Why should a satisfied user of a g80 consider to upgrade to g90?

As always every time the new body comes around the then old new body is shelfed to the second one/backseat. So just question out interest: would you upgrade as hobby photographer and sell your g80 in order to buy the g90?

From G7 to G80 that was a resonable big step ahead.

shuttershock control by much better shutter, 4K usage improved, button layout, even more stacked with features, weathersealing,

So what is shining bright comparing the G80 vs G90?

sensor improvement and resolution? 16Mp vs 20Mp? new one. Does this improvement shows more then alone more cropability?

Rearranged buttonlayout? Was the G80 not good enough? I mean new can be just new not really better.

video: yes highspeed/slowmotion video is not present on the g80. (why? on purpose i think to keep the distance of the GH serie.) but now ?G9 and G90 has those slowmotion posibility so firmware upgrade on G80 done.

any thing else?

The upgrade path for low end models is towards the high end models really.

If you wanna stay on the low end, you should probably be skipping a generation or three.

As a satisfied G80 user myself, I only consider the G90 as the replacement model when my G80 would become defective or lost. And by that time hopefully we're talking about a G100 which would then have 6K Photo.

spike29 wrote:

As always every time the new body comes around the then old new body is shelfed to the second one/backseat. So just question out interest: would you upgrade as hobby photographer and sell your g80 in order to buy the g90?

No, I have 2 x G80 and will not consider upgrading until a  G80 dies and the G90 price has dropped - as it surely will over time.

From G7 to G80 that was a resonable big step ahead.

shuttershock control by much better shutter, 4K usage improved, button layout, even more stacked with features, weathersealing,

I think the step form G7 to the G80 was big and very worthwhile.

So what is shining bright comparing the G80 vs G90?

sensor improvement and resolution? 16Mp vs 20Mp? new one. Does this improvement shows more then alone more cropability?

Assuming a more powerful processor, there may be other advantages, like better Jpegs OOC.

Rearranged buttonlayout? Was the G80 not good enough? I mean new can be just new not really better.

A small learning curve for new/rearranged buttons but shouldn't be significant.

video: yes highspeed/slowmotion video is not present on the g80. (why? on purpose i think to keep the distance of the GH serie.) but now ?G9 and G90 has those slowmotion posibility so firmware upgrade on G80 done.

Not significant to me, I shout very little video and only HD. When I do, it's the only time I use iA

any thing else?

A plus, I think, is that it uses the same batteries and Grip as the G80.

Since you are a satisfied user, there is, IMO, no reason to upgrade. Continue to use what you have and continue to be a satisfied user.

Keit ll wrote:

The new G90 can record in 4K at 24/25/30p for an unlimited duration, even in Europe where recording times are often limited to 30 minutes or less.

Better 20MP sensor which allows higher resolution. There are other tweaks which are better assessed by actually handling the camera.

Yes, but is this significant enough to spent a few hunderd buck again?

As for me, it has some features i would be having when buying my G80 as choise of upgrade and entrering the m43 world.

Slowmotionvideo, fun but i rearly mis the future.

30 min limitation yes anoying but restart gives you again 30min. ( just need to set timer at 25min to get atention for nearly ending recording when you suspect recording exceeds 30minutes.

20Mp sensor, comming from 12Mp, 16Mp is also a good step forward and most of the time enough.

Ah i am not the only one who is restraining myself from buying myself to the frontseat every time the new one is presented.

I was looking at the G7 when the G80 was in rumoursides and nearfuture to be presented. So i waited for the fz2000 and the G80 to see if they where my sweatspot and wishlist granted camera.

Well long story short, it became the G80.😏

And after some time i have my three lens setup to cover most/all of my needs.

Me personaly will indeed buy the G90 only if my G80 gets broken or stolen in the near future.

