Nikon Z advisory

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briantilley
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Re: Nikon Z advisory
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T O Shooter wrote:

inasir1971 wrote:

bocajrs wrote:

Well....for 1 I'm glad I didn't jump ship to the Z...new firmware meets new Nikon service advisory At least they aren't brushing it under the rug and is being addressed.

https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nikonusa.com%2Fen%2Fservice-and-support%2Fservice-advisories%2Ftechnical-service-advisory-for-users-of-the-nikon-z-6-and-z-7-cameras.html%3Ac7EDhsC7rHKTA8vCj0zprFBIezI&cuid=1931125

Kudos to Nikon. VR was not working as well as it is supposed to.

Most manufacturers would have simply said ‘within spec’ or ‘we continually improve our products’ if they said anything at all.

You chose to turn a blind eye to this.

Nikon was taken to task by the Chinese government on the D600 and Nikon lost a class action lawsuit on the D600.

They can either fix their screw ups or expect one or the other of the above again.

So you'll have to excuse me if I don't seem overly excited about Nikon "doing the right thing."

And "doing the right thing" is building it right in the first place.

True.

Have you seen today's news item...?

https://www.dpreview.com/news/2184303346/sony-pushes-firmware-updates-for-eight-of-its-cameras-to-improve-overall-stability

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orlandophoto
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AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

You do realize the "advisory" does not effect every Z camera...right?   Reviewing the input on the Z forum on this topic, 95% of the owners of a Z camera are not affected (i am not).  Not sure why another Nikon owner would take glee in this?

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orlandophoto wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

You do realize the "advisory" does not effect every Z camera...right? Reviewing the input on the Z forum on this topic, 95% of the owners of a Z camera are not affected (i am not). Not sure why another Nikon owner would take glee in this?

It's a mystery to me. So immature.

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briantilley
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orlandophoto wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

You do realize the "advisory" does not effect every Z camera...right? Reviewing the input on the Z forum on this topic, 95% of the owners of a Z camera are not affected (i am not). Not sure why another Nikon owner would take glee in this?

Mostly, I think it's just people seeking validation of their decision not to "go mirrorless".  It's all a bit sad, really.

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shadowfax123 Regular Member • Posts: 415
Re: Nikon Z advisory
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orlandophoto wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

You do realize the "advisory" does not effect every Z camera...right? Reviewing the input on the Z forum on this topic, 95% of the owners of a Z camera are not affected (i am not). Not sure why another Nikon owner would take glee in this?

I’m not sure why either. Their relentless use of the word beta tester is sickening.  The facts, Nikon’s first gen Zs are β€” with a few misstepsβ€”is a solid camera.

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NCB Contributing Member • Posts: 878
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There's a thread on it on the Z forum. General feeling is that it's full marks to Nikon for acknowledging it and acting promptly.

It only seems to affect a small proportion of issued models and it's nothing to do with when you bought it; my Z6 arrived the day after it was officially released, and it's not affected. Seems that there was a substandard component in a small batch of IBIS modules; looks like the IBIS still works but it's not fully to spec. Judging from the thread those that have had their cameras recalled weren't aware of the problem.

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AZBlue
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orlandophoto wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

You do realize the "advisory" does not effect every Z camera...right? Reviewing the input on the Z forum on this topic, 95% of the owners of a Z camera are not affected (i am not). Not sure why another Nikon owner would take glee in this?

Right, the advisory affects the early shipments. I referenced early adopters, didn't I? I take no glee in this, I'm simply pointing out the benefit of buying into something solid and proven versus something new and experimental. My comment is not specific to Z, it could also apply to Sony as well. ML cameras are just too new and have many weak points that make sense to those who are willing to take risks in order to be on the cutting edge. I, on the other hand, prefer to buy into proven technology. I generate an income with my gear, so I opt for what is proven reliable.

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NCB Contributing Member • Posts: 878
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AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

Nope, it's what happens anytime in the world of electronics; occasionally you can get a batch of substandard components. So long as the manufacturer deals with it pronto what's the problem?

Zs rushed to market? Nope, a very sound product. Having been one of the very first in the UK to have been supplied with a Z6, I've now had 6 months productive enjoyment out of it. As have others; try finding people complaining.

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T O Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 9,585
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briantilley wrote:

orlandophoto wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

You do realize the "advisory" does not effect every Z camera...right? Reviewing the input on the Z forum on this topic, 95% of the owners of a Z camera are not affected (i am not). Not sure why another Nikon owner would take glee in this?

Mostly, I think it's just people seeking validation of their decision not to "go mirrorless". It's all a bit sad, really.

Why does someone have to "go mirrorless"?  Why could it not simply be to buy a mirrorless body?

