Is DPR biased?

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Bill Ferris
Bill Ferris Veteran Member • Posts: 4,090
Re: Are you looking for confirmation bias ?

kiwidad wrote:

Symtex wrote:

Are you insecure about the gear you bought that you need confirmation bias ? People love different features and and a lot of these camera review are 100% subjective. They can tell you the facts but the interpretation of theses facts and how they impact the end user is entirely subjective.

Almost every camera released in the past few year are all very capable of doing amazing picture.

[snip]...DPR chose to throw in a note of inadequacy about the X-T3 in a topic in which it is totally irellavent.

As previously noted in multiple posts in this thread, the summary review to which you are referring is the same review linked to by all the DPR buying guides. For those interested, check out the review of the X-T3 in the Best Cameras Under $1500 buying guide. (The X-T3 is DPR's pick.) Or check out DPR's summary review of the X-T3 in the Best Cameras for Video guide. (The X-T3 is highly rated) Compare these with the X-T3 review in the Best Cameras for Sports and Action guide.

In short, DPR's comment about the X-T3's lack of IBIS is not offered as a commentary on it's ability as a sports camera. In fact, I would invite anyone to find any factual or evaluative comment in the DPR summary review that is made in direct reference to the camera's suitability for a specific photographic genre: sports, wildlife, portraiture, travel, street, landscape, event, macro.

Where other than the genre or segment-specific buying guides is any camera's features or functionality referenced as being suited - well or otherwise - to a specific genre of photography? In the Nikon D5 summary review (link ), the only direct reference to a photographic genre is a statement that the D5 would not be DPR's choice for high-contrast landscape photography.

Here's DPR's statement about the X-T3's lack of IBIS in context:

The X-T3 can capture excellent 10-bit 4K video in both UHD and DCI, at up to 60p. A touchscreen control mode separates stills and video exposure settings, making it easy to switch between shooting types. Effective movie autofocus makes the X-T3 reasonably easy to use in this mode, but a lack of in-body stabilization may hamper handheld shooting if your lens isn't stabilized.

The above paragraph specifically addresses the X-T3's performance shooting video. Not sports. Video.

The X-T3 is among DPR's recommended cameras for video with the lack of IBIS being the principal distinguishing feature between it and the top-pick Panasonic Lumix DC-GH5S/DC-GH5.

The most expensive camera won... not the camera with the most sports orientated features in my opinion.

Not to worry. In a year when every professional sports photographer working the Tokyo Olympics has sold their Nikon, Canon or Sony gear, and is shooting Fuji, you'll get the last laugh.

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OP kiwidad Regular Member • Posts: 390
Re: Is DPR biased?

BWJunkie wrote:

kiwidad wrote:

Reading the https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-cameras-for-sports-and-action/2

Noticed the X-T3 is criticized for no IBIS!

the phrase "The lack of image stabilization is the main factor you might want to consider in what is otherwise a great all-rounder."

Why isn't this an issue for the reviewer with the Nikon and Canons mentioned costing 3 to 4 times more money?

From the DPreview's FAQ's section:

https://www.dpreview.com/faq#q2

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Our writers are expected to uphold absolute ethical neutrality. We always strive to maintain the perspective of a potential purchaser.

I view the statement about the X-T3 lacking IBIS as a commentary or heads-up to the potential purchaser rather than a criticism.

Tim C.

I guess I am plying devils advocate here, so no warning is needed for D5 purchasers that is lack IBIS?

I would consider the preshot feature huge to  sports photography but its ignored.

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OP kiwidad Regular Member • Posts: 390
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LarsRost wrote:

I am actually surprised that Fujifilm gets that much attention considering its market share. Most of the reviews are very positive, almost OVERLY positive IMO.

Dont misuderstand me, I am not being critical of the attention fujifilm gets here I just thought the competition listed got a pass on a feature Fuji was criticized for whilst ignoring the most important relevant feature the fuji have those ahead of it lack.

Marketshare in meaningless or everything in the world would run on windows

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OP kiwidad Regular Member • Posts: 390
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kristian2000 wrote:

Yes, the bias is obvious, after al, they didn't give the X-T100 a Gold+++ rating!

