32" or 34" 4K IPS Monitor

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OP Katonda Forum Member • Posts: 64
Re: 32" or 34" 4K IPS Monitor

CAcreeks wrote:

Bill Heiser wrote:

I've learned from experts on this topic (people who do retouching & high end printing for a living) that this same issue with monitor dot pitch also affects sharpening. e.g. its not possible to do critical sharpening on a 4K monitor. The dot pitch is so fine that it makes images appear sharp even if they're not, and you can't see the individual pixels to properly do the sharpening.

Why don't they just get a large 4K monitor with the same dot pitch as their smaller monitor?

E.g. the LG 43UD79 costs $569 with a dot pitch similar to a 24" FHD monitor. The rtings.com review looks like it would be OK except if used in the dark.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/43ud79-b

I think this would simply be too large for my desk. In addition I currently have a 1980x1200 (a little taller than FHD) on 24 inches, and I would like something with higher pixel density than that.

OP Katonda Forum Member • Posts: 64
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Katonda wrote:

ppage wrote:

According to this HP Z32 Datasheet, the warranty is 3 years, not 1 like I had originally thought. The HP website also claims 10-bit color depth as does BHPhoto . May I ask where you read the contrary?

I just checked B&H photo again and the bit depth for the HP Z32 is listed as 8-Bit+FRC while the colour gamut is 99% sRGB.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1410160-REG/hp_hp_z32_31_5_4k.html

I think all of the screens on my list are 8-bit + frc. Are there any true 10-bit under a grand?

A little correction here: The BenQ PD3200U is apparently a true native 10-bit panel.
Edit: Nvm, it is 8bit + FRC. Source was wrong.

OP Katonda Forum Member • Posts: 64
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Just a little update to my initial summary, with some new information and corrections:

All four monitors come with 3 year warranties according to their manufacturers' websites. All four have HDMI 2.0, supporting 60hz at 4K.

Here are some places where you can compare most of the specs side by side (although some aren't entirely accurate):

Tweakers (NL)

BHPhotoVideo (ENG)

DisplaySpecifications (ENG)

Prad (DE)

And for the Dell and LG compared on RTINGS (ENG)

Katonda wrote:

Here they are in increasing order of price (German Amazon prices, Q2 2019):

  • BenQ PD3200U
  • HP Z32
  • LG 32UD99
  • Dell U3219Q

In addition, here is how they rank in terms of GtG response rate (from slowest to fastest):

  • HP Z32
  • Dell U3219Q
  • LG 32UD99
  • BenQ PD3200U

And how they rank in terms of color gamut (smallest to widest, tested by professional reviewers after calibration):

  • HP Z32
  • LG 32UD99 = Dell U3219Q
  • BenQ PD3200U

BenQ PD3200U

~ €670

Oldest of the 4, this monitor has been a favorite in the semi-professional community for quite some time. As I am not a design professional, I won't be using the CAD, Animation or Dark Room modes, but the 100% sRGB and KVM switch are definitely a bonus. It's a sturdy and well-built monitor that weighs 12.5kg, with a brightness of 350cd/m², a 4ms GtG response and a contrast ratio of 1000:1. It comes with a 3 year warranty. Only downside is that I've read about issues regarding flickering, bleeding and unequal colors. How common are they?

Some useful reviews:

Prad.de (DE)

Hardware.info (NL)

Digital Trends (ENG)

PCMonitors.info (ENG)

HP Z32

~ €785

I've had a hard time finding reviews on this monitor but its specs look good. Again, it's a sturdy and well-built monitor. It weighs 12kg, with a brightness of 350cd/m² and a slower 14ms GtG response. However, it has a higher contrast ratio of 1300:1 with 99% sRGB coverage. I had trouble finding the warranty for this monitor, but I think it's only 1 year. Only drawback I've read about is that you need to deal with HP's business division for any issues as this isn't classified as a consumer product. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

One review with tested specs:

CHIP.de (DE)

I think I will have to rule this monitor out. I just haven't been able to find any detailed reviews on it and spec-wise it just doesn't seem to hold up. It seems to be a good monitor for businesses which have supplier deals with HP, but at the price I've seen it offered at, I don't think it's competitive.

LG 32UD99

~ €800

This one is popular in a lot of places, but also has some mixed reviews regarding light bleeding. This one only weighs 8.4kg, with a brightness of 350cd/m² and a 5ms GtG response. It has a wide color gamut (100% sRGB) and a similar contrast ratio to the previous one, namely 1300:1. Apart from the light bleeding, this monitor seems to only come with a 1 year warranty which I find suspect.

