m43's is a system, not a camera

Jeff wrote:

Guess I didn't have enough to do today. So I made a list of the 23 different m43 system cameras that have been announced by Olympus since 2009.

Perhaps it would be fitting to the spirit of the initial post of this thread if you had done the same chart for the whole "MFT system". Olympus is not the system you were talking about.

But then we are not Nikon nor Olympus " I am me  Sanjay not for sale " nothing else. I am not a product. - Sanjay

Jeff wrote:

AshleyMC wrote:

Jeff wrote:

Guess I didn't have enough to do today. So I made a list of the 23 different m43 system cameras that have been announced by Olympus since 2009.

Perhaps it would be fitting to the spirit of the initial post of this thread if you had done the same chart for the whole "MFT system". Olympus is not the system you were talking about.

Here you go ... this includes Panasonic, Olympus, Kodak, Xiaomi, Z Camera, Blackmagic, JVC, and DJI. The long-term trend is 6.6 new cameras announced each year.

2019 does not include Sharp, or any second camera from Olympus. So we'll see if we get back to the trend line.

Interesting... I reckon we will see an EM5.3 and a new Pen this year still... maybe even an EM1.3.

Auf Reisen wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

Mark Thornton wrote:

The OMD-M5 (2) is not much bigger than the M10 and is weather sealed. I think it counts as compact.

Not really, but if you think it is then Olympus have already done it then.

Twice, actually. And people are desperately waiting for a third iteration. Weird, that. After all, they've already done it with the EM-5 Mk. I.

This does make me laugh, for me, you "desperately" hope for a cure for cancer, not another version of a camera that already exists, some people really need to get a grip on their perspective.

iamphil wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

iamphil wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

iamphil wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

You missed the G9, other than that I agree completely. The hysteria around the E-M1X is quite bizarre, it's just another choice for those that want this kind of camera. If I was shooting wildlife professionally it would definitely be a great option. Neither Olympus nor Panasonic are going anywhere, these companies are producing cutting edge cameras, just enjoy the fact they exist and we have these choices. If you don't like M4/3's or they're not producing what you want then buy something else, but don't imagine any other manufacturer is perfect either, because they're definitely not in my experience.

That is all fine and dandy until Olympus decides to ration the newest technology or firmware tricks to the one model to rule them all while recycling obsolete 3 year old technology to every other model below it.

Well when that happens let me know.

You'd already know if you've been awake the last few years. Enjoy your 16 megapixel sensors.

You people are hilarious, do yourself a favour, go and ask Fuji users about their IBIS, or Canon users about their APS-C prime collection etc etc.

Fuji, Pentax, and Sony have been aggressively pushing features down the stack while Olympus pretends they are Canon and Nikon and act like they can sit back and recycle the same things or even remove features. Look at what it got the lumbering giants who have market benefits Olympus can only dream of having. A competitor established a beachhead and became a real threat while Olympus has no idea how to stop the bleeding. They're not even treading water like Pentax.

You really need to get a grip on reality. I left m4/3's several years ago, and coming back I've been blown away by how good these cameras are now. Go and buy Pentax APS-C, their auto-focusing is still all over the place, and the lens choices are old to say the least. Fuji is still trotting out x-trans cameras, which may be good for some things but sucks for landscapes as far as I'm concerned, smeary far distance detail, and no IBIS except their top camera which is more geared towards video anyway.

I tried a couple of Sony A7's, which have a horrible menu system and ergonomics. Unless you want to drop several grand on their latest and mount big expensive lenses to get the best out of them. Here I am now, with my G9, which is streets ahead of any of them to use, and produces excellent razor sharp images with the humble 12-60mm F3.5-5.6 kit lens, which is weather-sealed to boot. I could happily shoot with any of the mid range m4/3s cameras with 16mp and still be happy. You should watch this video in which an E-M1 is shot next to a Canon 5d mk4 and printed to 1 metre and then tell me how bad things are. The Olympus shots are also cropped to 3:2 aspect ratio so probably nearer 18mp. You can pick up an E-M1 mk1 now for peanuts, even my G9 was an absolute bargain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGn3yPl59ZM

If you think the grass is greener elsewhere go and try it, but you're going to be disappointed at some stage, I guarantee it.

absquatulate wrote:

Auf Reisen wrote:

absquatulate wrote:

Mark Thornton wrote:

The OMD-M5 (2) is not much bigger than the M10 and is weather sealed. I think it counts as compact.

