A-Mount

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lhkjacky Senior Member • Posts: 2,868
Re: I'll reply to myself! :)

cgarrard wrote:

lhkjacky wrote:

cgarrard wrote:

P.S. I was hoping for more replies like that. Anyways, thanks guys!

I guess you didn't come to A-mount forum recently.

There are so many treads talk about A-mount future (A-mount death) (A-mount being abandon), etc... You can see infinity number of similar treads in this forum. Even worst, normal posts are often high-jacked by A-mount doomer and end up to be a A-mount death posts.

That is the reasons why most of us don't want to repeatedly discuss similar topic.
It is just too many and no one really know what A-mount future will be, except Sony.

Yeah I see that now

If you read the post below, you will understand how many post related to A-mount future. 

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4347201

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Re: I'll reply to myself! :)

lhkjacky wrote:

cgarrard wrote:

lhkjacky wrote:

cgarrard wrote:

P.S. I was hoping for more replies like that. Anyways, thanks guys!

I guess you didn't come to A-mount forum recently.

There are so many treads talk about A-mount future (A-mount death) (A-mount being abandon), etc... You can see infinity number of similar treads in this forum. Even worst, normal posts are often high-jacked by A-mount doomer and end up to be a A-mount death posts.

That is the reasons why most of us don't want to repeatedly discuss similar topic.
It is just too many and no one really know what A-mount future will be, except Sony.

Yeah I see that now

If you read the post below, you will understand how many post related to A-mount future.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4347201

Yep that summarizes it. Same thing happens with the Pentax group too.

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Marty4650
Marty4650 Forum Pro • Posts: 15,344
RIP A-Mount. You will be missed.
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The A-Mount was excellent, and there were plenty of very nice lenses made for it, with a pretty wide selection at just about every price and quality point. The mount was probably the primary reason Sony bought Konica-Minolta's camera business. It was a quick and easy way to get them into the SLR business by providing them with a really nice system on day one back in 2006.

I own several A-mount lenses that I used with my Minolta film cameras and my only SLT (a Sony A55 that I loved dearly, but stopped using when I had migrated fully to M4/3.) I still use some of them with adapters, but I probably won't be buying any new A-Mount cameras or lenses.

cgarrard wrote:

... well?

I'd be sad to see it go quietly. I hope it doesn't.

The Sony/Minolta A-Mount will fade slowly fade away. And this is simply because it was an SLR mount while SLRs are slowly disappearing, and the A-Mount lens catalog is pretty much complete. The same forces will apply to Canon EF, Canon EF-S, Nikon FX, Nikon DX, Pentax K, and Sigma SA mounts too.

And while Canon EF-S and Nikon DX certainly are not complete, these companies would rather encourage you to buy EF and FX lenses rather than developing more APSC lenses.

What are your thoughts on the management of the A-Mount since SLT?

I really don't see how Sony could have done anything differently.

Sony had a very hard time competing in the SLR market, and is currently kicking butt in the MILC market. It really makes no business sense for them to go back to competing in a declining niche where they had a huge disadvantage.

What should Sony do with the A-Mount?

Nothing. That ship has sailed. It was great while it lasted but it just makes more sense for them to devote resources to MILC products and large sensored compact cameras. It might be different if there was huge demand for A-Mount SLRs, but there just isn't.

Sony is not averse to niche marketing, but those niches need to be fairly large and fairly profitable and segments that have some competitive advantage for them. The A-Mount doesn't fall into any of those categories.

What do you think will happen with the A-Mount?

I think Sony will sell off their existing inventories and will not devote a lot of future resources to A-Mount products. They will continue service and support for as long as there is demand for it. They might even create a new lens or two if there is sufficient demand for it, but sadly the overall future looks bleak for the A-Mount system.

-Carl

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Re: RIP A-Mount. You will be missed.

Thank you for your thoughts Marty

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Michael Fritzen Veteran Member • Posts: 5,827
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cgarrard wrote:

What are your thoughts on the management of the A-Mount since SLT?

Being a bit cynical, was there any management of A-Mount (since A99II came out)? In the retrospective it's interesting to analyse Sony's decision to go SLT first but not very long time after, they directed all the major spot lights on mirrorless.  What was that SLT-interval? No chances in conventional DSLR but too early for mirrorless? That rush from one proposition to another, that not only meant a new mount, but also a rush from great ergonomics to tiny-toy-looking first iterations of NEX and A7 let for me the impression of electronic gadget departments ruling over the image taking (photo) department. Confusing at least.