Some useful reviews:

RTINGS.com (ENG)

Prad.de (DE)

Hardware.info (NL)

Dell U3219Q

~ €880

The newest and most expensive model looks beautiful and has some great specs and reviews. This one weighs in at 9.1kg with a relatively higher brightness of 400cd/m². It also covers 99% sRGB. While it does have good reviews, I have a hard time justifying the extra cost when compared to the other three.

Some useful reviews:

RTINGS.com (ENG)

CHIP.de (DE)

I have a hard time justifying the extra price hear compared to the LG since they are really neck in neck. I'm also a bit worried about the flickering as I am sensitive to fluorescent lights... I'm thinking this model might also need to go on the chopping block, but damn is it pretty.

johnnyandedgar Contributing Member • Posts: 514
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We have one of these: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1083238-REG/eizo_ev3237fx_bk_led_backlit_ips.html

I know it is greater then your budget. It is just amazing.

johnnyandedgar

ppage
ppage Senior Member • Posts: 2,107
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Thanks for this.  Some interesting info. there.

Peter

ppage
ppage Senior Member • Posts: 2,107
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Eizo makes great monitors but I'm surprised that it only has an 8-bit colour depth and that the specs don't specify its colour gamut.

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Charles2 Veteran Member • Posts: 6,453
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ppage wrote:

... the specs don't specify its colour gamut.

The Eizo brochure for all their FlexScan monitors mentions sRGB but does not assert that the monitors cover all or virtually all of it.
https://www.eizo.com/eizo/media/contentassets/2018/07/23/FlexScan_1807.pdf

Also, the EV3237 seems to have been replaced by the EV3285.

OP Katonda Forum Member • Posts: 64
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Hi all,

A quick update:

I just ordered the PD3200U. A breakdown of my thinking on the matter:

The first monitor stricken from the list was the HP Z32. Lackluster reviews and not the most competitive price, given it's so-so features. I did like the masculine rectangular design though.

The second to go was the Dell, though it was hard to drop. It's the best looking, newest, brightest with the most features, but also the most expensive. What finally made me decide against it was the flickering, as I am a bit sensitive to it.

Once it was down to the LG 32UD99-W and BenQ PD3200U things got hard. In the end I chose the BenQ because it basically does everything the LG does except for a few things:

  • USB-C
  • HDR-10
  • Sleeker Design

Firstly, the USB-C I didn't need. Secondly, the HDR-10 doesn't seem like it's fully mature and more of a 'reach the minimum threshold to be able to brand it as HDR-10). I think this tech will be much better and affordable in the years to come. So I was left with a difference of around €100 for a design update.

Since most of my peripherals are black anyways and the design of the BenQ is similar to my Asus VS24AH, it came down to personal taste in the end. The flickering issues of the PD3200u which initially held me back are rumored to have been dealt with in a firmware update.

I will post updates (pics & impression) once it arrives. Sadly, since I've only ever owned or used a FHD monitor, I won't be able to qualify or compare my impressions to anything similar. But hey, one more unprofessional anecdotal review of a monitor!

ppage
ppage Senior Member • Posts: 2,107
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Please do post a review of it once you feel you're in a position to do so.  As I said in an earlier post I've decided to put my purchase off until the fall, but I've narrowed my choices to this BenQ monitor or the Asus PA329Q (unless the BenQ PD322OU is available in Canada by then).

Hope you enjoy your new monitor.
Peter

chavlji New Member • Posts: 3
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I just bought Dell U3219Q it and my main concern was flickering reported on Rtings review. I'm however very happy to announce that it IS 100% flicker-free (as advertised by Dell).

I did a simple test:

Prepare black screen with 1px wide vertical line in the middle. Set camera (RX100 v1) to manual mode (iso 200, F2.5, manual focus) with exposure 1/25. Quickly drag camera horizontally and shoot while dragging.

Flickering is clearly present on my cheap Samsung 2253LW: https://ibb.co/2PkzLFX

On U3219Q gray rectangle is perfectly even so light has the same intensity throughout the shot (brightness at 30%): https://ibb.co/J3bYQmn

If it had 200 HZ pwm at 1/25 of a second there should be exactly 8 brighter and darker vertical areas evenly distributed over gray rectangle.

Otherwise it's top notch monitor! Picture is great, and connectivity is awesome (I have 3 computers connected). The only thing I notice is harsh color bleeding, but I'm not using it in the dark room. Perfect monitor for a coder like my self!

UnfetteredWandering
UnfetteredWandering New Member • Posts: 9
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Katonda wrote:

Hi all,

A quick update:

I just ordered the PD3200U. A breakdown of my thinking on the matter:

[snip]

I will post updates (pics & impression) once it arrives. Sadly, since I've only ever owned or used a FHD monitor, I won't be able to qualify or compare my impressions to anything similar. But hey, one more unprofessional anecdotal review of a monitor!

