So, the E-M5 III is coming at end of summer....

So, the E-M5 III (most likely) is coming at end of summer according to 43rumors.com (https://www.43rumors.com/), but is it really worth the wait...

Like many forum members, I have been waiting for an upgraded/updated E-M5 III for some time, specially since the E-PL9 and E-M10 III have been dumbed down.

However, I am asking myself more and more if it is really worth waiting?  The best we can expect is that Olympus finally puts the 20MP PDAF sensor from the E-M1 II & E-M1X into the M5 III with some additional gimmicks, but nothing earth shattering on the DR front or spectacular AF like the new Sony a6400...  ...and that is the best case scenario, considering that Oly's marketing team seems totally out of touch with reality, they might even go for the interior of the PEN F with lousy AF and slow operations...  If history is any guidance they will price it above the a6400 and the Fuji X-T30... and then tell everybody that there is no market below the PRO level...

Well, anyway... thought you might want to know that our wait will be over in 4-5 months...

Lars

You are committing to a system, not a body

So, a rumor of an inevitable upgrade in their camera line is Bad? Good?

LarsPolarBear wrote:

mg_k wrote:

You are committing to a system, not a body

... a system with increasingly heavy / bulky

EM5III will be neither

and over priced lenses as well

There are bargains to be had.  Just don't get sucked into so-called "PRO" lens from Olympus.

as underwater casings and ports (relevant for me). So no, the system is less and less convincing...

It's a shrinking market and the major players are shifting hugely to ff mirrorless.  So jump ship whilst you please.

NCV wrote:

The EM5III needs to be something special.

Yea you know very well that it will be everything but special.

Oly just need to be realistic with their pricing against all competitions to have a fighting chance.

E.g. Fuji X-T30 is $899 USD, price the EM5 III at $799 and it might just attract some new comers. Anything higher will only sell to existing m43 users = slow death.

LarsPolarBear wrote:

So, the E-M5 III (most likely) is coming at end of summer according to 43rumors.com (https://www.43rumors.com/), but is it really worth the wait...

Like many forum members, I have been waiting for an upgraded/updated E-M5 III for some time, specially since the E-PL9 and E-M10 III have been dumbed down.

However, I am asking myself more and more if it is really worth waiting? The best we can expect is that Olympus finally puts the 20MP PDAF sensor from the E-M1 II & E-M1X into the M5 III with some additional gimmicks, but nothing earth shattering on the DR front or spectacular AF like the new Sony a6400... ...and that is the best case scenario, considering that Oly's marketing team seems totally out of touch with reality, they might even go for the interior of the PEN F with lousy AF and slow operations... If history is any guidance they will price it above the a6400 and the Fuji X-T30... and then tell everybody that there is no market below the PRO level...

Well, anyway... thought you might want to know that our wait will be over in 4-5 months...

Lars

Go

NCV wrote:

The EM5 fiasco reminds me of Nikon's D300 fiasco where a top selling camera line was not kept up to date.

With a D300 that was falling apart through heavy use, I was tempted over to M43 when Olympus brought out the then revolutionary EM5.

It seems Olympus have badly lost the way with the steady flow of bloatware products at the expense of compact items that make more sense to most users.

If I want big cameras and fast lenses that just fight the DoF advantage of FF, I might as well just buy a Z6/7 or a Sony and be done with it. Those mirror less FF cameras are surprisingly lightweight and compact.

At least the bigger sensor will give me some IQ advantages.

I love M43 for its compact size and low weight, which make it a winner for hiking and travel. Surly the most common usage of cameras.

I see that camera sales are plummeting. I see a lot of heavy discounting; the Panasonic S1 is being offered with a €600 discount already where I live. The bloated EM1X is being heavily discounted too I believe in North America.

The EM5III needs to be something special.

It won't be. So go.

NCV wrote:

TN Args wrote:

NCV wrote:

The EM5 fiasco reminds me of Nikon's D300 fiasco where a top selling camera line was not kept up to date.

With a D300 that was falling apart through heavy use, I was tempted over to M43 when Olympus brought out the then revolutionary EM5.

It seems Olympus have badly lost the way with the steady flow of bloatware products at the expense of compact items that make more sense to most users.

