Best low light FF Canon DSLR

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steks New Member • Posts: 11
Best low light FF Canon DSLR

Is there somewhere info to be found to figure out which camera is most light sensitive? I am thinking of buying a secondhand 5D/5Dii of 6D to use indoors with a 50mm prime. For other situations my 77D is more than enough for my use.

Canon EOS 6D Canon EOS 77D / EOS 9000D
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BAK Forum Pro • Posts: 24,777
What is your deliverable?

I don't think you'll see better 8 x 12 low light prints than the ones you get from your current camera.

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Jon_T Veteran Member • Posts: 4,455
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Welcome to the forum.

IMO since you're using the 77D the 6D would be a good 'choice' for its low light abilities, and its size/ weight closest to APC-S DSLR's like your 77D.

Just note if you have EF-S lenses, you cannot mount a EF-S lens to FF DSLR.

If you have not already done, read the DPR "Canon EOS 6D In-Depth Review" HERE .

FYI some 6D RAW PP images; EXIF data in images:

4000 ISO

6400 ISO

12800 ISO

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Jon

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Waldemar Senior Member • Posts: 1,567
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I think you´d need something like a Nikon D750 to get visibly (in print!) cleaner high ISO shots than from your 77D.  Canon´s current APS-C sensor is pretty good.

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OP steks New Member • Posts: 11
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Thank you for the reactions, maybe a bit more info from me would be nice. I have a few lenses, Yongnuo 35mm f/2, Yongnuo 50mm f/1.8, Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 and Some lenses with a smaller aperture. Indoors and in low light situations I primarely use the YN 35 to shoot pictures of my kids, even with the aperture wide open I often need an relative high ISO with a shutterspeed of around 1/50.  Because of that i only have a small percentage of keepers an even those aren’t really perfect. I could use an external flash, but rather I do without.

Now I am thinking of buying a faster 30/35mm prime like the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 Art, Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art, or Yongnuo 35mm f/1.4, but then I thought maybe i get a better result with a secondhand FF camera and a 50mm f/1.8 (the one i have, or a better one).

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Id' get the EOS R honestly.

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CameraCarl Veteran Member • Posts: 6,630
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The 6D has by far better low light capabilities than any of the 5D- series through the III, and, some say high ISO images are cleaner than even the 5D Mark IV.

OP steks New Member • Posts: 11
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Morvegil wrote:

Id' get the EOS R honestly.

I am also thinking about the EOS RP, but than i want tot wait for about a year to save some money and see id there will be affordable RF lenses.

Andy01 Senior Member • Posts: 2,641
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steks wrote:

Thank you for the reactions, maybe a bit more info from me would be nice. I have a few lenses, Yongnuo 35mm f/2, Yongnuo 50mm f/1.8, Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 and Some lenses with a smaller aperture. Indoors and in low light situations I primarely use the YN 35 to shoot pictures of my kids, even with the aperture wide open I often need an relative high ISO with a shutterspeed of around 1/50. Because of that i only have a small percentage of keepers an even those aren’t really perfect. I could use an external flash, but rather I do without.

Now I am thinking of buying a faster 30/35mm prime like the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 Art, Sigma 35mm f/1.4 Art, or Yongnuo 35mm f/1.4, but then I thought maybe i get a better result with a secondhand FF camera and a 50mm f/1.8 (the one i have, or a better one).

I have a M5 (same sensor as 77D) and a 6D ii, and the M5 is generally limited to around ISO1600 before noise intrudes to much for my likely, whereas the 6D ii is about ISO6400, so FF is probably better by around 2 stops IMO.

I have no idea whether the Yongnuo lenses you have are FF compatible, but the Sigma 17-50mm is not - it will vignette.

I would suggest a 6D if you are budget constrained, or a 6D ii. The R is probably better, but significantly more $. The RP has the same sensor as the 6D ii, but obviously needs an adapter for non-RF lenses.

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steks wrote:

Is there somewhere info to be found to figure out which camera is most light sensitive? I am thinking of buying a secondhand 5D/5Dii of 6D to use indoors with a 50mm prime. For other situations my 77D is more than enough for my use.

Of those you listed, the 6D, definitely. The newer ones do not offer any/much low light improvements.

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I've found the 1DX2 does a great job in low light, but can only compare it to a 7D2 and 5dsr.

