Canon EOS RP sales nosedive in Japan

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Lisa Horton
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Peak freak wrote:

I think I have PTSD over what Canon expected me to pay for the 6D2, and in line with the thread, unless a small, light FF body like the RP has small, light lenses available, it is rather pointless to me.

Everyone has their own ways of seeing things, this is one that I don't really understand.  The camera and lens are a unit while in use.  Lower the weight of either of them and you've lowered the weight of the unit.  If lowering weight is the point, then lowering the total weight should serve the point.

I was all set to buy the 6D2, just waiting for checks to clear when the RP came out at a price that surprised me.  I'd handled the 6D2 in store and it was fairly similar in size and weight to my outgoing 50D.  The RP is clearly lighter and smaller, making the entire unit lighter and smaller no matter what lens I'm using.  I also feel that a lighter body balances better with large lenses, but probably only because I've gotten used to that over time.

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jalywol
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Lisa Horton wrote:

Peak freak wrote:

I think I have PTSD over what Canon expected me to pay for the 6D2, and in line with the thread, unless a small, light FF body like the RP has small, light lenses available, it is rather pointless to me.

Everyone has their own ways of seeing things, this is one that I don't really understand. The camera and lens are a unit while in use. Lower the weight of either of them and you've lowered the weight of the unit. If lowering weight is the point, then lowering the total weight should serve the point.

I was all set to buy the 6D2, just waiting for checks to clear when the RP came out at a price that surprised me. I'd handled the 6D2 in store and it was fairly similar in size and weight to my outgoing 50D. The RP is clearly lighter and smaller, making the entire unit lighter and smaller no matter what lens I'm using. I also feel that a lighter body balances better with large lenses, but probably only because I've gotten used to that over time.

I agree with you....but I have a sneaking suspicion that there may be a gender difference in how people perceive the RP.

The minute the RP was announced, and I saw the body weight, I knew I was going to get it.  I know, from experience, that my comfort zone with camera bodies is 400-500g.  At that weight, the body balances differently in my hand than a heavier one, and, even with larger lenses, the torque it puts on my wrist and elbow is considerably reduced.

In practice, the RP has, indeed, proven to be enjoyable, and not painful, to use, even with the not tiniest of lenses on it (EF 70-300mm f4-5.6 II plus converter is about 850g, so it's not a lightweight).  More bulk and weight in hand of a larger body, for me is far more uncomfortable to use, especially when carrying it around for a day of shooting.

On the other hand, if I had big man paws, I'd be worried that the RP might be too small, sure.  But not for me....

Now, if Canon was smart, they might want to figure out how to market the camera to this segment of the marketplace, without alienating the entire male customer base....tough to do.

-J

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this is quite the shocker. It’s a brand new camera released with a never before seen price but it’s sales is already dropping extremely quickly. Matter of fact it never even matches a camera that cost 50% more in sales. Something went wrong somewhere. On top of the dismal RP sales the EOS R it’s older brother is doing even worse.

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Lisa Horton wrote:

Peak freak wrote:

I think I have PTSD over what Canon expected me to pay for the 6D2, and in line with the thread, unless a small, light FF body like the RP has small, light lenses available, it is rather pointless to me.

Everyone has their own ways of seeing things, this is one that I don't really understand. The camera and lens are a unit while in use. Lower the weight of either of them and you've lowered the weight of the unit. If lowering weight is the point, then lowering the total weight should serve the point.

Yep, fair enough, I can see what you are getting at.

I do a lot of hiking, climbing etc and use a 5D2 / 16-35/4 combo. Size and weight are a definite consideration for myself.

The thing with the RP is that it is not really up to the spec that I would like, but I would be willing to compromise if there was enough of an advantage with size / weight etc.

Having to adapt EF lenses to the RP negates the one real advantage it has for me.

For example, I think Canon has done a good job with the EOS M5/50 and the EF-M 11-22. That set up might be worth the compromise in IQ for very real benefits in size and weight. [I don't think anyone else really offers a well performing WA mirrorless option for the price].

But the RP and adapted lenses? Might as well save up for the EOS R, or something else...