What should Sony do with the A-Mount?

If it was for me: remove totally the video from A-Mount and concentrate on that mount as stills specialist - and make intelligent use of the resources (buttons, heat dissipation demands)

What do you think will happen with the A-Mount?

Well, I have serious doubts if there will be some new A-mount body. Olympic games ahead in Japan I suspect Sony concentrating even more on mirrorless - and especially on top performing lenses and bodies - not at reach for many though. This in detriment of A-Mount - well sort of because latest E-Mount iterations got performing better and better with A-Mount lenses which means that for a significant amount of A-mount-shooters with some heavy investment in A-mount lenses there's at least an option to keep using their lenses. And the performance gap is getting narrower, even taking into account flagship A99II. Yes, the ergonomics of small sized FF E-Mount bodies is still their Achilles heal from my POV.

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Lensmate Veteran Member • Posts: 3,598
Re: Have we reached #1000 in end of A Mount threads yet? :-)
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cgarrard wrote:

tbcass wrote:

There have been so many discussions on this that another thread is not needed. Personally I don't really care because the A99ii and the lenses I own are all I need. Couple that with fact my primary camera is an RX10iv and I'm 73 years old the A99ii is the last A Mount camera I will ever buy even if Sony comes out with a new one.

Had no idea. There was plenty of activity with the A-Mount until about 2 years or so ago.

Thanks Tom!

How coy of you...you seem to know this even though you admit to not viewing the A-mount forums? Looking at your past visits to the other forums you skip around to, I'd say you are trying to flame the fire here. Searching on this topic is not that difficult unless you have the mind of a mollusk.

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minoltak
minoltak Regular Member • Posts: 230
Re: RIP A-Mount. You will be missed.
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Marty4650 wrote:

The A-Mount was excellent, and there were plenty of very nice lenses made for it, with a pretty wide selection at just about every price and quality point. The mount was probably the primary reason Sony bought Konica-Minolta's camera business. It was a quick and easy way to get them into the SLR business by providing them with a really nice system on day one back in 2006.

I own several A-mount lenses that I used with my Minolta film cameras and my only SLT (a Sony A55 that I loved dearly, but stopped using when I had migrated fully to M4/3.) I still use some of them with adapters, but I probably won't be buying any new A-Mount cameras or lenses.

cgarrard wrote:

... well?

I'd be sad to see it go quietly. I hope it doesn't.

The Sony/Minolta A-Mount will fade slowly fade away. And this is simply because it was an SLR mount while SLRs are slowly disappearing, and the A-Mount lens catalog is pretty much complete. The same forces will apply to Canon EF, Canon EF-S, Nikon FX, Nikon DX, Pentax K, and Sigma SA mounts too.

And while Canon EF-S and Nikon DX certainly are not complete, these companies would rather encourage you to buy EF and FX lenses rather than developing more APSC lenses.

What are your thoughts on the management of the A-Mount since SLT?

I really don't see how Sony could have done anything differently.

Sony had a very hard time competing in the SLR market, and is currently kicking butt in the MILC market. It really makes no business sense for them to go back to competing in a declining niche where they had a huge disadvantage.

What should Sony do with the A-Mount?

Nothing. That ship has sailed. It was great while it lasted but it just makes more sense for them to devote resources to MILC products and large sensored compact cameras. It might be different if there was huge demand for A-Mount SLRs, but there just isn't.

Sony is not averse to niche marketing, but those niches need to be fairly large and fairly profitable and segments that have some competitive advantage for them. The A-Mount doesn't fall into any of those categories.

What do you think will happen with the A-Mount?

I think Sony will sell off their existing inventories and will not devote a lot of future resources to A-Mount products. They will continue service and support for as long as there is demand for it. They might even create a new lens or two if there is sufficient demand for it, but sadly the overall future looks bleak for the A-Mount system.

-Carl

Finally an evaluation that makes sense.

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Re: RIP A-Mount. You will be missed.
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minoltak wrote:

Finally an evaluation that makes sense.

You forgot the prefix 'NON'

He's another side kick flamer....

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Lensmate
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woodturner wrote:

Thank you for starting a thread on a topic that hasn't been discussed at all in the past.

Please note your link to your blog doesn't work, the identity is for sale. I did think of purchasing it........ could be fun.

I did look at your site, but will not be donating to support you via the Paypal link that is on the top of your page.

