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12-100 F4 or 75 F1.8?

Started May 11, 2019 | Discussions
cpt kent Contributing Member • Posts: 606
My take
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Just because you have the 17mm, I’d say “get the 12-100”.

I travel with a combo of 12-100 (day use) and Panasonic 20mm/1.7, for low light work. It slips nicely into my pocket. Seems to be a very handy combo. I could imagine doing the same with the 17mm (which you have) instead.

I personally have kept the 12-40. It’s handy to have in case of gray sky days when you want more than f4.

My last trip was made with all three lenses, as I packed the 12-100 and 20mm in the camera bag, and the 12-40 in the suitcase ‘just in case’. It was handy to have as a swap out for the 12-100 at night when I wanted a smaller and brighter zoom.

The 75mm is a great lens, but I’d rather give up the f1.8 than give up the 12-100

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40-150mm F4-5.6 <$130
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The 40-150 f/4-5.6 I see is heavily discounted and is a very good lens. I've seen it for around $125 USD. Personally, I don't use the longer lenses very much, so it fits the gap well.

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OP Po Sen Tsui Regular Member • Posts: 289
12-100 it is
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Guys, thank you all for your input and recommendations. After 2 weeks of consideration, I finally made up my mind and decided that 12-100 will be a much convenient choice and I will use my 17mm f1.8 for low light stuff. I just bought the 12-100 today, tested it a bit in my neighborhood and already not regretting my decision. Handheld Sync IS is a beast.......even it is just a test shot

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,186
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Looks like you made the right decision--hope you get years of pleasure and great photos from it!

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These are two very different lenses. I have both, and the 12-100 practically lives on my camera. The 75 1.8 is a stunning lens, but I only bring it out for special occasions, primarily outdoor or indoor shoots where I have some distance to use it.

I think you would be much better served with the 12-100 for general use.

Put it another way - one is a large quite capable workhorse that covers a lot of territory.  The other is a little compact delight That works just one focal length over a wider range of light but would surprise as being quite versatile. I also have both and would not part with either.

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Colin Smith1 Senior Member • Posts: 1,104
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Po Sen Tsui wrote:

Guys, thank you all for your input and recommendations. After 2 weeks of consideration, I finally made up my mind and decided that 12-100 will be a much convenient choice and I will use my 17mm f1.8 for low light stuff. I just bought the 12-100 today, tested it a bit in my neighborhood and already not regretting my decision. Handheld Sync IS is a beast.......even it is just a test shot

I made the same decision to sell my excellent 12-40 and buy the 12-100.  It is a Marvelous lens!  Sharper then the 12-40 and much more versatile.  It is the only lens I used on a trip to Cuba and my shots just couldn't be better.  Also works as a macro lens, at least for flowers and insects.

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jonnieb wrote:

These are two very different lenses. I have both, and the 12-100 practically lives on my camera. The 75 1.8 is a stunning lens, but I only bring it out for special occasions, primarily outdoor or indoor shoots where I have some distance to use it.

I think you would be much better served with the 12-100 for general use.

Sell 12-40, get the 12-100 and a 45 1.8.

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glassoholic wrote:

jonnieb wrote:

These are two very different lenses. I have both, and the 12-100 practically lives on my camera. The 75 1.8 is a stunning lens, but I only bring it out for special occasions, primarily outdoor or indoor shoots where I have some distance to use it.

I think you would be much better served with the 12-100 for general use.

Sell 12-40, get the 12-100 and a 45 1.8.

Or a 17/25 1.8 ... All good choices, depending on one's personal preferences. Roger Cicala had very good things to say about the 25 1.8, which I read after I had bought mine. I just happen to like the 25 (50 effective FL) focal length. Never really warmed to my 40mm.

I chose the f/1.8 25. Goes with all my various mix-n-match kits. Rarely take it when I have my 12-100 on the camera - but I can foresee situations where I might.

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RecklessCoding Regular Member • Posts: 453
Was in a similar spot - got the 75mm
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Earlier in December, I was looking at the same: swap my 12-40mm for the 12-100mm or get the 75mm to supplement my existing lens.

