Which (Godox) flash for new A7III owner?

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lattesweden
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Which (Godox) flash for new A7III owner?

Hi!

I shot with a Sony original flash myself on my Sony FF body since that is what I managed to find quickly when I needed a flash, so I bit the bullet and payed the premium price it came with.

Now a friend of mine is about to leave Canon and get himself an A7III body and needs a good flash reasonable in budget for it.

  • I have read a lot about Godox, but have no own knowledge of those to advice him with. But Godox seems a good brand and not too expensive?
  • Which model would be good to buy (see use cases below)?
  • I have seen that the radio control units are fairly priced as well, which one of those would be a good fit if he wants to add one later?
  • Is there any other flash brand you think could be worth checking out and/or is there any other thing to think about when getting a new flash?

His primary flash subjects:

  • Portrait sessions with models indoors and outdoors (So TTL and HSS is needed).
  • Event photography in low light indoors (Focus Assist Light might be handy, but not necessary. And he also could have use for a simple small diffusor).

Thanks for the help and best regards from Sweden!
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fjbyrne
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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version
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If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version

fjbyrne wrote:

If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

Thanks, we are both in Sweden. Is there any translation table available between the models names/numbers when branded Flashpoint vs Godox?

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bsas
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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version
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fjbyrne wrote:

If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

I second on the Adorama "Flashpoint". Same flashes, same price, but full warranty in US and sometimes you get some fancy extras like carrying bags

But, answering your original question, I personally think it is better to start small to see if you enjoy the system and then you go big when you want.

Start with the $84 low power flash:

TT350S:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmminiso.html

This small guy is very handy to start and to travel light, and it can double up as a trigger (so, you don't need to buy the remote trigger at first).

Then, if you want a powerful flash but don't need the Lithium battery convenience and fast charge, go with the TT685S that is cheaper:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzso.html

And, if you want a small strobe, far more powerful, go with the amazing eVOLV 200:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfev200z.html

The best thing about the Godox system is that you can slowly build up on it. When you buy an "upgrade", you can still use the smaller units as fill lights or second / third lights, so, you never "loose" money on the investment

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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version
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lattesweden wrote:

fjbyrne wrote:

If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

Thanks, we are both in Sweden. Is there any translation table available between the models names/numbers when branded Flashpoint vs Godox?

Godox to Flashpoint:

Small flash, battery based: Godox TT350 > Flashpoint Zoom-Mini TTL R2

Standard flash, battery based: Godox TT685 > Flashpoint Zoom TTL R2

Standard flash, lithium based: Godox V860II > Flashpoint Zoom Li-ion R2

Portable strobe: Godox AD200 > Flashpoint eVOLV 200

All Godox flashes (not strobes because they are universal) have a letter at the end that it is for its compatibility (S = Sony, O = Olympus/Panasonic, C = Canon, N = Nikon).

Example: TT350s = small flash for Sony hotshoes.

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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version

bsas wrote:

lattesweden wrote:

fjbyrne wrote:

If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

Thanks, we are both in Sweden. Is there any translation table available between the models names/numbers when branded Flashpoint vs Godox?

Godox to Flashpoint:

Small flash, battery based: Godox TT350 > Flashpoint Zoom-Mini TTL R2

Standard flash, battery based: Godox TT685 > Flashpoint Zoom TTL R2

Standard flash, lithium based: Godox V860II > Flashpoint Zoom Li-ion R2

Portable strobe: Godox AD200 > Flashpoint eVOLV 200

All Godox flashes (not strobes because they are universal) have a letter at the end that it is for its compatibility (S = Sony, O = Olympus/Panasonic, C = Canon, N = Nikon).

Example: TT350s = small flash for Sony hotshoes.

Ok, thanks!

What is the real world difference between battery based flashes with good quality batteries, like rechargeable NiMH vs the Lithium based ones?

And also if I remember correctly Godox has one radio controller with working Focus Assist Light for Sony? Which one is that?

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bsas
bsas Contributing Member • Posts: 618
Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version

lattesweden wrote:

bsas wrote:

lattesweden wrote:

fjbyrne wrote:

If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

Thanks, we are both in Sweden. Is there any translation table available between the models names/numbers when branded Flashpoint vs Godox?

