 there is still pretty good subject isolation.  The background isn't blurred into pure colors, of course, but the sheer sharpness of the lens contributes to making it very obvious what the subject of focus is, and what's out of focus.  And once the focal lengths get even longer - say 70mm and up - the background blurs out pretty well.

It's not my preferred portrait lens, but I've always been pleased when I found myself using it for that purpose.

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Velocity of Sound wrote:

Terrible Photographer wrote:

In my mind, the 12-100 is great when you just want one lens that’s super sharp and you don’t need subject isolation.

This one is a bit relative and also depends on personal preference, but I must say I was surprised by how well the 12-100mm handles subject isolation. I find that from around 40mm and longer (even maybe 35mm and longer), even though it's f/4 there is still pretty good subject isolation. The background isn't blurred into pure colors, of course, but the sheer sharpness of the lens contributes to making it very obvious what the subject of focus is, and what's out of focus. And once the focal lengths get even longer - say 70mm and up - the background blurs out pretty well.

It's not my preferred portrait lens, but I've always been pleased when I found myself using it for that purpose.

Yes... at 70+ mm and f4.0 it separates background for portraits nicely... not eyelash only DOF but a nice tip of nose to back of ears type.

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Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?
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Terrible Photographer wrote:

In my mind, the 12-100 is great when you just want one lens that’s super sharp and you don’t need subject isolation.

The 40-150 is good enough for outdoor event work. Definitely sharp, but still doesn’t have the good subject isolation of a 70-200 on FF.

But that’s why the 75mm 1.8 exists...

Weather permitting. If I wanted the isolation of FF I'd be shooting FF. 40-150/2.8 fine for my use.

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MikeB2000 Forum Member • Posts: 83
Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?

You guys are killing me.  I bought the 12-40 F/2.8 last year, and now wish I would have spent a bit more for the 12-100.  Last time out with the camera, I would have killed for more reach w/o changing  lenses.  (In my case it was changing to the basic 40-150 which is pretty decent for the money, in my amateur opinion).

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Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?
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Minolta_A2 wrote:

Just curious if anyone chose to keep both lenses.

I have 12-100mm f4.0. I'm 110% satisfied with it.
Then there is 40-150mm f2.8 Pro. The lens that I WAS equally interested in.
To me, the difference in focal length between the two lenses is not significant enough to buy another. However, I understand the difference between f2.8 and f4.0 is still meaningful.

If you have both of them and chose to keep both, I want to hear about your experience, something that numbers and specs can't tell. Or if you chose to sell either one after experiencing both, which one did you keep? What was the reason?

Thanks in advance.

This came at an interesting time for me as I have just been through this debate with myself.

Previously I had both + the PL100-400 but had to sell of both Olympus lenses to raise some money for another project (caused by joint and soft tissue damage to my shoulder).

Its now about 18 months on and I'm rebuilding my kit and physical abilities.

As part of the move I had tried the 12-200 as a dual range lens to cover both lenses but found I couldn't live with its lower IQ compared with the pro lenses, so I traded it in for a used but as new 12-100 (which is as good as I remembered it )

Now I was left with the PL100-400 which I was finding is getting too heavy for me(old age + still some muscle weakness problems) and with the advent of the MC-20 I have decided to trade that in for a used 40-150 pro with 1.4X TC.

If that deal goes through and funds permit I then plan to get the MC-20 (a friend has one on order to use with his 40-150 pro so I will get some first hand experience with it prior to purchase )

The deciding factor for me was looking back over my past images produced using both lenses and looking at both the quality of those images and confirming that there was a sufficiently different range of uses for each that the apparent duplication would not be a problem.

The fact that both lenses are now available as used copies, with good warranties and at around 60% of full purchase price was the deciding kick to make the moves

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Svein Eriksen Senior Member • Posts: 1,931
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Brian Wadie wrote:

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Now I was left with the PL100-400 which I was finding is getting too heavy for me(old age + still some muscle weakness problems) and with the advent of the MC-20 I have decided to trade that in for a used 40-150 pro with 1.4X TC.

…..

Olympus 40-150F2.8 + 1.4x TC is almost exactly as heavy as Panasonic 100-400.

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Svein Eriksen wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

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Now I was left with the PL100-400 which I was finding is getting too heavy for me(old age + still some muscle weakness problems) and with the advent of the MC-20 I have decided to trade that in for a used 40-150 pro with 1.4X TC.

…..

Olympus 40-150F2.8 + 1.4x TC is almost exactly as heavy as Panasonic 100-400.

on the other hand, when I take the 1.4 TC off the difference is 760g vs 985g (and I do know I'm sacrificing reach to save weight )

Its all a matter of compromise and what makes sense to me may not to others, which is fine as I can only be worried about my requirements

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Joakim Edsjö Regular Member • Posts: 185
Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?
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Not too much to add here I guess, but I also first got the 40-150/2.8 and later the 12-100/4. I use both, but for slightly different situations:

1) 12-100 I use for general photography, travel photography, but also some action when I want to also go wider, or be more compact. It is really a fantastic lens that works for so many different situations.

2) 40-150/2.8 I use mainly for action. I prefer the smoothness of the zoom ring, brighter aperture and longer reach.

