How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

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biza43 Forum Pro • Posts: 10,353
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?
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Cagey75 wrote:

biza43 wrote:

Cagey75 wrote:

A_Mist wrote:

Cagey75 wrote:

If that is the case I don't see why anyone would want it over the already excellent 16-55 2.8? Sure, it's shorter, but give me the 2.8 over a bit of extra reach any day of the week.

It’s not hard to see. Longer reach and OIS.

It is hard to see for me otherwise I wouldn't have posted. For XH1 users like me ois is insignificant, and a bit of extra reach is doing what exactly?

I would guess taking pictures with that focal length? For example when traveling, as in pic below, 105mm FF at f4.

It is often nice going from 24mm to 105mm with just one lens:

Going to 120mm is even better.

Because at f4 it's not great for portraiture, it's too short for wildlife, what exactly is the region between 55 and 80 at f4 doing for you that people are so excited for?

Plenty of examples available, and a standard f4 zoom is a favourite of many pros, inclusive.

At that price I think I'd much rather have the 18-55 and a 90 f2 but hey, let people spend their money how they like. I just can't see the excitement.

Horses for courses. Sure, I like to use the 90 f2 also.

People seem to think it's going to be a lot smaller and lighter than the 16-55, I doubt it.

We will see. But that has been the norm thus far.

If it's longer and also has ois, then it's not going to be small, lighter perhaps if its mostly plastic. Even if I needed the ois I'd find this hard to get exited about. The 18-135 already exists.

Another option, but f4 at tele is better.

I understand the FL side of it, but not the price as I said, if this was a $500 lens we're talking I think it would be fantastic. But for $1000? Not so much. I mean, the 55-200 already does F4 around 80mm but it's more versatile besides if you pair that with the 18-55. And you can get both of those for about 700 used in great condition

There are several sides to this. The 16-80 f4 can also pair very well with the 10-24 f4.

As for the price, please name a standard f4 zoom that is 500 USD, and has OIS and WR. 1000 USD is the common price for such lenses. From what we know already, Fuji X WR lenses are very well built and robust. As you say, existing lenses that cover the same focal length are not as well built (WR).

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Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

Cagey75 wrote:

A_Mist wrote:

Cagey75 wrote:

If that is the case I don't see why anyone would want it over the already excellent 16-55 2.8? Sure, it's shorter, but give me the 2.8 over a bit of extra reach any day of the week.

It’s not hard to see. Longer reach and OIS.

It is hard to see for me otherwise I wouldn't have posted. For XH1 users like me ois is insignificant,

The X-H1 users are a pretty minuscule proportion of the anyone you seemed to be talking for at the outset.

and a bit of extra reach is doing what exactly? Because at f4 it's not great for portraiture, it's too short for wildlife, what exactly is the region between 55 and 80 at f4 doing for you that people are so excited for? At that price I think I'd much rather have the 18-55 and a 90 f2 but hey, let people spend their money how they like. I just can't see the excitement.

People seem to think it's going to be a lot smaller and lighter than the 16-55, I doubt it. If it's longer and also has ois, then it's not going to be small, lighter perhaps if its mostly plastic. Even if I needed the ois I'd find this hard to get exited about. The 18-135 already exists.

Gringostarr Regular Member • Posts: 136
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

akin_t wrote:

I'm looking to simplify my kit and I'm actually selling off a few things like my 18-55mm... Before I do so, I guess I would make sure I could afford the replacement.

Any idea what the 16-80mm is supposed to launch at?

https://www.fujirumors.com/czech-store-lists-fujifilm-fujinon-xf33mm-f-1-0-for-3100-and-xf16-80mm-f-4-for-1100/

Fuji rumors linked to a Czech store that already listed the 16-80 at $1,100, but I would probably knock off a couple hundred since that same store listed the 16/2.6 at almost $900 before it came out when it sells for $400. I doubt it would be $500 under that $1,100 list price like the 16/2.8 turned out t be, but I could see them charging between $700-$1000 for it.

For those looking at what other zooms to pair this with this the 10-24 & 50-140 (with the 1.4x teleconverter) would give you a constant f4 from 10-299mm with all three lenses having the exact same filter size. Also, the size and weight for the 16-80 should be about equal to the 10-24 since they use the same filter and a side by side comparison has them at equivalent size.

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Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

Gringostarr wrote:

akin_t wrote:

I'm looking to simplify my kit and I'm actually selling off a few things like my 18-55mm... Before I do so, I guess I would make sure I could afford the replacement.

Any idea what the 16-80mm is supposed to launch at?

https://www.fujirumors.com/czech-store-lists-fujifilm-fujinon-xf33mm-f-1-0-for-3100-and-xf16-80mm-f-4-for-1100/

Fuji rumors linked to a Czech store that already listed the 16-80 at $1,100, but I would probably knock off a couple hundred since that same store listed the 16/2.6 at almost $900 before it came out when it sells for $400. I doubt it would be $500 under that $1,100 list price like the 16/2.8 turned out t be, but I could see them charging between $700-$1000 for it.