[I did buy a 100D and EF-S 10-18 as my lightweight kit. To cut a long story short, I still lug the 5D2/16-35 with me].

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Here is my take. There are three broad categories of photographers: the casual and undemanding users (soccer moms, social networks users, etc.), the enthusiasts (technology enthusiasts, retired professionals, dpreview nuts, etc.), and working professionals.

The first category wants cheaper, lighter, the most automated products. They are not attracted to the R line. Even the cheap RP isn't competitive with M50 and Rebels.

The third category work for money, the R line doesn't give any advantages to them. To the contrary, it would cost them money building a new system and selling the old one. This category is also reluctant to use version one of anything, any unproven technology is a risk to their business.

So, only the second category can potentially embrace the R line en masse. But this category is largely populated by knowledgeable people with deep pockets. They aren't going to choose something only because it's cheaper. Moreover, they buy bodies, lenses, accessories, so they evaluate the total cost of the system, which is significantly higher than a body. So, say you have $5000 to spend, would you go with R/RP or A7iii? I think majority would choose A7iii, they will get better body and more lenses for the same money. Even adapted EF lenses often work better on A7iii than on R. I was surprised to see the animal eye-AF was working fine with adapter lenses on A7iii. Add to that IBIS and you can pick up high quality unstabilized lenses for peanuts. For example, the unstabilized 70-200mm and 135/2 work great on A7iii, not so on R.

What Canon needs to do to change the situation is to release a better body with IBIS, while making more RF lenses. And I mean, high quality RF lenses, large and small. They don't have to be cheap, the group #1 won't be buying anyway. And the group #2 won't be attracted by the cheap low quality lenses. RF lenses is the only thing that is drawing me personally to the R system. I think it will take Canon at least 2 years before it can become as attractive as Sony.

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justmeMN wrote:

Silvex wrote:

...$1000 sooner than I expected. Great news for those who may be considering it.

I don't think so.

Last quarter their Imaging division Operating Profit Margin was a miniscule 2.7% , and Canon wants to raise it back into the double digits. Lowering the price of the RP to below $1,000 goes against that goal. If it's not selling well, Canon can just lower production.

It doesn't matter what the margin is. The batches of cameras have been manufactured. They must be sold at whatever price the market supports. If Canon is losing money then they can kill the unprofitable models or modify them.

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Silvex wrote:

...$1000 sooner than I expected. Great news for those who may be considering it.

The best way for Canon to sell the inventory is to offer rebates rather than lowering the MSRP. When offering rebates Canon likes bundling products together. So I would expect something like: Buy EOS RP and another lens and get $300 rebate.

But either way, the RP body will have to go under $1000 to pick up some sales.

Lisa Horton
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forpetessake wrote:

Here is my take. There are three broad categories of photographers: the casual and undemanding users (soccer moms, social networks users, etc.), the enthusiasts (technology enthusiasts, retired professionals, dpreview nuts, etc.), and working professionals.

The first category wants cheaper, lighter, the most automated products. They are not attracted to the R line. Even the cheap RP isn't competitive with M50 and Rebels.

The third category work for money, the R line doesn't give any advantages to them. To the contrary, it would cost them money building a new system and selling the old one. This category is also reluctant to use version one of anything, any unproven technology is a risk to their business.

So, only the second category can potentially embrace the R line en masse. But this category is largely populated by knowledgeable people with deep pockets. They aren't going to choose something only because it's cheaper. Moreover, they buy bodies, lenses, accessories, so they evaluate the total cost of the system, which is significantly higher than a body. So, say you have $5000 to spend, would you go with R/RP or A7iii? I think majority would choose A7iii, they will get better body and more lenses for the same money. Even adapted EF lenses often work better on A7iii than on R. I was surprised to see the animal eye-AF was working fine with adapter lenses on A7iii. Add to that IBIS and you can pick up high quality unstabilized lenses for peanuts. For example, the unstabilized 70-200mm and 135/2 work great on A7iii, not so on R.