They did give Gold to the X-E3, X-T3 & X-T30, but that is just an attempt to hide their bias.

I cannot speak to the X-T100 but I suspect the X-t30 may becomes the angel falling to Earth in the near future especially for those shooting video in the northern summer.

The x-t3 does also have some quirky behaviors I expect to be addressed in the future in firmware.

I switched from Nikon to Fuji a little more than year ago and finally sold off the last of my Nikon late earlier this year. I discovered with a little change in technique  (going back to pre AF days) I could make the X-e2 work just as well for sports as my D700

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OP kiwidad Regular Member • Posts: 390
Re: Bear in mind that in most cases...

Bill Ferris wrote:

kiwidad wrote:

Ben Herrmann wrote:

...any review, of any particular camera, will involve subjective comments and preferences thrown into the mix. Often-times, this is done without forethought because the reviewer(s) is(are) imprinting their desires. In only a few select cases (that I've seen) has a particular reviewer nailed something right on without perceivable bias.

No difference here either - as that IBIS comments really represents which corner a person is in - those who embrace IBIS for everything, or those to who it doesn't matter. Nobody is right here - but yes, when you read that particular comment in a review, IMO, is really not the right thing to focus on.

But I doubt it would stop anyone (except those IBIS die-hards - of which I am one), from getting one. But even folks like myself don't mind purchasing Fuji camera bodies because of our love for that brand name.

I think my point is being missed. DPR put out on may 16 2019 their 2019 recommendation documenter sports shooters, and of the non IBIS cameras they only singled the X-t3 out for criticism for no IBIS. this is not old reviews going back to before they thought IBIS was a deal!

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62683827

Actually, you've missed the point. As addressed in my earlier response, DPR's summary reviews are not genre-specific. The X-T3 summary linked to in the "Best Cameras for Sports and Action" buying guide is the same summary linked to in all the other DPR guides. The no-IBIS ding is brought up in the context of the X-T3's suitability as a video camera. IBIS is an absolutely relevant criteria in that segment.

While the X-T3 is not DPR's choice for best digital camera for video, it is their "Also Consider" selection. That's basically a runner-up position. How does such a high rating demonstrate bias against the X-T3 or Fuji products?

It seems I did miss that point. Is the summary the same for all the reports? Gonna have to run and look now

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OP kiwidad Regular Member • Posts: 390
Re: Is DPR biased?

kiwidad wrote:

Reading the https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/buying-guide-best-cameras-for-sports-and-action/2

Noticed the X-T3 is criticized for no IBIS!

the phrase "The lack of image stabilization is the main factor you might want to consider in what is otherwise a great all-rounder."

Why isn't this an issue for the reviewer with the Nikon and Canons mentioned costing 3 to 4 times more money?

Ok I am gonna stand down a wee bit here.

It was pointed out the same summary review is used for multiple categories of buying guides so it makes sense something generic in other categories could and did appear in the mini reviews.

Given the magnitude of material DPR produce it stands to reason this would be common to multiple categories and not something I noticed.

If an apology is due I offer one.

I still like the fact the X-T3 has a feature nikon don't offer

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jhorse Veteran Member • Posts: 3,247
Re: Are you looking for confirmation bias ?

Jerry-astro wrote:

Often, issues like the ones you're referring to are pretty obvious after you've used the camera for a few days.

And with just a little research (if hiring is impractical) with so many resources, reviews and gene specialists on the net. An excellent piece of advice in your reply.

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fpessolano
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Pre-shot is really exciting ... on paper. In reality it is rather cumbersome to use because the buffer cannot sustain much of it and it slows down the camera to a crawl after a burst or when the buffer is full. in practice and at least for me, I loose shots with it and I stopped using it.

sport mode is also not that useful.

everybody focuses in ibis, but my issue with the xt3 and sport is that I often need to go up to 4000iso for fast action and the sensor is just too noisy after 1600. The D5 is way better and worth every cent.

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b0k3h Contributing Member • Posts: 509
"anyone who doesnt like what i like is wrong/biased"
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motto for the internet

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Re: "anyone who doesnt like what i like is wrong/biased"

b0k3h wrote:

motto for the internet

I agree an internet problem. It is not like politics or religion have ever suffered from this thought process now or in more enlightened times.

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