But i understand others urge to the new sensor.

windmillgolfer wrote:

spike29 wrote:

As always every time the new body comes around the then old new body is shelfed to the second one/backseat. So just question out interest: would you upgrade as hobby photographer and sell your g80 in order to buy the g90?

No, I have 2 x G80 and will not consider upgrading until a G80 dies and the G90 price has dropped - as it surely will over time.

+1

From G7 to G80 that was a resonable big step ahead.

shuttershock control by much better shutter, 4K usage improved, button layout, even more stacked with features, weathersealing,

I think the step form G7 to the G80 was big and very worthwhile.

Yes, that's why i back then decided to get the new body instead of the old one with discount.

So what is shining bright comparing the G80 vs G90?

sensor improvement and resolution? 16Mp vs 20Mp? new one. Does this improvement shows more then alone more cropability?

Assuming a more powerful processor, there may be other advantages, like better Jpegs OOC.

I shoot raw and i don't reach it present limitations wanting more.

Rearranged buttonlayout? Was the G80 not good enough? I mean new can be just new not really better.

A small learning curve for new/rearranged buttons but shouldn't be significant.

video: yes highspeed/slowmotion video is not present on the g80. (why? on purpose i think to keep the distance of the GH serie.) but now ?G9 and G90 has those slowmotion posibility so firmware upgrade on G80 done.

Not significant to me, I shout very little video and only HD. When I do, it's the only time I use iA

any thing else?

A plus, I think, is that it uses the same batteries and Grip as the G80.

short list of improvements for G80 owners i think🙂

spike29 wrote:

As always every time the new body comes around the then old new body is shelfed to the second one/backseat. So just question out interest: would you upgrade as hobby photographer and sell your g80 in order to buy the g90?

From G7 to G80 that was a resonable big step ahead.

shuttershock control by much better shutter, 4K usage improved, button layout, even more stacked with features, weathersealing,

So what is shining bright comparing the G80 vs G90?

sensor improvement and resolution? 16Mp vs 20Mp? new one. Does this improvement shows more then alone more cropability?

Rearranged buttonlayout? Was the G80 not good enough? I mean new can be just new not really better.

video: yes highspeed/slowmotion video is not present on the g80. (why? on purpose i think to keep the distance of the GH serie.) but now ?G9 and G90 has those slowmotion posibility so firmware upgrade on G80 done.

any thing else?

" would you upgrade as hobby photographer and sell your g80 in order to buy the g90?""

How refreshing to find somebody who understands what the vast majority of us are, ie hobby photographers, and questions how much money they throw at their hobby.  Every time that I get the itch for new equipment I remind myself that it is just my hobby, and then try to justify further investment.

I also use a G80, and I won't go for a G90 until they are on the used market at a price that I can justify for a 20 megapixel sensor. And I actually enjoy using, and the the output from, my old G2 so I can't even justify a G90 as a second body (yet).

spike29 wrote:

As always every time the new body comes around the then old new body is shelfed to the second one/backseat. So just question out interest: would you upgrade as hobby photographer and sell your g80 in order to buy the g90?

Probably not. There are a few things that make the G95/G90 more desirable, but for me probably not enough to pay the upgrade cost:

• The G90/G95 now has a headphone jack which is useful for monitoring the levels of sound being recorded. The microphone jack has been moved so it does not interfere with the articulating rear screen, but the headphone jack is in the spot where the microphone jack used to be, so you have the same problem with having to set your screen and then attach the microphone (G85) or headset (G95) after adjusting the screen..
• The European version (G90) no longer has the 30 minute video limit that the G80/G81 did. The USA/Asia version (G85) did not have a limit. In the last 12 months, I have had 6 times that I needed to record video longer than 30 minutes. So if I lived in Europe, I could imagine this would be a big feature.
• The G90/G95 has the 20 MP sensor compared to the 16 MP sensor in the G80/G81/G85. Particularly for out-of-camera JPGs, this has been a good improvement at high ISOs on other 20 MP cameras. Now, unlike a lot of DPR readers, I shoot JPG only, and for me, it might be a useful upgrade.
• The downside of going to the 20 MP sensor is if you shoot in 4K, you now have a worse crop factor (IIRC, 1.26 vs. 1.19). At the moment, I don't shoot video in 4K, so it isn't an issue for me. The G9 at a slightly higher price does use over-sampling and no crop factor, but you need to switch the camera into an undocumented test mode to change the video record limit settings.
• The G90/G95 now can charge batteries in the camera with a USB-micro cable, and I believe the USB-micro cable can also power the camera if the USB connection can provide 5v/2.1a of power. This means you don't have to use dummy batteries to use external power any more (yeah). One thing that might be a downside, might not, is the camera still uses the micro-USB cable instead of the new USB-C cable that other new cameras are moving towards. Right now, I have the micro-USB cables from everything else, but over time, I suspect the micro-USB will seem old fashioned (like the mini-USB jack that preceded micro-USB) in a year or two.
• As an upgrade, it does use the same batteries and grip as the G85. The G9 uses different batteries and a different grip. I figure it would cost me an $100 or so to get clone batteries/grip to replicate what I have with the G85.
• In the USA unfortunately, the camera comes with the 12-60mm f/3.5-5.6 lens. I already have that lens, and I wish the camera was available without the lens.

So for me, the main improvements are out-of-camera JPG, and USB power.  I probably would welcome having a headset for video sound recording, but since I don't have one now, I don't know if I would use it.

The bundled lens and 4K crop factor might be two issues against doing the upgrade.

... because of a desire to spend money and access to strangers online who will encourage it?

Great summary of the differences and a balanced opinion about the value of those differences.

As it seems the GAS is fuel d by forums and advertisement video's  and reviewers the best way to avoid a empty wallet or bank account is go out shut down your PC and make photo's with your owned and present equipment.

spike29 wrote:

Great summary of the differences and a balanced opinion about the value of those differences.

As it seems the GAS is fuel d by forums and advertisement video's and reviewers the best way to avoid a empty wallet or bank account is go out shut down your PC and make photo's with your owned and present equipment.

You're on the right track.  Marketing and ads are powerful stuff.  Gas can be a huge problem.  Also, some compromise on gear, and are never satisfied with what they have, and seek better gear all the time.

If you have a system that completes you, there is no reason to upgrade.  But, if there are ground breaking game changing features of the G90 that will take your photo/video to a new level that you can't get with your current system (with work arounds) then a upgrade is worth considering.

HRC2016 wrote:

... because of a desire to spend money and access to strangers online who will encourage it?

HRC2016, your wisdom must be almost INFINITE! 

Jack Winberg

I have a similar bout of GAS but I’m coming from a GX7 and with a limited budget.

I purchased a GX8 on eBay but sadly I returned it due to a fault.

I also purchased an EM10mkii.

To be honest I was underwhelmed with the image quality differences going from 16mb to 20mb on the GX8 but the speed of operation was definitely improved and subjectively the OOC jpgs were better . The EVF is missing already!

The EM10mkii was a different upgrade as it provides some excellent Olympus features such as Live Composite which I wanted to try.

All in all I think that unless your old camera is limited in a way that is going to be improved by a new model I’d wait

Also recommend having both Olympus and Panasonic bodies to compare!!

Funny that you are underwelmed by the 4Mp extra. Most upgraders are aiming on that "new sensor with higher pixelcount" as main reason for spending money on a new body.

Like me most people are shooting in A-mode and use the auto iso or manual selection iso depending on there shutterspeed needs.

So stopmotion, timelaps, and other menu things as 4k preburst and such is less used then we think as we buy it.

And that's ok, better menu stuff we only use for fun and trail then miss out on things once in a wile.

As i see it camera's can have a longer livetime then the manufactorers wants to let us believe.

I think it’s expectations, perhaps I expected the extra 4MP to give more than it delivered.