After trying both, I got the 75mm. It simply renders amazing. I am not a "bokeh addict", but the 75mm screams to be used even wide open. It is simply sharp with excellent contrast.

The 12-100mm was no sloth either, but didn't have that "special" feel to it. Also, that extra stop felt like a potential dropback.

Now, I have two lightweight travel configurations, both which fit into my Peak Design 5L Sling:

  1. 12-40mm f/2.8 + 75mm f/1.8
  2. 15mm f/1.7 + 45mm f/1.8 + 75mm f/1.8 (+ Voigtlander 25mm f/0.95 if I knwo that I will be shooting a lot)

I don't think that you can really go wrong wtih either of them, but certainly the 75mm is a keeper.

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SkiHound Veteran Member • Posts: 3,939
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I'm late to the party here. I don't have the 12-100 but I don't think I've ever seen anything but very positive reviews. I'd say it would be a much more versatile all around. The 75 is just terrific optically. At least mine is. And I mean really excellent optically. But, IMO, it's kind of a more specialized lens. It's forte is portraiture when you have some room to work. It would work really well for indoor events when you're not too far from the action. Or walking around when there are lots of people (something like a Renaissance festival, re-enactments, etc). No doubt this will vary from person to person, but it's not a focal length I find very versatile for general use.

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SkiHound wrote:

I'm late to the party here. I don't have the 12-100 but I don't think I've ever seen anything but very positive reviews.

well serious reviews says it is a good to very good lens for an all purpose lens . But because of this multi purpose it is not outstanding like some other lenses in the m4/3 system

I'd say it would be a much more versatile all around. The 75 is just terrific optically. At least mine is.

Mine too but I hardly ever use it and it is DEFINITELY not a lens to take when traveling because of its limited use

And I mean really excellent optically. But, IMO, it's kind of a more specialized lens. It's forte is portraiture when you have some room to work.

make that lots of room . Now that I have my own BIG studio I sometimes use it. I don t think it ever work when shooting on location indoors OR outdoors

It would work really well for indoor events when you're not too far from the action. Or walking around when there are lots of people (something like a Renaissance festival, re-enactments, etc). No doubt this will vary from person to person, but it's not a focal length I find very versatile for general use.

Me neither . this is why I plan to sell mine now that I have MUCH better options on either side of this focal length

This proves once more that nobody should choose a lens based on the image quality alone

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brianric Veteran Member • Posts: 8,980
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Tacitvs wrote:

As another alternative, have you considered the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 which is a quality lens and fairly compact in size? You'd then have no gap in focal length, and f2.8 zooms rather than an f4 superzoom.

I find the 35-100/2.8 a little bit soft at 100mm/f2.8 on the E-M1 Mk II.

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Tacitvs Regular Member • Posts: 163
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brianric wrote:

Tacitvs wrote:

As another alternative, have you considered the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 which is a quality lens and fairly compact in size? You'd then have no gap in focal length, and f2.8 zooms rather than an f4 superzoom.

I find the 35-100/2.8 a little bit soft at 100mm/f2.8 on the E-M1 Mk II.

Interesting to note.  I don't have one and was just mentioning it as an option.  I have long considered getting one, or the Oly 40-150 f2.8, but have held off as I think I need something wider than 12mm first.

Will bear this in mind when I eventually get round to it!

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brianric wrote:

Tacitvs wrote:

As another alternative, have you considered the Panasonic 35-100 f2.8 which is a quality lens and fairly compact in size? You'd then have no gap in focal length, and f2.8 zooms rather than an f4 superzoom.

I find the 35-100/2.8 a little bit soft at 100mm/f2.8 on the E-M1 Mk II.

Me too... I could not depend on 100mm wide open. AF also acted odd occasionally... focus confirmed but obviously out (Mk 1 version). Heavy vignetting too always made shots look "dull" even after processing RAW to correct. It was nearly a keeper, but ended up replacing with the 40-150 2.8 Oly Pro. I think Pana made some compromises to get it so small... another few mm' s and grams and it might have nailed it.