I agree with your assessment of the three main segments, but I think that the second group is more varied than you describe.  I think that there are a significant number of people in this group who actually are budget constrained to varying degrees.  Look at the Rebel forum here.  It's a DPReview forum, it's not the general public or group 1, it's absolutely group 2 but at a more modest economic level.  And the same is true to a lesser extent with the XXD forums.  I don't read the equivalent forums for other brands so no idea if the pattern holds true there as well but I'd be surprised if it didn't.

For people who have no current gear but are looking to drop $5K plus on a new kit, yes, Sony might be an attractive choice.  How many of those are there?  Lots here, but how many in terms of the total market?

What Canon needs to do to change the situation is to release a better body with IBIS, while making more RF lenses. And I mean, high quality RF lenses, large and small. They don't have to be cheap, the group #1 won't be buying anyway. And the group #2 won't be attracted by the cheap low quality lenses. RF lenses is the only thing that is drawing me personally to the R system. I think it will take Canon at least 2 years before it can become as attractive as Sony.

If you've got a collection of Canon lenses and if you've got years or decades of familiarity with the Canon UI style, it's going to take a lot to make a Sony look attractive.  I handled the A7II in the store, the ergonomics were not impressive.  I can pick up any Canon AF SLR and immediately understand how to operate it.

This is all just opinions, I see every day that there are people who are completely willing to drop an entire system and buy into another different system and I'm sure that for them, for their priorities, that makes total sense.

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jay-A Regular Member • Posts: 291
Re: Canon EOS RP sales nosedive in Japan

mcslsk wrote:

WSteveP wrote:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-eos-rp-sales-nosedive-in-japan

Article blames lack of native lenses. However given the compatability of EF lenses (with adapter) I'm not sure that would be the reason.

I wonder how sales are in north America and Europe.

Comments?

https://www.canonwatch.com/world-press-photo-2019-winners-used-canon-and-nikon-a-few-fuji-sony-and-leica-insignificant/

Canon will need to get the transition of their core customers, i.e. those who use their cameras to make a living, right. All else is peanuts. The R is a good start.

I don't get your logic - this is a small number of users, so what is really the point in getting these to transition while the rest massively switch to Sony?

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forpetessake wrote:

I think majority would choose A7iii, they will get better body and more lenses for the same money. Even adapted EF lenses often work better on A7iii than on R. I was surprised to see the animal eye-AF was working fine with adapter lenses on A7iii.

LOLWUT????

Please name any Sony lens that costs $125 like the EF 50mm 1.8 STM.
Then also please name any 85mm 1.8 Sony lens that costs $349.
About 50-80% of Sony lenses are much more expensive than their Canon counterparts and Sony doesn't even offer f/1.2 primes. Their Sony Planar 50mm f1.4 lens is even more expensive than Canon 50mm 1.2 L.
So how in the tarnation do you come to the conclusion a Sony system would be cheaper?

The AF on Canon lenses is working better on A7III? LOL? Can only come from somebody who never tried an EOS R and watched too much Jason Lanier videos OR from somebody who never bothered trying his Sony indoors.
Maybe watch this at about 8:00 min and be sure to watch it until ~10:30 where the focus completely fails and JUST DOES NOTHING ANYMORE. I can assure you, that stuff does not happen with an EOS R which can even focus in dimmest light conditions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05qiBLJl5I

Also an EOS R has no problems adapting 300mm and more and still find focus UNLIKE Sony.

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All of my long telephoto lenses hunt a lot more on the R and RP.  Would love to see that performance improve.

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Seems like it's a bit clunky to have an adapter in the middle to me.  I can see why consumers would rather have a native lens that mounts without an adapter.  Maybe it's just a mental thing but it is a hurdle Canon will have to overcome as long as they don't have an RF mount version.

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WSteveP wrote:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-eos-rp-sales-nosedive-in-japan

Article blames lack of native lenses. However given the compatability of EF lenses (with adapter) I'm not sure that would be the reason.

I wonder how sales are in north America and Europe.

Comments?

What dropping sales on a new FF entry level camera  mean to a fairly successful company doesn't matter to me since I have a camera I like.