Having reviewed your site, the cynical side of my nature suggests that you are merely trawling for free material and comments to base another article on.

The motivation for starting this thread is therefore to get up to date info in one place to base another article on. Therefore to appear really informed and garner more Paypal support.

Somewhat lazy not to use the search function.

That's just my jaded, cynical view. Very possibly wrong. What do I know, I don't try to make money on the internet out of other peoples ideas.

Should I even suggest that no one responds to your post?

Personally I will not be adding to your stock of info, other than to tell you my A mount gear works fine, it is a sunny day, I may sit in the garden and see if I can get some good BIF of the birds in our nest box.

Bingo! Two thumbs up!!!!

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Re: Have we reached #1000 in end of A Mount threads yet? :-)

Lensmate wrote:

cgarrard wrote:

tbcass wrote:

There have been so many discussions on this that another thread is not needed. Personally I don't really care because the A99ii and the lenses I own are all I need. Couple that with fact my primary camera is an RX10iv and I'm 73 years old the A99ii is the last A Mount camera I will ever buy even if Sony comes out with a new one.

Had no idea. There was plenty of activity with the A-Mount until about 2 years or so ago.

Thanks Tom!

How coy of you...you seem to know this even though you admit to not viewing the A-mount forums? Looking at your past visits to the other forums you skip around to, I'd say you are trying to flame the fire here. Searching on this topic is not that difficult unless you have the mind of a mollusk.

-Martin P

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I pay attention to camera announcements, that doesn't mean I pay attention to this forum Martin.

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cgarrard
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Re: A-Mount

Lensmate wrote:

woodturner wrote:

Thank you for starting a thread on a topic that hasn't been discussed at all in the past.

Please note your link to your blog doesn't work, the identity is for sale. I did think of purchasing it........ could be fun.

I did look at your site, but will not be donating to support you via the Paypal link that is on the top of your page.

Having reviewed your site, the cynical side of my nature suggests that you are merely trawling for free material and comments to base another article on.

The motivation for starting this thread is therefore to get up to date info in one place to base another article on. Therefore to appear really informed and garner more Paypal support.

Somewhat lazy not to use the search function.

That's just my jaded, cynical view. Very possibly wrong. What do I know, I don't try to make money on the internet out of other peoples ideas.

Should I even suggest that no one responds to your post?

Personally I will not be adding to your stock of info, other than to tell you my A mount gear works fine, it is a sunny day, I may sit in the garden and see if I can get some good BIF of the birds in our nest box.

Bingo! Two thumbs up!!!!

-Martin P

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https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62667788

Perhaps that link is more accurate.

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ttran88
ttran88 Senior Member • Posts: 2,775
Too many lens mount
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when Nikon and canon came out with their new lens mount I thought it was just plain ridiculous. Being a consumer with all these propriety lens Mount is frustrating and puts us in these limbos that gave birth to this very thread. This is the reason why I will only support open mounts such as E, m43 and the L mount alliance. All the other are just tools to trap their users and creates uncertainty.

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Re: Have we reached #1000 in end of A Mount threads yet? :-)

cgarrard wrote:

Lensmate wrote:

cgarrard wrote:

tbcass wrote:

There have been so many discussions on this that another thread is not needed. Personally I don't really care because the A99ii and the lenses I own are all I need. Couple that with fact my primary camera is an RX10iv and I'm 73 years old the A99ii is the last A Mount camera I will ever buy even if Sony comes out with a new one.

Had no idea. There was plenty of activity with the A-Mount until about 2 years or so ago.

Thanks Tom!

How coy of you...you seem to know this even though you admit to not viewing the A-mount forums? Looking at your past visits to the other forums you skip around to, I'd say you are trying to flame the fire here. Searching on this topic is not that difficult unless you have the mind of a mollusk.

-Martin P

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I pay attention to camera announcements, that doesn't mean I pay attention to this forum Martin.

How do explain the reasoning of what you said above - to quote "There was plenty of activity with the A-mount about 2 years or so ago"...?

An observation that would require paying attention to the A-mount forum, nest pas?

-Martin P

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Re: Have we reached #1000 in end of A Mount threads yet? :-)

Lensmate wrote:

cgarrard wrote:

Lensmate wrote:

cgarrard wrote:

tbcass wrote:

There have been so many discussions on this that another thread is not needed. Personally I don't really care because the A99ii and the lenses I own are all I need. Couple that with fact my primary camera is an RX10iv and I'm 73 years old the A99ii is the last A Mount camera I will ever buy even if Sony comes out with a new one.