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MarshallG Veteran Member • Posts: 7,242
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J A C S wrote:

steks wrote:

Is there somewhere info to be found to figure out which camera is most light sensitive? I am thinking of buying a secondhand 5D/5Dii of 6D to use indoors with a 50mm prime. For other situations my 77D is more than enough for my use.

Of those you listed, the 6D, definitely. The newer ones do not offer any/much low light improvements.

Yup. The FF definitely beat the 80D but they're pretty similar to each other:

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison?attr18=lowlight&attr13_0=canon_eos6d&attr13_1=canon_eos5dmkiv&attr13_2=canon_eos6dmkii&attr13_3=canon_eos7dii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=25600&attr16_1=25600&attr16_2=25600&attr16_3=25600&normalization=full&widget=1&x=-0.8745494505494505&y=0.1300839789225718

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Let me give you a different answer.

You said you had problems with high noise when shooting pictures of your children with the Yongnuo 35mm f/2. I assume this is with ambient lighting only or with the built-in flash.

My suggestion is that you buy yourself a good TTL hot-shoe flash and learn to bounce the light off the ceiling or a wall to give you good light on your subjects. One of these hot-shoe flash units will be several times brighter than the 77D's built-in flash.

Using a bounced flash will let you reduce your ISO sufficiently to reduce the noise problem. Increasing the in-camera noise reduction a small amount will give you clean Straight Out Of Camera (SOOC) JPGs, or you can do the noise reduction in post if you preferre.

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The Zoom TTL R2 uses four AA batteries while the Zoom Li-Ion R2 TTL uses a LI-Ion battery for more shots from a single charge.

The Zoom-Mini TTL R2 also uses only 2 AA batteries but it is only half as powerful as the other two flash units.

Buying two sets of batteries plus an intelligent charger makes the total cost of the Zoom TTL R2 about the same as buying the Zoom Li-Ion R2 TTL flash.

I recommend the Zoom LI-Ion R2 TTL flash as the best overall buy at $179.

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John Sheehy Forum Pro • Posts: 22,161
Re: Best low light FF Canon DSLR

MarshallG wrote:

J A C S wrote:

steks wrote:

Is there somewhere info to be found to figure out which camera is most light sensitive? I am thinking of buying a secondhand 5D/5Dii of 6D to use indoors with a 50mm prime. For other situations my 77D is more than enough for my use.

Of those you listed, the 6D, definitely. The newer ones do not offer any/much low light improvements.

Yup. The FF definitely beat the 80D but they're pretty similar to each other:

It comes down in real world to what optics you are using.

If you don't get the bigger lens with the larger entrance pupil with shallower DOF, for the same angle of view, the larger-sensor camera does not deliver, noise-wise, above base ISO.

It just so happens that DPReview "accidentally" tested the 5D4 at ISO 32000, which it usually doesn't do, but this is convenient for comparing in "equivalence" of angle of view, DOF, photon noise, and diffraction, which you would get with the same entrance pupil size and similar pricing in a lens.  When you compare the 7D2 to the 5D4 that way (12800 vs 32000), noise is about the same in daylight mode, and the 7D2 is slightly cleaner in incandescent mode.  This would carry over to cropping from the 5D4 vs using the 7D2, and in that case, the resolution ranking would flip, with the 7D2 then having the most resolution.

Larger sensor sizes do not give better high ISO performance by themselves; they absolutely require larger lenses to do the same angle of view, and get that extra light.  There is no automatic magic in larger sensor size in isolation, except for using Av mode at base ISO, where you simply fill all the photosites on the larger center near capacity, regardless of whether you're using an f/0.9 lens or a pinhole cap.

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steks wrote:

Is there somewhere info to be found to figure out which camera is most light sensitive? I am thinking of buying a secondhand 5D/5Dii of 6D to use indoors with a 50mm prime. For other situations my 77D is more than enough for my use.

The 1Dx series has the least noise at high ISOs.  They are a bit expensive, though, and if you don't go with one of those, you have the 5D4 and 6D (original "mark I") as the next runner-ups, with the 6D being much less expensive, but it has no EC available in auto-ISO + M mode, if that is important to you.

The AF in the 6D can be very accurate, even in low light, but it is fairly slow, compared to the other cameras mentioned.

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MarshallG Veteran Member • Posts: 7,242
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John Sheehy wrote:

MarshallG wrote:

J A C S wrote:

steks wrote:

Is there somewhere info to be found to figure out which camera is most light sensitive? I am thinking of buying a secondhand 5D/5Dii of 6D to use indoors with a 50mm prime. For other situations my 77D is more than enough for my use.

