m43's is a system, not a camera

We need to see more M43 development in the low-to-mid-range of the line. Small, fun-to-use, affordable and yet highly capable cameras.

justmeMN wrote:

But what has Olympus done for you lately?

Last year, wasn't their only release the E-PL9?

So far this year, their only release is the E-M1X.

For me?  The EM1x ... absolutely loving it. Also picked up 45/1.2 which is basically living on the camera at this point.

Kevin Barrett wrote:

We need to see more M43 development in the low-to-mid-range of the line. Small, fun-to-use, affordable and yet highly capable cameras.

EM10.2 was probably last real mft camera Olympus has made.

The M1x is just ridiculous.

justmeMN wrote:

But what has Olympus done for you lately?

Last year, wasn't their only release the E-PL9?

So far this year, their only release is the E-M1X.

The E-M1X did it for me this year.  It is a great camera and I am loving mine.

The only interest I have in the E-M5.3 when it gets released is to see what directionOlympus is going.  Then again there might be something in the E-M5.3 that will make me buy it for my Pen F replacement.

DLBlack wrote:

justmeMN wrote:

But what has Olympus done for you lately?

Last year, wasn't their only release the E-PL9?

So far this year, their only release is the E-M1X.

The E-M1X did it for me this year. It is a great camera and I am loving mine.

The only interest I have in the E-M5.3 when it gets released is to see what directionOlympus is going. Then again there might be something in the E-M5.3 that will make me buy it for my Pen F replacement.

I'm thinking the E-M5 III might find a place in my stable as an upgrade of my trusty E-M10 II sidekick. Interested in 20mpx, 121 focus points, Sync IS and Fisheye comp. I'll be keeping my Pen F - beauty queen.

The sensor size limit will in the not so far future kill the system.

Lack of PDAF or its presence only in olympus flagship models is another reason.

People want more from a camera system than, at least its entry and mid range models, mft has to offer today.

The whole camera market isn''t doing great. There a simply too many models in the lineup. This is a cost and it's not helping global mft sales, IMO.

That said I love my system but just can't see a bright future along the road..

gary0319 wrote:

DLBlack wrote:

justmeMN wrote:

But what has Olympus done for you lately?

Last year, wasn't their only release the E-PL9?

So far this year, their only release is the E-M1X.

The E-M1X did it for me this year. It is a great camera and I am loving mine.

The only interest I have in the E-M5.3 when it gets released is to see what directionOlympus is going. Then again there might be something in the E-M5.3 that will make me buy it for my Pen F replacement.

I'm thinking the E-M5 III might find a place in my stable as an upgrade of my trusty E-M10 II sidekick. Interested in 20mpx, 121 focus points, Sync IS and Fisheye comp. I'll be keeping my Pen F - beauty queen.

Sounds like you want the E-M5.3 to be a modern E-M1.2 in a smaller body, which will also suit me.

One thing I would love in a E-M5.3 is the E-M1.2 battery and USB charging.  This will mean a slightly bigger body or at least a grip.

I am keeping my Pen F.  It is a classic and a beauty queen.

DLBlack wrote:

gary0319 wrote:

DLBlack wrote:

justmeMN wrote:

But what has Olympus done for you lately?

Last year, wasn't their only release the E-PL9?

So far this year, their only release is the E-M1X.

The E-M1X did it for me this year. It is a great camera and I am loving mine.

The only interest I have in the E-M5.3 when it gets released is to see what directionOlympus is going. Then again there might be something in the E-M5.3 that will make me buy it for my Pen F replacement.

I'm thinking the E-M5 III might find a place in my stable as an upgrade of my trusty E-M10 II sidekick. Interested in 20mpx, 121 focus points, Sync IS and Fisheye comp. I'll be keeping my Pen F - beauty queen.

Sounds like you want the E-M5.3 to be a modern E-M1.2 in a smaller body, which will also suit me.

One thing I would love in a E-M5.3 is the E-M1.2 battery and USB charging. This will mean a slightly bigger body or at least a grip.

I am keeping my Pen F. It is a classic and a beauty queen.

I'm not looking for the same spec as my E-M1 II, particularly when it comes to shooting speed, etc. I'm happy to have that be an E-M1 series feature. The 121 focus points are already standard in the version 8 firmware with the E-M10 III, Sync IS is already in the  E-M5 II and Pen F version 7 firmware....so that only leaves the Fisheye comp and 20mpx sensor from my list as new items. Some better C-AF would be a plus, but I don't care if its PDAF or some other tech that gets it.

Felice, SSRIs are your friend if it's worrying you (and others ... ) as much as it appears to be ...

JaKing wrote:

Felice, SSRIs are your friend if it's worrying you (and others ... ) as much as it appears to be ...

Not worrying me, at all. I won't sell my MFT bodies because of their 16MP sensor. But in the fairly short range (2-3 years) this will likely outweight any minor improvement hte industry will bring to system.

Unless MFT Oems can live on current customer base, which is fine with me.

iamphil wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

iamphil wrote:

When someone who is not already invested has a few hundred bucks to enter the market, don't be surprised when there are cameras like the Panasonic GX85 or Pentax K-70 available that nobody picks the E-PL9 from the pile.