The RP seems to fit nicely in the Canon body line up. Higher sales would be better but, even without great sale numbers, it still fills a hole in the camera line up that needs filling (a better cheaper 6D).

The RP is a good step up for those who enter the hobby by buying a Rebel.  Whatever lens the beginner wound up buying for their Rebel, as they dug deeper into the hobby, will work on their first full frame camera (EOS RP).  Easy as possible step up.

Not real. Note the game cross hairs and loading bar.  But good FF DOF and colors.

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mcslsk Veteran Member • Posts: 5,093
Re: Canon EOS RP sales nosedive in Japan

jay-A wrote:

mcslsk wrote:

WSteveP wrote:

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-eos-rp-sales-nosedive-in-japan

Article blames lack of native lenses. However given the compatability of EF lenses (with adapter) I'm not sure that would be the reason.

I wonder how sales are in north America and Europe.

Comments?

https://www.canonwatch.com/world-press-photo-2019-winners-used-canon-and-nikon-a-few-fuji-sony-and-leica-insignificant/

Canon will need to get the transition of their core customers, i.e. those who use their cameras to make a living, right. All else is peanuts. The R is a good start.

I don't get your logic - this is a small number of users, so what is really the point in getting these to transition while the rest massively switch to Sony?

Those using their gear to make a living are not a small group. And they are the ones likely to continue to use FF cameras. Canon's focus is on that group and how to transition them orderly from DSLR to MILC (or keep them on both). The RP is an offer for users wanting to switch to FF from APS-C, the R for FF users who already own EF lenses and wan't mirrorless.

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lawny13 Senior Member • Posts: 1,552
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Peak freak wrote:

Lisa Horton wrote:

Peak freak wrote:

I think I have PTSD over what Canon expected me to pay for the 6D2, and in line with the thread, unless a small, light FF body like the RP has small, light lenses available, it is rather pointless to me.

Everyone has their own ways of seeing things, this is one that I don't really understand. The camera and lens are a unit while in use. Lower the weight of either of them and you've lowered the weight of the unit. If lowering weight is the point, then lowering the total weight should serve the point.

Yep, fair enough, I can see what you are getting at.

I do a lot of hiking, climbing etc and use a 5D2 / 16-35/4 combo. Size and weight are a definite consideration for myself.

The thing with the RP is that it is not really up to the spec that I would like, but I would be willing to compromise if there was enough of an advantage with size / weight etc.

Having to adapt EF lenses to the RP negates the one real advantage it has for me.

For example, I think Canon has done a good job with the EOS M5/50 and the EF-M 11-22. That set up might be worth the compromise in IQ for very real benefits in size and weight. [I don't think anyone else really offers a well performing WA mirrorless option for the price].

But the RP and adapted lenses? Might as well save up for the EOS R, or something else...

[I did buy a 100D and EF-S 10-18 as my lightweight kit. To cut a long story short, I still lug the 5D2/16-35 with me].

The grass is greener on the other side. For you who shoots landscape seriously consider saving for the R.

1. You will definitely appreciate the DR. For comparison, the R has as good DR as the A7II and almost that of the A7RIII. So though it isn’t up to par as the mk3 Sony bodies it is close enough.

2. I went Sony a few years ago and waited till canon came out with an MILC under 3k, and bought the R. Overall user experience, colors, design philosophy, glass, and ergonomics. I prefer all these things from canon. The Sony bodies may be smaller but they are not necessarily lighter (A7III = 650 g, R = 660 g). Due to the these reasons the R “feels” lighter, more confortable in hand. Once you go quality lenses on the sonys you negate having a small package, and the ergonomics goes way down. For me at least you get this claw light grip, which your palm separates from the body during operations, giving this constant feeling that I might drop the camera, and cramping hands.

3. Mirrorless size and weight savings is exagerated. It was a marketing thing that song pushed in the beginning, until they started producing quality GM lenses, then you don’t see any of this marketing push anymore.