For those looking at what other zooms to pair this with this the 10-24 & 50-140 (with the 1.4x teleconverter) would give you a constant f4 from 10-299mm with all three lenses having the exact same filter size. Also, the size and weight for the 16-80 should be about equal to the 10-24 since they use the same filter and a side by side comparison has them at equivalent size.

Hmm I hope it's affordable. If it's going to cost $900+ I will just keep my 18-55mm.

I just saw the equivalent pricing for the 33mm f/1 at $3,100... Lol, guess we're all going to learn how to manual focus and buy the Mitakon instead.

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Gringostarr Regular Member • Posts: 136
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

akin_t wrote:

Hmm I hope it's affordable. If it's going to cost $900+ I will just keep my 18-55mm.

I just saw the equivalent pricing for the 33mm f/1 at $3,100... Lol, guess we're all going to learn how to manual focus and buy the Mitakon instead.

Personally I'm thinking $700-900.

I really doubt it's going to be cheaper than the 18-55 but I also don't think it's going to be as much as the 10-24. The 18-135 is $900 which is probably the closest lens to the 16-80 so the question is if they make it compete directly against the 18-135 by matching it's price and make people decide between focal length and possible iq, or let the 16-80 eat into a lot of potential sales of the 18-135 by pricing it $100-200 under it.

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Probably start out at USA $600

. . . then drop to $400 after a year. f4 constant is really a small, light weight lens. I do not think this will be considered a pro quality lens so it will have a consumer price. Maybe even start at $400 USA. We will know in a month or so. Nice lens for the traveler!

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jonikon Veteran Member • Posts: 7,294
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?
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I think it safe to assume it will cost $1100, which is about what the similar AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-80mm f/2.8-4E ED VR sells for. I for one am very interested in the Fujinon 16-80mm because I briefly had the Nikon 16-80mm before I switched to Fujifilm and found the focal length range the most useful of any mid range zoom lens I have ever owned. I hope the Fujinon version doesn't have the same issues as the Nikkor 16-80 though.

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Re: Well, Nikon has an APS-C 16-80 F2.8-4....
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For $1066.95 at B&H.

I doubt seriously if Fuji's 16-80 F4 will be any less at all. Probably $1199 starting out.

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Don Karner Senior Member • Posts: 1,592
Re: What were the issues?

I've always heard good things.  Thanks for any info.

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FTOG Regular Member • Posts: 470
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?
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Cagey75 wrote:

I understand the FL side of it, but not the price as I said, if this was a $500 lens we're talking I think it would be fantastic. But for $1000? Not so much. I mean, the 55-200 already does F4 around 80mm but it's more versatile besides if you pair that with the 18-55. And you can get both of those for about 700 used in great condition

Canon hasn't had any trouble making a lot of money selling a 24-105/4.0 L IS USM at 1.000+ USD for 14 years - despite also offering a 24-70/2.8 L USM. It must have been popular and profitable, else they wouldn't have committed to updating it to a Version II.

Replacing one 16-80 with two lenses is not going to work for people who want the largest flexibility at f4.0 in one lens.

Different people have different use cases. Noone is dismissing your point of view (larger aperture, no IOS required on stabilized body, could be replaced by other lenses), so you could make a stronger effort to relate to other people's wants and needs (larger zoom range in a single lens, constant aperture compared to other Fuji standard zooms, more compact than a 18-135).

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Re: What were the issues?

Don Karner wrote:

I've always heard good things. Thanks for any info.

  • Distortion was high at 16mm
  • Center sharpness was excellent, but the edge sharpness was unacceptable at the wider focal lengths especially at 16mm f2.8. The sharp sweet spot varied widely in size with focal length and f stop, but was generally very good between 24mm to 70mm.
  • 80mm was noticeably soft at f4 except for a small area in the very center. Stoping  down didn't improve things as much as I had hoped.
  • Cheap noisy autofocus motor was too slow and an insult at $1000. I have had inexpensive Sigma lenses with better focus motors.
  • Build quality looked and felt cheap for a $1000 lens. When fully extended the lens felt wobbly.
  • No weather sealing. I had noticeable dust in the lens after a month of use.
  • Manual focus was difficult due to a fiddly focus ring (felt very cheaply made).
  • Zoom was not as smooth as it should have been, IMO.
  • Bokeh was disappointing. 

Despite theses issues I really liked having that extra 25mm of focal length, especially at social events when shooting candids. However, I had the impression that Nikon purposely did not make their 16-80mm lens as good as they could have and should have, especially for $1100. Why they did not I don't know. I just hope Fujifilm does much better.

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Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

I   guess the folks interested in this lens will rush to place an order and then hope they get a good copy.  I agree it seem a good proposition for a traveller like me to have a one lens solution, but I am lucky to have a good 18-55 and will be reluctant to part with it particularly if the 16-80 is larger, heavier and  expensive .  Then there is the IQ.  Time will tell I guess.