If the Z6 had hit all of the right buttons, I'd have bought one.  It did not.  I have no interest in replacing my D4s or D850 with anything mirrorless at this point.  My D500 could have went though.

And when you're referring to requiring validation, make note that I do my own validation.

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T O Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 9,585
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NCB wrote:

There's a thread on it on the Z forum. General feeling is that it's full marks to Nikon for acknowledging it and acting promptly.

This is why Nikon acted promptly. NO other reason. Nikon changed after this and became proactive with the D750.

Nikon was taken to task by the Chinese government on the D600 and Nikon lost a class action lawsuit on the D600.

It only seems to affect a small proportion of issued models and it's nothing to do with when you bought it; my Z6 arrived the day after it was officially released, and it's not affected. Seems that there was a substandard component in a small batch of IBIS modules; looks like the IBIS still works but it's not fully to spec. Judging from the thread those that have had their cameras recalled weren't aware of the problem.

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AZBlue
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NCB wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

Nope, it's what happens anytime in the world of electronics; occasionally you can get a batch of substandard components. So long as the manufacturer deals with it pronto what's the problem?

Zs rushed to market? Nope, a very sound product. Having been one of the very first in the UK to have been supplied with a Z6, I've now had 6 months productive enjoyment out of it. As have others; try finding people complaining.

PLENTY of complaints about the product. In almost every online review. Shortcomings left and right. But that's okay, that's expected and par for the course with a first launch. Nikon will get better. But let's not pretend that it's some great, fantastic, flawless product. It isn't. Only to those who own it and are engaging in confirmation bias.

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briantilley
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T O Shooter wrote:

briantilley wrote:

orlandophoto wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

You do realize the "advisory" does not effect every Z camera...right? Reviewing the input on the Z forum on this topic, 95% of the owners of a Z camera are not affected (i am not). Not sure why another Nikon owner would take glee in this?

Mostly, I think it's just people seeking validation of their decision not to "go mirrorless". It's all a bit sad, really.

Why does someone have to "go mirrorless"? Why could it not simply be to buy a mirrorless body?

Let me put it a different way, then - it's mostly people wanting to demonstrate how prescient they were in not being an early adopter of the Z system.

If the Z6 had hit all of the right buttons, I'd have bought one. It did not. I have no interest in replacing my D4s or D850 with anything mirrorless at this point. My D500 could have went though.

And when you're referring to requiring validation, make note that I do my own validation.

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NCB Contributing Member • Posts: 878
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Doesn't disguise the fact that Nikon have done a good job on this.

And I suspect you've no grounds for claiming that it is ONLY the Chinese action which has prompted this. Could be simply that Nikon revamped its approach to customer support, along with the other revamps it has been engaged in over the last couple of years. If so, very wise of it.

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AZBlue wrote:

NCB wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

Nope, it's what happens anytime in the world of electronics; occasionally you can get a batch of substandard components. So long as the manufacturer deals with it pronto what's the problem?

Zs rushed to market? Nope, a very sound product. Having been one of the very first in the UK to have been supplied with a Z6, I've now had 6 months productive enjoyment out of it. As have others; try finding people complaining.

PLENTY of complaints about the product. In almost every online review. Shortcomings left and right. But that's okay, that's expected and par for the course with a first launch. Nikon will get better. But let's not pretend that it's some great, fantastic, flawless product. It isn't. Only to those who own it and are engaging in confirmation bias.

No products are flawless. But very few complaints about the product from PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT.  If you want to judge things just by online reviews that's up to you. Me, I went by the spec sheet plus a distillation of what matters to me from the better reviewers.

The Z6 (plus the 24-70 f4 lens) is a fine product, in my experience. Seems to me there's sour grapes from some of who didn't buy and now want to justify that. It's wholly valid and understandable for someone to say the D850 is more their sort of camera; it's a joke complaining that those who bought and like a Z camera are just engaged in confirmation bias.

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T O Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 9,585
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NCB wrote:

Doesn't disguise the fact that Nikon have done a good job on this.

And I suspect you've no grounds for claiming that it is ONLY the Chinese action which has prompted this.

And the class action lawsuit Nikon lost.

A bit of incentive in this I'd say.

https://www.slrlounge.com/settlement-reached-nikon-d600-class-action-lawsuit-offers-new-d610/

Could be simply that Nikon revamped its approach to customer support, along with the other revamps it has been engaged in over the last couple of years. If so, very wise of it.

In a naive world only that happens.

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T O Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 9,585
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NCB wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

NCB wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

Nope, it's what happens anytime in the world of electronics; occasionally you can get a batch of substandard components. So long as the manufacturer deals with it pronto what's the problem?

Zs rushed to market? Nope, a very sound product. Having been one of the very first in the UK to have been supplied with a Z6, I've now had 6 months productive enjoyment out of it. As have others; try finding people complaining.