Hello Katonda,

How is your PD3200U treating you? Are you happy with your decision or has there been some unforeseen issues?

I was considering roughly the same four monitors as you (with the exception being the LG 32BL95U instead of the LG you listed). I haven't found any detailed, professional reviews of the Z32 though there are many of the Z27. Both the PD3200U and the U3219Q offer a form of KVM switching, which puts them at the top of my list, but I'm concerned about warranty support.

All the best,
Vic

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I look at the customer reviews on B&H and other websites. When Benq first started producing relatively inexpensive 4K monitors there were a great many people who had them fail in short order. I disklike adding any more than is necessary to the amount of electronic waste and try to buy electronics equipment that is engineered to last and where the manufacturer provides ongoing support.

If I was buying a new display today it would be the HP Z32 31.5" 16:9 4K UHD IPS display that B&H is selling for $767. There may be better displays for gamers but for video editing this would be my choice.

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calson wrote:

I look at the customer reviews on B&H and other websites. When Benq first started producing relatively inexpensive 4K monitors there were a great many people who had them fail in short order. I dislike adding any more than is necessary to the amount of electronic waste and try to buy electronics equipment that is engineered to last and where the manufacturer provides ongoing support.

If I was buying a new display today it would be the HP Z32 31.5" 16:9 4K UHD IPS display that B&H is selling for $767. There may be better displays for gamers but for video editing this would be my choice.

Hi calson,

Thank you for the suggestion. Do you have any experience with the HP Z32?

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calson wrote:

... I dislike adding any more than is necessary to the amount of electronic waste and try to buy electronics equipment that is engineered to last ...

I agree with you about electronic waste. Phones and tablets are particularly bad because Google doesn't support Android for very long. Maybe Apple is better about iOS.

When it comes to a monitor, durability probably doesn't matter. By the time a moderately priced 4K monitor wears out, they will be making 8K monitors.

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CAcreeks wrote:

When it comes to a monitor, durability probably doesn't matter.

Probably not, since we have LED backlights. The only monitor age-related problem I've seen so far was color shift on old CCFLs.

By the time a moderately priced 4K monitor wears out, they will be making 8K monitors.

If you don't mind a big screen and are willing to spend the bucks, here you are:

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/1/3/18166498/lg-2019-tv-hdmi-2-1-8k-alexa-google-assistant-thinq/

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Austinian wrote:

CAcreeks wrote:

When it comes to a monitor, durability probably doesn't matter.

Probably not, since we have LED backlights. The only monitor age-related problem I've seen so far was color shift on old CCFLs.

By the time a moderately priced 4K monitor wears out, they will be making 8K monitors.

If you don't mind a big screen and are willing to spend the bucks, here you are:

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/1/3/18166498/lg-2019-tv-hdmi-2-1-8k-alexa-google-assistant-thinq/

Funny thing that your bring up CCFLs. The primary reason I'm looking to purchase a new monitor is because I've been having backlight issues with my Apple Cinema HD Display (30" circa 2006).

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Austinian wrote:

CAcreeks wrote:

When it comes to a monitor, durability probably doesn't matter.

Probably not, since we have LED backlights. The only monitor age-related problem I've seen so far was color shift on old CCFLs.

By the time a moderately priced 4K monitor wears out, they will be making 8K monitors.

If you don't mind a big screen and are willing to spend the bucks, here you are:

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/1/3/18166498/lg-2019-tv-hdmi-2-1-8k-alexa-google-assistant-thinq/

Funny thing that your bring up CCFLs. The primary reason I'm looking to purchase a new monitor is because I've been having backlight issues with my Apple Cinema HD Display (30" circa 2006).

That's pretty good longevity; our heavily-used 2009 laptop got retired last year because the backlight had turned visibly orangish. I'm not complaining; I have no idea how many thousands of hours of operation it had on it, but it was a lot.

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I thought I should post. I bought an HP Z-32 for my wife to use for her home office. She uses it for emails and Word documents, using MS Office, using two HP Elitebooks - a 15" and a 13". The 13" one is almost 3 years old. IMO the small one is better quality than my 2017 Macbook Pro 15.4", which has an extra GPU with 4GB RAM in it. But its too thin and its keyboard lacks feel, and also, its not coffee spill proof which IMO is unsuitable for any decent notebook.

I bought the Z-32 from HP support who offered a better price than their web site.

However the monitor has not been able to offer Picture in Picture or Picture by Picture.