I totally get it, people have a choice to buy what they like, most people don't agonise and worry themselves stupid over nothing like they do on here. They find a camera they like for one of a variety of reasons and they buy it, it's as simple as that. If you think that the ludicrous over-analysis of people on here is representative of the average buyer you're much mistaken. More often than not price and availability are the main reasons for buying cameras, not the difference between 16 and 20mp or whether a camera model has been available for two years, that's usually the preserve of obsessives in these parts.

You can stick your head in the sand but having the E-M10 ii and E-PL9 both sitting there in the same price range with features missing or present in one or other all while using 3 year old technology when competitors offer more is a reason why people turn away.

Olympus needs to update and rationalize their lineup and stop holding back punches or they will be one of the first ones out of the game.

Olympus has already stated their product strategy, going forward.  I paraphrase, "to produce high margin cameras targeted at specialized market segments" (from a recent financial report)

The E-M1 X seems to be the first to roll out along that strategic path. I assume that the upcoming E-M5 III will also be a High Margin item. Anyone expecting an Olympus two lens kit at their local Walmart is bound to be disappointed, IMO.

Will the strategy work for Olympus? Time will tell. But, the direction seems pretty much set in stone, regardless of any whining on this forum.

iamphil wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

iamphil wrote:

When someone who is not already invested has a few hundred bucks to enter the market, don't be surprised when there are cameras like the Panasonic GX85 or Pentax K-70 available that nobody picks the E-PL9 from the pile.

I totally get it, people have a choice to buy what they like, most people don't agonise and worry themselves stupid over nothing like they do on here. They find a camera they like for one of a variety of reasons and they buy it, it's as simple as that. If you think that the ludicrous over-analysis of people on here is representative of the average buyer you're much mistaken. More often than not price and availability are the main reasons for buying cameras, not the difference between 16 and 20mp or whether a camera model has been available for two years, that's usually the preserve of obsessives in these parts.

You can stick your head in the sand but having the E-M10 ii and E-PL9 both sitting there in the same price range with features missing or present in one or other all while using 3 year old technology when competitors offer more is a reason why people turn away.

Olympus needs to update and rationalize their lineup and stop holding back punches or they will be one of the first ones out of the game.

Huh?  First off, the EM10 iii is less than 2 years on the market.

Secondly, the OM-D line is characterized by a long/short cycle of new announcements.  Here's a chart of announcement dates for all OM-D's

With the EM1-x now out, and assuming Olympus sustains this pattern, we should expect to see an E-M5.3 out some time in the coming months.

Jeff wrote:

iamphil wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

iamphil wrote:

When someone who is not already invested has a few hundred bucks to enter the market, don't be surprised when there are cameras like the Panasonic GX85 or Pentax K-70 available that nobody picks the E-PL9 from the pile.

I totally get it, people have a choice to buy what they like, most people don't agonise and worry themselves stupid over nothing like they do on here. They find a camera they like for one of a variety of reasons and they buy it, it's as simple as that. If you think that the ludicrous over-analysis of people on here is representative of the average buyer you're much mistaken. More often than not price and availability are the main reasons for buying cameras, not the difference between 16 and 20mp or whether a camera model has been available for two years, that's usually the preserve of obsessives in these parts.

You can stick your head in the sand but having the E-M10 ii and E-PL9 both sitting there in the same price range with features missing or present in one or other all while using 3 year old technology when competitors offer more is a reason why people turn away.

Olympus needs to update and rationalize their lineup and stop holding back punches or they will be one of the first ones out of the game.

Huh? First off, the EM10 iii is less than 2 years on the market.

Secondly, the OM-D line is characterized by a long/short cycle of new announcements. Here's a chart of announcement dates for all OM-D's

With the EM1-x now out, and assuming Olympus sustains this pattern, we should expect to see an E-M5.3 out some time in the coming months.

If it will have an old sensor, still no PDAF, worse IBIS than E-M1 II, it won't be a big hit.

DeathArrow wrote:

Jeff wrote:

iamphil wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

iamphil wrote:

When someone who is not already invested has a few hundred bucks to enter the market, don't be surprised when there are cameras like the Panasonic GX85 or Pentax K-70 available that nobody picks the E-PL9 from the pile.

I totally get it, people have a choice to buy what they like, most people don't agonise and worry themselves stupid over nothing like they do on here. They find a camera they like for one of a variety of reasons and they buy it, it's as simple as that. If you think that the ludicrous over-analysis of people on here is representative of the average buyer you're much mistaken. More often than not price and availability are the main reasons for buying cameras, not the difference between 16 and 20mp or whether a camera model has been available for two years, that's usually the preserve of obsessives in these parts.

You can stick your head in the sand but having the E-M10 ii and E-PL9 both sitting there in the same price range with features missing or present in one or other all while using 3 year old technology when competitors offer more is a reason why people turn away.

Olympus needs to update and rationalize their lineup and stop holding back punches or they will be one of the first ones out of the game.

Huh? First off, the EM10 iii is less than 2 years on the market.

Secondly, the OM-D line is characterized by a long/short cycle of new announcements. Here's a chart of announcement dates for all OM-D's

With the EM1-x now out, and assuming Olympus sustains this pattern, we should expect to see an E-M5.3 out some time in the coming months.

If it will have an old sensor, still no PDAF, worse IBIS than E-M1 II, it won't be a big hit.