4. Consider another brand... if you want good DR, light weight and small package, and quality lenses, consider Fuji. The X-T3 is an excellent camera, extremely well weather sealed, and a small package with those Fuji lenses (FF will generally always be big/heavy due to the size of those fast lenses. I for one have FF because I do loads of portraiture, so shallow DOF is something I like to have available.  But I was just on vacation with the R, and I am seriously considering a X-T30 with the 18-55 f2.8-4 for travel (and one of thier choice fast primes).

5. Long game... canon will release bodies and lenses that will have you (at least partly) regret you didn’t stay with them. The only question is if you can be patient. That 60+ MP camera is rumored to be released this year. And then there is that 15-35 f2.8 lens that will come out in July.

6. Last you hour talk about canon matching high Rez bodies. Yet you are talking about the 6d line, and saving for the R. I take it you aren’t looking at the A7R line.... so that high res thigh doesn’t matter since you are probably considering the A7III. Which is lower in resolution than the R.

good luck choosing.

Cheers

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Re: Canon EOS RP sales nosedive in Japan

lawny13 wrote:

6. Last you hour talk about canon matching high Rez bodies. Yet you are talking about the 6d line, and saving for the R. I take it you aren’t looking at the A7R line.... so that high res thigh doesn’t matter since you are probably considering the A7III. Which is lower in resolution than the R.

good luck choosing.

Cheers

The OP asked for thoughts on the RP. I'm of the good camera, great price, needs matched lenses school of thought. If I stay with Canon, I would definitely consider one as a back up body.

I was all ready to get a 6D2 to replace my 5D2. I wasn't impressed by what I consider Canons underhand trick of using their older sensor tech. I was so looking forward to a meaningful IQ update. Instead I spent my money on a road trip and gave my trusty 5D2 a good work out!

There are lots of good options out there. I see the EOS R as a reliable, seamless update that would work well with my existing lenses while I transitioned to what will probably be class leading RF lenses.

The one issue I have is that I would prefer more resolution (I print and sell some of my work and I see benefits of more Mpix, particularly for cropping to different formats) so I reckon the A7R3 is actually the best option for me, but not as straightforward or inexpensive as sticking with Canon.

Enter the Tamron FE 'native' 17-28/2.8 which could be a great compact, lightweight all-round landscape lens (including a bit of nightsky work). This lens has me interested in Sony again. I'm not in a hurry, I'll work out what the best option is.

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I don't read Japanese but this hardly seems useful.

This made me laugh!  Great comment.  I love it when something somewhat impossible to really quantify (such as a 1 month view of market potential) generates this much opinion and speculation.

I’ve loved reading all the comments... easy to ferret out who has been a long time Canon user or Pro vs. “Hi, allow me the pleasure of regurgitating what  Jared and Tony vlogged”.

Every opinion has value but not necessarily merit or validity.

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Re: Canon EOS RP sales nosedive in Japan

Peak freak wrote:

lawny13 wrote:

6. Last you hour talk about canon matching high Rez bodies. Yet you are talking about the 6d line, and saving for the R. I take it you aren’t looking at the A7R line.... so that high res thigh doesn’t matter since you are probably considering the A7III. Which is lower in resolution than the R.

good luck choosing.

Cheers

The OP asked for thoughts on the RP. I'm of the good camera, great price, needs matched lenses school of thought. If I stay with Canon, I would definitely consider one as a back up body.

I was all ready to get a 6D2 to replace my 5D2. I wasn't impressed by what I consider Canons underhand trick of using their older sensor tech. I was so looking forward to a meaningful IQ update. Instead I spent my money on a road trip and gave my trusty 5D2 a good work out!

There are lots of good options out there. I see the EOS R as a reliable, seamless update that would work well with my existing lenses while I transitioned to what will probably be class leading RF lenses.

The one issue I have is that I would prefer more resolution (I print and sell some of my work and I see benefits of more Mpix, particularly for cropping to different formats) so I reckon the A7R3 is actually the best option for me, but not as straightforward or inexpensive as sticking with Canon.

Enter the Tamron FE 'native' 17-28/2.8 which could be a great compact, lightweight all-round landscape lens (including a bit of nightsky work). This lens has me interested in Sony again. I'm not in a hurry, I'll work out what the best option is.