When the monitor acknowledges its inputs as being Type-C graphics "active" and HDMI "active" - hence both of the two notebooks are connected to the monitor - in the PIP menu, one can change the setting to PBP (Picture by Picture) inside the PIP menu. When doing so, the Picture by Picture menu shows that the video enabled connections offer Displayport 1 or Displayport 2, and will ignore one of the two active graphic inputs. Hence the monitor is faulty. Picture By Picture never attempts. Picture in Picture results in a black rectangle on the screen, the rectangle has no content. Or the majority of the screen is black and the rectangle showing one of the notebooks display information works. Incidentally the PIP mode would be useless for a computer as the text information is too small to see. Fine for a video in the back ground etc. but IMO Picture by Picture is where the game is likely at for dual computer users.

I have spend 8 hours talking to HP over this issue, they have agreed to refund the money and take the monitor away. Hence I am looking for a monitor that works with two notebooks and also has easy to use controls.

I had started out wanting USB-C due to its ease of use and its notebook charging capability.

I now think that an easy menu system and a responsive hand shake with a connected notebook is more important than USB-C. It seems Dell are higher up the tree on good software than the other three monitors mentioned. In Australia an LG 32" either is a VA monitor or its more expensive, due I think to being full Thunderbolt 3 input capable.

I also had to buy for the HP monitor an Apple T3 cable suitable for "Alternative mode", which is when a Thunderbolt equipped PC connects from its USB type-C Thunderbolt outlet to a USB Type-C monitor input. The computer will switch modes and allow both displayport signal, a USB-2 data path, a 3840x2160 @60Hz video signal and accept a full charge from the monitor's USB type-C port, if the port is equipped from the monitor to provide enough power (typically 60 watts - the HP has 65, the Dell 90 watts).

The HP monitor does not rotate to vertical and portrait mode, which does show its restricted software IMO. Rotation is not suitable for VA monitors either, due to at 90 degrees angle they look bad. Or so I have read.

The HP looks well made and cooled IMO. Its screen looks good IMO. Its stand is excellent quality IMO. Its buttons are poorly situated IMO, and the software is deficient IMO. It does not appear to have any hardware checking setup either. The Dell does.

So for single computer usage, or single image usage-ie not both images from two active computers - the HP looks a good choice unless portrait mode is required.

The Dell appears to have better software, better button location and simpler software access IMO. It includes a suitable USB-C alternate mode cable (good ones are not cheap). I bought for my wife a good wireless keyboard and mouse which switches from computer to computer by dedicated buttons on the keyboard and the mouse. With the Dell that would not have been necessary as it has quick switching software for a single keyboard / mouse access.

Incidentally I have an Eizo 24" monitor that was costly. A ColorEdgeCG243W monitor, connected to a Mac Pro. That thing looks quite dark because it has to if one is imitating print. With that setup I can print a profile, have a screen scanner scan the printed profile on the monitor, calibrate the monitor, add the calibration profile to the software, and print and I get what looks exactly like what I saw on the Eizo. Remarkable. A shame it costs so much to print though!!! But the monitor is super good and beautifully made. No comparison to modern tech IMO. I am not sure about current Eizo quality. I wanted 24" for mac because their operating system was not good for me at 27" or a larger screen - the menus got to small. This is not an issue with Windoze. Its Windoze big advantage IMO. Strange Apple never fixed such a basic mistake with its more and more cumbersome OS IMO.

Let us know which monitor is best ... the issue with the Dell is its the most costly, by around 18% more than the HP in Australia. But maybe its worth it. It is beyond my comfort zone but then I know my wife will enjoy it because of its software and more thorough development for my wife's niche of two notebooks.

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Melbourne Park wrote:

I had started out wanting USB-C due to its ease of use and its notebook charging capability.

I shudder to think USB-C might become necessary in the future, because it is non-durable in my cellphone experience. Far fewer plug-unplug cycles than specified.

I now think that an easy menu system and a responsive hand shake with a connected notebook is more important than USB-C. It seems Dell are higher up the tree on good software than the other three monitors mentioned. In Australia an LG 32" either is a VA monitor or its more expensive, due I think to being full Thunderbolt 3 input capable.

Is the LG 32UD not available in Australia? Here in the US it costs less than the HP Z-32. You did not specify which Dell model you were looking at, but said it's even more expensive.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1374657-REG/lg_32ud89_w_32ud89w_31_5_4k_uhd.html

I have a similar 27" model and find the HDMI sync to laptop works well. Four choices on the |[]| key including mirroring and extension. It was the top-rated 4K monitor on rtings.com.

No rotation unless you buy another stand, such as VESA.

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No rotation unless you buy another stand, such as VESA.

LG has a number of models that are apparently identical except for different stands and prices. But none of them was as adjustable as this one:

https://www.amazon.com/VIVO-Monitor-Adjustable-Screens-STAND-V101C/dp/B071FX6H53

Tilts, swivels, rotates, height adjusts. I bought this and the least expensive version of the monitor I wanted.

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