Adamant Contributing Member • Posts: 751
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

I think you're right. I'm expecting anywhere from $1,000 to $1,200.  Anything less would be a nice surprise.  More, and it should be a Red Label lens.

holashobby Regular Member • Posts: 343
Re: Probably start out at USA $600

Steve Bingham wrote:

. . . then drop to $400 after a year. f4 constant is really a small, light weight lens. I do not think this will be considered a pro quality lens so it will have a consumer price. Maybe even start at $400 USA. We will know in a month or so. Nice lens for the traveler!

It will be closer to $1000, less expensive than the 16-55 but more expensive than the 18-135 and 18-55 then probably settle down at $899.

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Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?
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A_Mist wrote:

Cagey75 wrote:

A_Mist wrote:

Cagey75 wrote:

If that is the case I don't see why anyone would want it over the already excellent 16-55 2.8? Sure, it's shorter, but give me the 2.8 over a bit of extra reach any day of the week.

It’s not hard to see. Longer reach and OIS.

It is hard to see for me otherwise I wouldn't have posted. For XH1 users like me ois is insignificant, and a bit of extra reach is doing what exactly? Because at f4 it's not great for portraiture, it's too short for wildlife, what exactly is the region between 55 and 80 at f4 doing for you that people are so excited for? At that price I think I'd much rather have the 18-55 and a 90 f2 but hey, let people spend their money how they like. I just can't see the excitement.

People seem to think it's going to be a lot smaller and lighter than the 16-55, I doubt it. If it's longer and also has ois, then it's not going to be small, lighter perhaps if its mostly plastic. Even if I needed the ois I'd find this hard to get exited about. The 18-135 already exists.

People have different needs. You wrote that ”...I don’t see why anyone would want it over the already excellent 16-55 2.8?”. Well now you do! The answer is simple, it has longer reach and OIS and it’s probably smaller and lighter. 55-80 matters to some. And, not everyone has X-H1.

It’s totally fine if you don’t prefer this lens, but strange that you cannot see from other perspective than yours.

I agree with A_Mist. it's good to have a choice.  Personally, I have no interest in the 16-55 (given that I opted for Fuji to reduce bulk and weight, for me it's simply too bulky and heavy). I do, however, have an interest in the 16-80 as a one stop lens for travel with the family (when patience for lens changes is problematic and where with a XT3, chosen over a XH1, OIS is useful).

I accept that other people's choice is different, so I wouldn't knock it.

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Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

$999 at launch 🚀

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Don Karner Senior Member • Posts: 1,592
Re: Wow Jon.

I really appreciate your detailed reply.

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dm333 Forum Member • Posts: 92
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

My guess is this lens will have IQ on par with the 10-24 and cost $999. The IQ and price would fit nicely between the 18-135 and 16-55.

I'm personally very interested in the lens. I don't want the size and weight of the 16-55 (and I don't need f2.8). I want better image quality than the 18-55 provides. And I really want 16mm on my mid-range zoom (18mm just feels too narrow).

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jjz2 Senior Member • Posts: 1,126
Re: How much is the XF 16-80mm f/4 going to cost?

Like others, I think it will be in the $1,000 ballpark at launch.

I've considered a Canon 15-85 with Fringer Adapter in the mean time as a travel zoom. I'm more concerned about the range than the constant f4. But I'm somebody who upgrades lenses as I get the money to do so and don't mind getting a cheaper adapted lens to hold me over until I can afford a fuji.

My current long term idea is to have 23 f2, 50 f2, 90 f2, with the 16-80 f4, then get a WR body like the x pro 2 as well. I'd likely keep the 27 2.8 pancake as well for going small on my XE 2. That could cover a whole lot of scenarios and keep the weight down.

Looking at an FOV chart, I think 23/50/90 which equates to 35/75/135 is actually a more balanced spacing than the common 35/85/135.

I primarily shoot street, travel and portraits...not much else.

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Steve Bingham
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It is an f4 lens

The new Fufi 16-80 is an f4 lens. These are a lot cheaper to build than an f2.8/f4. I also TESTED the Nikon f2.8-f4 16-80 on a large ISO 12233 chart. It certainly had distortion at the wide end! (16mm). Although it had a few problems, it was a very well made lens . . . and the best Nikon made for the DX. Very few people paid full price for the lens, especially when it was later offered as a kit lens. In fact, it was often offered, new, for $800. I will still stick with my original USA price of $800 - maybe even lower. I think many will be surprised how good this lens is for an f4 zoom.

Remember the relatively new Nikon 70-300 AF-P VR (very important)? About as sharp as you can get at a give-away price. Amazing little lens - and cheap and slow!

By the way, I won't be buying it. Very happy with my 80mm macro and 14mm wide. Not so pleased with my 18-55. Really not that sharp, but very versatile. And yes, it (the Fuji 16-80) is being tested NOW by a few photographers. (Most major manufacturers are adamant about NDAs)

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