PLENTY of complaints about the product. In almost every online review. Shortcomings left and right. But that's okay, that's expected and par for the course with a first launch. Nikon will get better. But let's not pretend that it's some great, fantastic, flawless product. It isn't. Only to those who own it and are engaging in confirmation bias.

No products are flawless. But very few complaints about the product from PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT. If you want to judge things just by online reviews that's up to you. Me, I went by the spec sheet plus a distillation of what matters to me from the better reviewers.

The Z6 (plus the 24-70 f4 lens) is a fine product, in my experience. Seems to me there's sour grapes from some of who didn't buy and now want to justify that.

That makes zero sense. How do you justify NOT buying???? There was no "I missed the boat" on buying a Z6 or Z7. I can walk into a camera store any day of the week and buy one.

Not only that but I can now buy a Z7 for $1100.95 less then I could a couple of weeks ago. And a 13% tax saving on the $1100.95 beside that. And now they've sweetened the deal.  They'll throw in a $349.95 FTZ adapter. + another 13% tax saving. That's a $1640.00 saving, which if prices keep falling, I can own a Z7 and Z6 for what two weeks ago would only buy me a Z7.

I can't recall seeing a D850 price drop when it was a year old that would have bought me a D750.

http://www.cameracanada.com/products/productdetail.aspx?pid=34300

It's wholly valid and understandable for someone to say the D850 is more their sort of camera; it's a joke complaining that those who bought and like a Z camera are just engaged in confirmation bias.

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Leonard Shepherd
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briantilley wrote:

Mostly, I think it's just people seeking validation of their decision not to "go mirrorless". It's all a bit sad, really.

A quote from Nikon Owner Edition 64 from a Nikon SLR/DSLR owner after purchasing a Z7 "A very different way of taking photographs, not better not worse, but one that instils an alternative approach which has inspired my photography".

There is a lot of truth in this, especially "the very different way of taking photographs".

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The most annoyance from the Z twins is the rubber hand grip falling to bits and peeling off. Only with a few weeks of use and it’s been widely reported to happen. Nikon fans are blaming the user for not having short nails or monthly nail manicures. I’m glade I didn’t follow the herds over to Z either.

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T O Shooter wrote:

NCB wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

NCB wrote:

AZBlue wrote:

This is what happens when a product is rushed to market without adequate testing. Even the software is incomplete. Don't get mad if you own this, you knew what you were getting into as an early adopter.

In the meantime, I'm loving my flawless D850... πŸ˜‚

Nope, it's what happens anytime in the world of electronics; occasionally you can get a batch of substandard components. So long as the manufacturer deals with it pronto what's the problem?

Zs rushed to market? Nope, a very sound product. Having been one of the very first in the UK to have been supplied with a Z6, I've now had 6 months productive enjoyment out of it. As have others; try finding people complaining.

PLENTY of complaints about the product. In almost every online review. Shortcomings left and right. But that's okay, that's expected and par for the course with a first launch. Nikon will get better. But let's not pretend that it's some great, fantastic, flawless product. It isn't. Only to those who own it and are engaging in confirmation bias.

No products are flawless. But very few complaints about the product from PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BOUGHT IT. If you want to judge things just by online reviews that's up to you. Me, I went by the spec sheet plus a distillation of what matters to me from the better reviewers.

The Z6 (plus the 24-70 f4 lens) is a fine product, in my experience. Seems to me there's sour grapes from some of who didn't buy and now want to justify that.

That makes zero sense. How do you justify NOT buying???? There was no "I missed the boat" on buying a Z6 or Z7. I can walk into a camera store any day of the week and buy one.

Not only that but I can now buy a Z7 for $1100.95 less then I could a couple of weeks ago. And a 13% tax saving on the $1100.95 beside that. And now they've sweetened the deal. They'll throw in a $349.95 FTZ adapter. + another 13% tax saving. That's a $1640.00 saving, which if prices keep falling, I can own a Z7 and Z6 for what two weeks ago would only buy me a Z7.

Thereby proving my point - people wanting to show how smart they were not to buy a Z camera on day one

I can't recall seeing a D850 price drop when it was a year old that would have bought me a D750.

http://www.cameracanada.com/products/productdetail.aspx?pid=34300

It's wholly valid and understandable for someone to say the D850 is more their sort of camera; it's a joke complaining that those who bought and like a Z camera are just engaged in confirmation bias.

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G Master wrote:

The most annoyance from the Z twins is the rubber hand grip falling to bits and peeling off. Only with a few weeks of use and it’s been widely reported to happen.

"Widely reported" and actual numbers may be different.

While I have never had a problem of this type (or a loose "rubber" lens cover) in 50 years of using SLR's and DSLR's some report these problems with Nikon DSLR's and Nikon Lenses.

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