Had no idea. There was plenty of activity with the A-Mount until about 2 years or so ago.

Thanks Tom!

How coy of you...you seem to know this even though you admit to not viewing the A-mount forums? Looking at your past visits to the other forums you skip around to, I'd say you are trying to flame the fire here. Searching on this topic is not that difficult unless you have the mind of a mollusk.

-Martin P

https://www.flickr.com/photos/photosauraus_rex/

I pay attention to camera announcements, that doesn't mean I pay attention to this forum Martin.

How do explain the reasoning of what you said above - to quote "There was plenty of activity with the A-mount about 2 years or so ago"...?

An observation that would require paying attention to the A-mount forum, nest pas?

-Martin P

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Plenty of activity= Camera release

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kcdogger Senior Member • Posts: 2,276
Re: RIP A-Mount. You will be missed.
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Right on Marty.  I have An A77 and a couple of A57s - and a bunch of Minolta, third party, and Sony lenses.  I'll keep the cams as long as they continue to work, but not investing any more in A mount.  As someone said - That ship has sailed.

Peace.

John

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Bob Janes
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Re: A-Mount
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cgarrard wrote:

What are your thoughts on the management of the A-Mount since SLT?

Sony have given options every step of the way.

They gave a choice between SD and CF support, live view dSLR and no-live view dSLR, and SLR and SLT... every step of the way they have gone with what the market decided and have maintained a backwards compatibility. I have no complaints.

What should Sony do with the A-Mount?

Sony will keep on making A mount stuff while people buy it.

There is a technology 'opportunity' with A mount, to use sensor phase-detect AF and use the mirrorbox to provide a Z-shift AF camera (which they have patents for) that would be capable of autofocusing any lens or any register via dumb adapters... however, that would require moving a sensor plus IBIS (because people expect IBIS these days), which limits how snappy AF could be, plus there would be lots of moving parts. On the whole, people seem quite content with the new mirrorless mounts, which feature fewer moving parts and there are other solutions to the 'AF anything' goal (Techart M series AF adapter). I think at one time this was probably a strong possibility, it is probably still just about on the books, but the shrinking market does not work in Z-shift's favour.

What do you think will happen with the A-Mount?

Sony will keep on making A mount stuff while people are buying it.

Sony will keep on supporting A mount via the LA-EA adapters (would be nice to see an adapter without a vulnerable SLT mirror that could handle screw-drive) - Note that Sony are still providing support for Memory-Stick in the latest bodies, long after the memory card format was overtaken by faster options - keeping the LA-EAs on the books is far easier than working around a legacy slow card.

A mount analogue SLRs will continue to be great options for those who still use film, while the existing dSLR bodies will continue for a good while. If they do discontinue the current models, there are potential gems to pick up for a bargain price.

-Carl

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Re: Have we reached #1000 in end of A Mount threads yet? :-)
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Lensmate wrote:

How do explain the reasoning of what you said above - to quote "There was plenty of activity with the A-mount about 2 years or so ago"...?

An observation that would require paying attention to the A-mount forum, nest pas?

Not really and the reason is logical. Here's a possible scenario. He was last here 2 years ago when there was plenty of activity. He came here after a 2 year absence and noticed there was much less activity. 2 years ago the forum still was active due to the A99ii which was released 2 1/2 years ago. Since no new A Mount cameras have been introduced since the A99ii activity has dropped considerably. I know I don't post here much anymore even though I still use my A Mount gear. I have no reason to.

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Ed at Ridersite Forum Pro • Posts: 18,972
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Hey Carl.  Do a review of the Sony A-68.  Totally ignored by almost every ranking.  I know it's 3.5 years old, but it's still the best entry level camera on the market - AF micro-adjust, built in focus limiter for all lenses, A-77II sensor and AF module.  Plus, only $600!

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You're a lone A68 advocate in the camera wilderness.

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Okay :)

Ed at Ridersite wrote:

Hey Carl. Do a review of the Sony A-68. Totally ignored by almost every ranking. I know it's 3.5 years old, but it's still the best entry level camera on the market - AF micro-adjust, built in focus limiter for all lenses, A-77II sensor and AF module. Plus, only $600!

Hey Ed, good to see you man!

I emailed Sony for one before replying, maybe they'll send one like old times If not I'm sure I can have a go with one on my own.

I read a little about it in the last 24 hours I can see the enthusiasm behind it.

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