Godox to Flashpoint:

Small flash, battery based: Godox TT350 > Flashpoint Zoom-Mini TTL R2

Standard flash, battery based: Godox TT685 > Flashpoint Zoom TTL R2

Standard flash, lithium based: Godox V860II > Flashpoint Zoom Li-ion R2

Portable strobe: Godox AD200 > Flashpoint eVOLV 200

All Godox flashes (not strobes because they are universal) have a letter at the end that it is for its compatibility (S = Sony, O = Olympus/Panasonic, C = Canon, N = Nikon).

Example: TT350s = small flash for Sony hotshoes.

Ok, thanks!

What is the real world difference between battery based flashes with good quality batteries, like rechargeable NiMH vs the Lithium based ones?

Mainly, Lithium batteries can be more powerful than NiMH or even alkaline batteries, so, it can help with recycle time and longevity (number of flashes).

But, it is more expensive (obviously because Lithium is expensive and you need to add a charger) and it is hard to replace if the battery goes bad. That is pretty much it, to be honest, the V860II is basically the TT685 with Lithium...

And also if I remember correctly Godox has one radio controller with working Focus Assist Light for Sony? Which one is that?

In theory the old X1T (Flashpoint R2 Transmitter) and the XPro (Flashpoint R2 Pro Transmitter) had focus assist. Some people reports that the focus assist on the old X1T was a little better, but, the new Mark II (Flashpoint R2 Mark II Flashpoint R2) is, in theory, the best one on that but I never tested.

I honestly always use my TT350 as a transmitter, so, I don't know for sure which one is better. But, in theory, Focus Assist lights don't help mirrorless cameras as much as they do with SLRs, so, I never stressed that much about that

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kli
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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version
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lattesweden wrote:

fjbyrne wrote:

If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

Thanks, we are both in Sweden. Is there any translation table available between the models names/numbers when branded Flashpoint vs Godox?

Flash Havoc has one for all the models. But purchasing overseas from Adorama or B&H (who don't rebrand, but do the same type of warranty support) isn't typically feasible, when you add on shipping and VAT.  Dunno if using Adorama's Amazon reseller status would work for you.

Godox's own website list of retailers shows https://www.photax.se/ as a Swedish retailer. You might want to contact them and see if they'll support the warranty period. If they do, then that's pretty similar to what Adorama and B&H do for US purchasers. Their website doesn't list most of the speedlight models, though, only the TT350/V350 and V860II.

The main reason you want a retailer that will exchange a bad unit for the warranty period is that Godox is in China. Calling them, or sending them a bad unit will typically cost more than the unit itself does, and they tend not to answer any emails sent to them.

The other issue is that there's one piece of gear that's an Adorama exclusive (the R2 Pro II transmitter), so it's difficult to get outside the US.

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distel Junior Member • Posts: 37
Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version
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Hey,

I last week got the AIII and bought a TT350s with it:

3 Reasons I was going with the 350:
- it is small and fits in my travle kit
- it is compatible with the bigger once of Godox
- the price

I am very happy with the flash and it fits my needs perfectly as I have it on the camera and use it as a light filler when taking pictures of my recently born twins.

Best regards,

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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version
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kli wrote:

lattesweden wrote:

fjbyrne wrote:

If you are in the US I would suggest getting the Flashpoint re-brand sold by Adorama since you can get better warranty service. I have the following that has worked well for me on my A7III:

https://www.adorama.com/fplfsmzl2so.html

https://www.adorama.com/fprrr2prosii.html?rfkref=productPage

Thanks, we are both in Sweden. Is there any translation table available between the models names/numbers when branded Flashpoint vs Godox?

Flash Havoc has one for all the models. But purchasing overseas from Adorama or B&H (who don't rebrand, but do the same type of warranty support) isn't typically feasible, when you add on shipping and VAT. Dunno if using Adorama's Amazon reseller status would work for you.

Godox's own website list of retailers shows https://www.photax.se/ as a Swedish retailer. You might want to contact them and see if they'll support the warranty period. If they do, then that's pretty similar to what Adorama and B&H do for US purchasers. Their website doesn't list most of the speedlight models, though, only the TT350/V350 and V860II.