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Harold66 wrote:

SkiHound wrote:

I'm late to the party here. I don't have the 12-100 but I don't think I've ever seen anything but very positive reviews.

well serious reviews says it is a good to very good lens for an all purpose lens . But because of this multi purpose it is not outstanding like some other lenses in the m4/3 system

Actually, by wide consensus the 12-100 is an outstanding lens.  The only nits to pick with it are its size, weight, and f/4.  On the latter point, it's faster at most focal lengths than the 14-140 or 14-150 (and much better as well), and it's nearly as fast at most focal lengths as the PL 12-60.

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brentbrent wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

SkiHound wrote:

I'm late to the party here. I don't have the 12-100 but I don't think I've ever seen anything but very positive reviews.

well serious reviews says it is a good to very good lens for an all purpose lens . But because of this multi purpose it is not outstanding like some other lenses in the m4/3 system

Actually, by wide consensus the 12-100 is an outstanding lens. The only nits to pick with it are its size, weight, and f/4. On the latter point, it's faster at most focal lengths than the 14-140 or 14-150 (and much better as well), and it's nearly as fast at most focal lengths as the PL 12-60.

I think that you are all right here - it is a serious lens it is f4.0 for its full range, it is well corrected, it takes great images, it is lens image stabilised.  It extends considerably at zoom, it works very well on an unstabilised GM5 body despite its size and lens extension. Weight it has but not so much as to be any issue.

I love mine to bits, but then I love quite a few lenses

What more can we want?  It is completely outclassed by the very compact Olympus 75/1.8 in low light at 75mm.  It cannot match the Nocticron 42.5/1.2 at 42.5mm, I guess that we could go on ... it is versatile and useful and a very good lens (outstanding) in its type class - no doubt.

I am not heavily into “zooms” but this is one of the ones that I really like.

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Jozef M wrote:

Stay away from those long slow zooms, m4/3 needs as much light you can get. F4 is F8 in gathering light compared to FF sensors.

35 - 100 f/2,8 is better.

Jozef.

I agree with you about the slow zooms. Are you sure about aperture? I thought F4 is only equal to f8 regarding DOF. FF sensors are 4x the area of MFT sensors and need 4x more light for an equivalent exposure, and that is why their lens barrels are so wide.

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brentbrent wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

SkiHound wrote:

I'm late to the party here. I don't have the 12-100 but I don't think I've ever seen anything but very positive reviews.

well serious reviews says it is a good to very good lens for an all purpose lens . But because of this multi purpose it is not outstanding like some other lenses in the m4/3 system

Actually, by wide consensus the 12-100 is an outstanding lens.

You probably means users on this forum .. but most people cannot be objective on any stuff that they own... i prefer to rely on more fact based opinions of people who test lenses and compare them with similar lenses

i have read three or four reviews and they all seem to agree on what I wrote

A good to very good lens may be well enough for a multi-purpose lens

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Harold66 wrote:

brentbrent wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

SkiHound wrote:

I'm late to the party here. I don't have the 12-100 but I don't think I've ever seen anything but very positive reviews.

well serious reviews says it is a good to very good lens for an all purpose lens . But because of this multi purpose it is not outstanding like some other lenses in the m4/3 system

Actually, by wide consensus the 12-100 is an outstanding lens.

You probably means users on this forum .. but most people cannot be objective on any stuff that they own... i prefer to rely on more fact based opinions of people who test lenses and compare them with similar lenses

i have read three or four reviews and they all seem to agree on what I wrote

A good to very good lens may be well enough for a multi-purpose lens

Harold

Care to elucidate and provide URLs, Harold?

I thought I had read most reviews of the lens, and all have been somewhat more positive than you are implying.

I like mine greatly.

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Harold66 wrote:

brentbrent wrote:

Actually, by wide consensus the 12-100 is an outstanding lens.

You probably means users on this forum .. but most people cannot be objective on any stuff that they own... i prefer to rely on more fact based opinions of people who test lenses and compare them with similar lenses

i have read three or four reviews and they all seem to agree on what I wrote

A good to very good lens may be well enough for a multi-purpose lens

Harold

Here you go, results to go with the user anecdotes .

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