Not really, but if you think it is then Olympus have already done it then.

Twice, actually. And people are desperately waiting for a third iteration. Weird, that. After all, they've already done it with the EM-5 Mk. I.

This does make me laugh, for me, you "desperately" hope for a cure for cancer, not another version of a camera that already exists, some people really need to get a grip on their perspective.

Not a native speaker, mate. But I take your point.

Jeff wrote:

The purpose of this post is simply to remind folks that m43's is a *system*, not a single camera body. As a reminder, here are models currently available on manufacturers' web sites ...

• Olympus E-PL9
• Olympus E-M10.3
• Olympus E-M5.2
• Olympus E-M1.2
• Olympus E-M1.x
• Panasonic GH5
• Panasonic GH4
• Panasonic GX850
• Panasonic GX85
• Panasonic G7
• Panasonic LX100 (ok, not ILC, but still 4/3 sensor)
• Yi M1
• Blackmagic Pocket Cinema
• DJI Zenmuse

(Did I miss any?) In particular, how can anyone possibly claim that EM1.x does anything other than add another option to those already available in a very cool ecosystem of interchangeable camera and lens offerings from multiple manufacturers?

In case you're wondering, the post is motivated by a thread bemoaning a lack of 'vision'. on the part of Olympus. Hardly.

All this is listed but what's missed is the outdated tech used in the middle to lower range. It's not lack of Vision- the Vision- as the 100th anniversary video shows is there. The problem is NOT executing that vision right. The EM1X is counter to the vision.

PistonPhotoUK wrote:

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And they have an order they must release their products?

What happened for people to feel so entitled that their needs must be met first? Or at all?

It's hardly about entitlement but an observation. Imaging division losing money again quarter by quarter. Competition intensified. Which camera is a bigger seller/profit maker/more needed- an EM1X which undermines a key selling proposition of m43rds or an EM5 MKIII.

Also you know, Olympus is not charity but a business. Sure, they can do as they darn please and run the system in to the ground.  It happened before.

Don't meet needs of the majority of the customers they have of their system? Sure, go right ahead. Of course when people complain If the company is losing money and approaching chapter 11, how many will blame those who decided to buy something else right?

CharlesB58 wrote:

Jeff wrote:

The purpose of this post is simply to remind folks that m43's is a *system*, not a single camera body. As a reminder, here are models currently available on manufacturers' web sites ...

• Olympus E-PL9
• Olympus E-M10.3
• Olympus E-M5.2
• Olympus E-M1.2
• Olympus E-M1.x
• Panasonic GH5
• Panasonic GH4
• Panasonic GX850
• Panasonic GX85
• Panasonic G7
• Panasonic LX100 (ok, not ILC, but still 4/3 sensor)
• Yi M1
• Blackmagic Pocket Cinema
• DJI Zenmuse

(Did I miss any?) In particular, how can anyone possibly claim that EM1.x does anything other than add another option to those already available in a very cool ecosystem of interchangeable camera and lens offerings from multiple manufacturers?

In case you're wondering, the post is motivated by a thread bemoaning a lack of 'vision'. on the part of Olympus. Hardly.

Unfortunately the people on the other thread who have the negative attitudes won't care about this thread. They want every new camera from Olympus to satisfy their expectations and demands. They know much more than the designers and marketing people at Olympus. And of course financial considerations of the company are irrelevant.

Interestingly enough they are losing marketshare and money. One quarter already with the Em1X out.

Auf Reisen wrote:

To play devil's advocate: of course it's a system and there are other choices of camera bodies. But opportunity costs are a thing. Olympus could have used the R&D resources spent on the Emix to develop a camera with a smaller footprint. People are suggesting that Olympus should play to its strengths. That is, exceptionally feature-rich, small and light cameras with great weather sealing.

But they did just that. E-M1X is smaller and lighter than D5 or 1D. It as well has better weather sealed body, and exceptional features.

People are suggesting that E-M1X should have been like a E-PL9 with integrated EVF. Totally forgetting that why does 1D and D5 exist in the first place. And to explain this to themselves they look at the sensor size and try to rationalize everything from size to performance and capabilities through sensor square area.