The main reason you want a retailer that will exchange a bad unit for the warranty period is that Godox is in China. Calling them, or sending them a bad unit will typically cost more than the unit itself does, and they tend not to answer any emails sent to them.

The other issue is that there's one piece of gear that's an Adorama exclusive (the R2 Pro II transmitter), so it's difficult to get outside the US.

Thanks, really good info here!

I have come to the same conclusion as you that Photax is one of the dealers in Sweden that sells Godox. Their full listing is here: https://www.photax.se/search?q=godox

Photax says that they leave 1 year warranty. I think they need to honor the 3 years we have as a law as well for filing a complaint on a product, though the law is somewhat under warranty as protection and you as a consumer need to to "prove" that the problem hasn't occurred as your fault and that the product had the fault originally.

I also found that Scandinavian Photo sells Godox in Sweden:

https://www.scandinavianphoto.se/sok?q=godox&sortBy=popularity&count=24&v_e56f6e370a104174940adfc145b6b244=Sony

And Kameradoktorn (the camera doctor):
https://www.kameradoktorn.se/Search?search=godox

Finally we can buy from Amazon in Germany without any freight cost if we purchase for at least 29 Euros. A quick look said that there where some Godox products in the EU Amazon warehouse, which then makes the freight within the EU = no custom charges. Swedish VAT they do correct for which is a little higher than the German VAT that is included in the prices listed on the Amazon.de homepage, so prices go up slightly than what is seen here:

https://www.amazon.de/s?k=godox&__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss_1

So plenty of sources to buy from.
Just need to figure out which flash to go for.

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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version

lattesweden wrote:

... So plenty of sources to buy from.

Good job hunting down all the sources!

Just need to figure out which flash to go for.

If you want a TTL speedlight, there are five models to choose from (links to to Flash Havoc descriptions of each model):

There are also two single-pin manual-only speedlights, the TT600 and V850II. They can, however be M-power-control and HSS radio slaves in the Godox system. But on the camera hotshoe, they are manual-only and can only be manual only radio transmitters.

The "TT" versions uses 2xAA batteries and have an external battery pack port (Canon connector); the "V" version uses a li-on pack with roughly 3x the capacity of a set of AAs (and a faster recycle time) and do not have external battery pack ports. Otherwise, they're feature and UI-identical.

The 350 models are mini speedlights. 2-3 stops less than a full-sized speedlight (so, 1-2 stops less than a 430EX II/430EX III-RT). Only swivels 270º, no sync port, no external battery pack port, and no recycle beep. But can be radio master/slave in the Godox system, and they're the perfect size/weight to balance on a small mirrorless body when used on-camera. Not designed to do cross-brand TTL, however, like the full-sized speedlights are. In Canon terms, kind of a 320EX or EL-100 analog.

The TT685/V860II are full-sized speedlights that do 360º swivel and have a recycle beep and sync ports. And the Sony versions also do WL "smart" optical wireless slave/master (although there are reports this doesn't work well with all camera bodies). These would be the closest analog to the Canon 580EXII or 600EX-RT in the Godox system.

The V1 is the newest (and most expensive model). In US prices it's $260. It's li-on, and a better radio master UI, and the round head takes magnetic modifiers directly (so you don't need a Magmod). It shares the same set of modifiers that the AD200's round head accessory uses.

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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version

kli wrote:

lattesweden wrote:

... So plenty of sources to buy from.

Good job hunting down all the sources!

Just need to figure out which flash to go for.

If you want a TTL speedlight, there are five models to choose from (links to to Flash Havoc descriptions of each model):

There are also two single-pin manual-only speedlights, the TT600 and V850II. They can, however be M-power-control and HSS radio slaves in the Godox system. But on the camera hotshoe, they are manual-only and can only be manual only radio transmitters.

The "TT" versions uses 2xAA batteries and have an external battery pack port (Canon connector); the "V" version uses a li-on pack with roughly 3x the capacity of a set of AAs (and a faster recycle time) and do not have external battery pack ports. Otherwise, they're feature and UI-identical.