I know that the OP mentioned the RP, but the discussion did bring up the R.

Thing is I am not gonna encourage people to bet on one horse or another yet. I may have come back to the canon camp,  but the fact is that it will take at least a year or year and a half before people can start having an idea of which camp to be in. Switching is a tedious and potentially expensive action.

Sony does have some great tech. But in general before tamron entered the FE lens mount Sony glass was more expensive than canon, kinda removing the financial savings on the body.

The RF 35 and 24-105 f4 are both cheaper than the Sony options. If the trinity zooms are as well (by 100+ euros) then my bet would pan out.

I fully agree with you on the 6D2 and also the RP in terms of DR. It is stupid canon move since they are the only two bodies releases with the disappointing DR of previous generations.

On an engineering and business point of view I hope that they are working on releasing new gen sensors this next body release and onwards. The 5DIV And R DR is more than adaquite, but IBIS and faster readout speeds (for full width 4K, not that I care about video, but rather FPS and rolling shutter implications) would push them to a very good spot.

Canon’s user experience, touch interface and ergonomics is already way up there. Their RF lenses are as well, they really just need a body or two to catch up as well.

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Re: Canon EOS RP sales nosedive in Japan

jalywol wrote:

Lisa Horton wrote:

Peak freak wrote:

I think I have PTSD over what Canon expected me to pay for the 6D2, and in line with the thread, unless a small, light FF body like the RP has small, light lenses available, it is rather pointless to me.

Everyone has their own ways of seeing things, this is one that I don't really understand. The camera and lens are a unit while in use. Lower the weight of either of them and you've lowered the weight of the unit. If lowering weight is the point, then lowering the total weight should serve the point.

I was all set to buy the 6D2, just waiting for checks to clear when the RP came out at a price that surprised me. I'd handled the 6D2 in store and it was fairly similar in size and weight to my outgoing 50D. The RP is clearly lighter and smaller, making the entire unit lighter and smaller no matter what lens I'm using. I also feel that a lighter body balances better with large lenses, but probably only because I've gotten used to that over time.

I agree with you....but I have a sneaking suspicion that there may be a gender difference in how people perceive the RP.

Great point,

The minute the RP was announced, and I saw the body weight, I knew I was going to get it. I know, from experience, that my comfort zone with camera bodies is 400-500g. At that weight, the body balances differently in my hand than a heavier one, and, even with larger lenses, the torque it puts on my wrist and elbow is considerably reduced.

In practice, the RP has, indeed, proven to be enjoyable, and not painful, to use, even with the not tiniest of lenses on it (EF 70-300mm f4-5.6 II plus converter is about 850g, so it's not a lightweight). More bulk and weight in hand of a larger body, for me is far more uncomfortable to use, especially when carrying it around for a day of shooting.

On the other hand, if I had big man paws, I'd be worried that the RP might be too small, sure. But not for me....

For me, this was the case.  I didn’t enjoy the Oly OMD simply because it was too small.  The EG-1 extender turned the RP into the perfect camera as far as size for me personally... I thought it was a gimmick till I got the camera, picked it up and my last 1.5 fingers were hanging off and I lost the leverage I needed with the 24-105.

Canon should have turned the EG-1 into a small battery pack with extra SD slot and sold or included it cheap!

Now, if Canon was smart, they might want to figure out how to market the camera to this segment of the marketplace, without alienating the entire male customer base....tough to do.

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Re: Canon EOS RP sales nosedive in Japan

BirdShooter7 wrote:

All of my long telephoto lenses hunt a lot more on the R and RP. Would love to see that performance improve.

Please could you tell me which lenses haven't worked as expected, I often read reviews on this forum staying the af  was better than Canon's dslrs!

Many thanks

 Holscen's gear list:Holscen's gear list
Canon EOS 5D Mark III Canon EF 16-35mm F4L IS USM Canon EF 35mm F1.4L II USM Canon EF 70-200mm F4L IS USM Canon EF 24-70mm F2.8L II USM +4 more
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