Of those you listed, the 6D, definitely. The newer ones do not offer any/much low light improvements.

Yup. The FF definitely beat the 80D but they're pretty similar to each other:

It comes down in real world to what optics you are using.

If you don't get the bigger lens with the larger entrance pupil with shallower DOF, for the same angle of view, the larger-sensor camera does not deliver, noise-wise, above base ISO.

It just so happens that DPReview "accidentally" tested the 5D4 at ISO 32000, which it usually doesn't do, but this is convenient for comparing in "equivalence" of angle of view, DOF, photon noise, and diffraction, which you would get with the same entrance pupil size and similar pricing in a lens. When you compare the 7D2 to the 5D4 that way (12800 vs 32000), noise is about the same in daylight mode, and the 7D2 is slightly cleaner in incandescent mode. This would carry over to cropping from the 5D4 vs using the 7D2, and in that case, the resolution ranking would flip, with the 7D2 then having the most resolution.

Larger sensor sizes do not give better high ISO performance by themselves; they absolutely require larger lenses to do the same angle of view, and get that extra light. There is no automatic magic in larger sensor size in isolation, except for using Av mode at base ISO, where you simply fill all the photosites on the larger center near capacity, regardless of whether you're using an f/0.9 lens or a pinhole cap.

It’s a little difficult to follow you sometimes, but are you saying that a FF camera is equal or worse than a crop camera if you crop the image you shot with the FF camera?   I understand that’s very meaningful in stuff like bird and maybe sports photography. If my most expensive lens was a 100-400 and I didn’t have 500-600mm glass (which is incredibly heavy and expensive), then I see your point.

There aren’t many small fast APS-C lenses, except Fuji ($$$). In Canon, I think every fast lens is a FF lens anyway.

I think that’s your point, and if so, it make sense to me.

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Dr_Jon Veteran Member • Posts: 6,108
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It depends on what you mean, if you mean the best DR then above ISO 1000 they are basically all the same. (At the image level, a 5Dsr won't do so well at the pixel level...)
At low ISO the 5D4 just edges it from the 1Dx2 and R.

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%201D%20X%20Mark%20II,Canon%20EOS%205D%20Mark%20IV,Canon%20EOS%205DS%20R,Canon%20EOS%206D,Canon%20EOS%206D%20Mark%20II,Canon%20EOS%20R

Adapting Canon glass onto an A7-3 or A7r-3 may give a better result though.

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John Sheehy wrote:

MarshallG wrote:

J A C S wrote:

steks wrote:

Is there somewhere info to be found to figure out which camera is most light sensitive? I am thinking of buying a secondhand 5D/5Dii of 6D to use indoors with a 50mm prime. For other situations my 77D is more than enough for my use.

Of those you listed, the 6D, definitely. The newer ones do not offer any/much low light improvements.

Yup. The FF definitely beat the 80D but they're pretty similar to each other:

It comes down in real world to what optics you are using.

He said a 50mm prime, so that pretty much settles it. Hard to get the same light with crop unless he meant the old 50/2.5 macro.

If you don't get the bigger lens with the larger entrance pupil with shallower DOF, for the same angle of view, the larger-sensor camera does not deliver, noise-wise, above base ISO.

It just so happens that DPReview "accidentally" tested the 5D4 at ISO 32000, which it usually doesn't do, but this is convenient for comparing in "equivalence" of angle of view, DOF, photon noise, and diffraction, which you would get with the same entrance pupil size and similar pricing in a lens. When you compare the 7D2 to the 5D4 that way (12800 vs 32000), noise is about the same in daylight mode, and the 7D2 is slightly cleaner in incandescent mode.

This is an interesting academic example but where people normally shoot, the 5D4 is 1 stop+ better than the 7D2 at the same ISO.

expro Senior Member • Posts: 1,813
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It is the body that matters the most otherwise you simply have dof problems and also subjects moving!

from your list never get the 5d as now it’s low light is prehistoric. 5d2 was much better and 6d better still.

if for can find second hand then 5div or maybe r if you don’t require fast fps but want good portrait focus ?

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steks wrote:

Morvegil wrote:

Id' get the EOS R honestly.

I am also thinking about the EOS RP, but than i want tot wait for about a year to save some money and see id there will be affordable RF lenses.

Yeah, and use the adapter and use all the EF and EF-S lenses...

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