The 350 models are mini speedlights. 2-3 stops less than a full-sized speedlight (so, 1-2 stops less than a 430EX II/430EX III-RT). Only swivels 270º, no sync port, no external battery pack port, and no recycle beep. But can be radio master/slave in the Godox system, and they're the perfect size/weight to balance on a small mirrorless body when used on-camera. Not designed to do cross-brand TTL, however, like the full-sized speedlights are. In Canon terms, kind of a 320EX or EL-100 analog.

The TT685/V860II are full-sized speedlights that do 360º swivel and have a recycle beep and sync ports. And the Sony versions also do WL "smart" optical wireless slave/master (although there are reports this doesn't work well with all camera bodies). These would be the closest analog to the Canon 580EXII or 600EX-RT in the Godox system.

The V1 is the newest (and most expensive model). In US prices it's $260. It's li-on, and a better radio master UI, and the round head takes magnetic modifiers directly (so you don't need a Magmod). It shares the same set of modifiers that the AD200's round head accessory uses.

Thanks, that was a really good summary!

I see that the TT350S is reasonable priced here in Sweden.

The V860II is most likely unnecessary expensive = over featured for the needs.

I see that Amazon Germany has the TT685 for a reasonable price, (but I can't find anyone selling it in Sweden):
https://www.amazon.de/Godox-TT685S-Blitzger%C3%A4t-Aufsteckblitz-Speedlite/dp/B01D9FEV2K/ref=sr_1_4?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&keywords=godox&qid=1561421287&s=gateway&sr=8-4

It will be a little pricier than a TT350S but not by much.
So the question is, should he go for the TT350S or the TT685S when the price is 10-20% difference only?

(On a side note, the V1 is to my understanding Godoxs answer to the Profoto A1 which is a Swedish company whose head quarter is opposite the Mc Donald's near my old job. Profoto says they might sue Godox for copying that model. I have no connection to Profoto except knowing an old employee of theirs).

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lattesweden wrote:

Thanks, that was a really good summary!

You're welcome.

... So the question is, should he go for the TT350S or the TT685S when the price is 10-20% difference only?

I think it depends on the intended usage. If the majority of the time it's just needed as on-camera fill and going small/light is a priority, then the TT350 is probably the better choice. If the majority of the time it will be used as a radio-controlled off-camera unit, then the TT685 would be better as the weight/size doesn't matter when a lightstand's holding it, and a dedicated transmitter would be smaller/lighter than the TT350, anyway.

Or, if on-camera event shooting will require the additional output of the TT685 then it may be worth dealing with the extra size/weight.

(On a side note, the V1 is to my understanding Godox's answer to the Profoto A1 which is a Swedish company whose headquarters is opposite the McDonald's near my old job. Profoto says they might sue Godox for copying that model. I have no connection to Profoto except knowing an old employee of theirs).

Yup. That piece of news has made the rounds. The issue here is that Profoto doesn't actually have any patents yet on the A1's design (they're submitted and pending, but not awarded), so their threat of suing Godox doesn't actually hold much water from a legal standpoint, and Godox has refutedthey've copied any of the internal design. Profoto can't successfully sue someone just because the head on their flash is round, otherwise Quantum would be on Profoto's case for copying the QFlash design, and every brand's speedlights would have a differently shaped head.   And I don't think anybody in their right minds would confuse Profoto gear with Godox's.

Now whether MagMod has a case against Profoto for the magnetic modifier approach...

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Re: Would suggest Flashpoint version

kli wrote:

... So the question is, should he go for the TT350S or the TT685S when the price is 10-20% difference only?

I think it depends on the intended usage. If the majority of the time it's just needed as on-camera fill and going small/light is a priority, then the TT350 is probably the better choice. If the majority of the time it will be used as a radio-controlled off-camera unit, then the TT685 would be better as the weight/size doesn't matter when a lightstand's holding it, and a dedicated transmitter would be smaller/lighter than the TT350, anyway.

Or, if on-camera event shooting will require the additional output of the TT685 then it may be worth dealing with the extra size/weight.

Thanks, good summary again. I'll forward this as the conclusion to my friend.

(I use the Sony HVL-F45RM myself which is serving me well in similar conditions as he will use the flash for. The Sony is a lot more expensive than the Godox ones and it will be interesting to see how they compare.)

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