If I had got the 12-100 first, I am not sure I would also have gotten the 40-150/2.8, but now that I have them both, I use them both and have no intention of selling either.

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I have all three - 12-100, 12-40 and 40-150. There’s no substitute for f2.8 when it’s needed for dimly lit interiors. The 12-100 is a great lens but I tend to use it more for general purpose come travel. That one stop from f2.8 to f4 makes a surprising difference.

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Brian Wadie wrote:

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Its all a matter of compromise and what makes sense to me may not to others, which is fine as I can only be worried about my requirements

I've no problem understanding that you want to get the weight down - that's also one of my main reasons for using MFT. However, according to the specs the 40-150 is 880 gram, and that's very close to the 100-400. Basically the same with a 1.4x TC and actually a bit more with a 2x TC.

https://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/lenses/olympus_m_40-150_2p8_pro

There are certainly other reasons for preferring the 40-150, like faster and better lens without the TC, internal zoom, probably better weather sealing etc, but the weight difference is really small.

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Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?
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Svein Eriksen wrote:

Brian Wadie wrote:

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Its all a matter of compromise and what makes sense to me may not to others, which is fine as I can only be worried about my requirements

I've no problem understanding that you want to get the weight down - that's also one of my main reasons for using MFT. However, according to the specs the 40-150 is 880 gram, and that's very close to the 100-400. Basically the same with a 1.4x TC and actually a bit more with a 2x TC.

https://www.dpreview.com/products/olympus/lenses/olympus_m_40-150_2p8_pro

There are certainly other reasons for preferring the 40-150, like faster and better lens without the TC, internal zoom, probably better weather sealing etc, but the weight difference is really small.

I think we are going round in circles a bit, its 760g without the tripod foot, which is how I would use it hand-held

880g with the foot, which is how I would use it if working off the monopod (at which point, as I suspect you are trying to point out, the weight difference becomes negligible) but as above, I was responding to why I made the decision to have both lenses again not seeking to justify my decisions to anyone.

I do read spec sheets, understand them and relate this knowledge to my requirements, which are / should be irrelevant to anyone but myself

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I have both lens and I am keeping both and have Never thought about selling either of them. They are 2 Completely different tools in my work flow.

The 40-150mm is for Sports, concerts, wedding ceremony, because of the F2.8 and the efl.

The 12-100mm is for travel, weddings reception used with Flash, and outdoor daylight football especially in near the goal line.

I'm on vacation now and my wife has Only used the Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II with the 12-100mm for the entire week.

These are both Amazing lenses, neither needs stopping down for sharpness and they are very lightweight for the efl.

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Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?
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I own and keep both and the reasons are:

  • I use the 12-100 as my travel lens for landscape work (where I mostly shoot at 6.4 - 8f) and the 40-150 mostly for portraits and wildlife (where 2.8f matters)
  • The 40-150 can be used with the MC1.4 and soon the MC2.0 teleconverters whereas the 12-100 has dual IS on my EM1ii

Both are amazing lenses and I love them for their distinct capabilities

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Re: Who has both Olympus 12-100mm and 40-150mm f2.8?

Photo Pete wrote:

This is a really tough question to answer. Like others, I originally had the 12-40 and 40-150 and 1.4tc. All were extensively used, with the 40-150, with and without the TC being used as my sports lens.

The quality and results from the 40-150 made it by far my favourite lens.

There were two issues I had.

1- For walk around and event shooting I found myself often shooting between 25mm and 100mm and swapping lenses all the time was annoying.

2- For field sports (like junior football) and wildlife I found the 40-150, even with TC, a bit too short.

To overcome (1) I bought the 12-100. Superb. So good I got rid of the 12-40. Whilst my 40-150 was getting less use in the 40-100 range it was still my go to lens for sports and action, particularly with the 1.4 TC in the bag too.

To overcome (2) I bought the 100-400. Great. But now my 40-150 got less use in the 100-150 range as well, with or without TC. I couldn’t think of getting rid of it though as it was better for low light, closer range or indoor sports, handled better and produced sharper images.

The result is that for most trips my favourite lens (the 40-150) is getting left at home because other lenses cover a wider range more effectively.

Damn you 12-100 and 100-400... you have bullied my 40-150 and ruined my fun with it!

I’m really hoping the 2x TC works well on the 40-150. If it can come close to IQ of the 100-400 in the 100-300 range then my 40-150 will find a home in my bag again, with the 100-400 being reserved for trips to the zoo instead (never really loved that lens for some reason... it just feels a bit too bulky and clunky in use compared to the 40-150)

so, my answer to the OP’s question is that the 40-150 works really well alongside the 12-100, especially with the 1.4 TC in the bag too. The 1.4x TC would be on it by default, giving me a two lens solution of 12-100 f4 and 56-200 f4 with the option of a 40-150 f2.8 when the light levels drop. The problem is not how the 12-100 and 40-150 interact but rather how the 40-150 is squeezed out by the combination of the 12-100 and 100-400. The 40-150 needs some help from a good 2x TC to fight its way back into my bag on a regular basis.

Photo Pete ,

Ive got good and bad news for you ..... you should have not sold the 40-150 ..... I like it a bit more with the choice of 1.4 converter and the 2.0 converter ...!

Is that a bummer 

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Bummer for me ... I am still doubting to get the 14-100 ... choices choices 

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