If I want big cameras and fast lenses that just fight the DoF advantage of FF, I might as well just buy a Z6/7 or a Sony and be done with it. Those mirror less FF cameras are surprisingly lightweight and compact.

At least the bigger sensor will give me some IQ advantages.

I love M43 for its compact size and low weight, which make it a winner for hiking and travel. Surly the most common usage of cameras.

I see that camera sales are plummeting. I see a lot of heavy discounting; the Panasonic S1 is being offered with a €600 discount already where I live. The bloated EM1X is being heavily discounted too I believe in North America.

The EM5III needs to be something special.

It won't be. So go.

If it is not we can just watch as M43 slowly dies a slow death. Olympus is already at much less than 10 of the ILC market.

OK, say what you mean by "something special".

NCV wrote:

TN Args wrote:

NCV wrote:

TN Args wrote:

NCV wrote:

The EM5 fiasco reminds me of Nikon's D300 fiasco where a top selling camera line was not kept up to date.

With a D300 that was falling apart through heavy use, I was tempted over to M43 when Olympus brought out the then revolutionary EM5.

It seems Olympus have badly lost the way with the steady flow of bloatware products at the expense of compact items that make more sense to most users.

If I want big cameras and fast lenses that just fight the DoF advantage of FF, I might as well just buy a Z6/7 or a Sony and be done with it. Those mirror less FF cameras are surprisingly lightweight and compact.

At least the bigger sensor will give me some IQ advantages.

I love M43 for its compact size and low weight, which make it a winner for hiking and travel. Surly the most common usage of cameras.

I see that camera sales are plummeting. I see a lot of heavy discounting; the Panasonic S1 is being offered with a €600 discount already where I live. The bloated EM1X is being heavily discounted too I believe in North America.

The EM5III needs to be something special.

It won't be. So go.

If it is not we can just watch as M43 slowly dies a slow death. Olympus is already at much less than 10 of the ILC market.

OK, say what you mean by "something special".

Something that makes me want to buy the EM5III.

An up to date 24- 30MP sensor might be a good start, to be at least in line with the competition.

Not.Gonna.Happen.

But I will play along - if it does have 24-30mp, how much do you think Olympus will charge to milk their existing customer?  $1499?

LarsPolarBear wrote:

So, the E-M5 III (most likely) is coming at end of summer according to 43rumors.com (https://www.43rumors.com/), but is it really worth the wait...

Like many forum members, I have been waiting for an upgraded/updated E-M5 III for some time, specially since the E-PL9 and E-M10 III have been dumbed down.

However, I am asking myself more and more if it is really worth waiting? The best we can expect is that Olympus finally puts the 20MP PDAF sensor from the E-M1 II & E-M1X into the M5 III with some additional gimmicks, but nothing earth shattering on the DR front or spectacular AF like the new Sony a6400... ...and that is the best case scenario, considering that Oly's marketing team seems totally out of touch with reality, they might even go for the interior of the PEN F with lousy AF and slow operations... If history is any guidance they will price it above the a6400 and the Fuji X-T30... and then tell everybody that there is no market below the PRO level...

Well, anyway... thought you might want to know that our wait will be over in 4-5 months...

Lars

It's not everyone's reason but, you have an m4/3 sensor against APS-C sensors. I use both and what an m4/3 sensor has to do with an APS-C sensor I have no idea.

I can't get the same crop and details from an APS-C sensor as I can from m4/3, I know I can't. So what's the point or is it just a personal preference you have.

We are all different and you seem to want fast AF. A lot of subjects just don't require that ....... hang on ...... looking at your gallery here at DPR

https://www.dpreview.com/members/1107944606/galleries

I can't really see anything that requires super fast AF Lars. I honestly can't see what you are complaining about or worried about.

All the best Lars.

Danny.

NCV wrote:

TN Args wrote:

NCV wrote:

TN Args wrote:

NCV wrote:

The EM5 fiasco reminds me of Nikon's D300 fiasco where a top selling camera line was not kept up to date.

With a D300 that was falling apart through heavy use, I was tempted over to M43 when Olympus brought out the then revolutionary EM5.

It seems Olympus have badly lost the way with the steady flow of bloatware products at the expense of compact items that make more sense to most users.

If I want big cameras and fast lenses that just fight the DoF advantage of FF, I might as well just buy a Z6/7 or a Sony and be done with it. Those mirror less FF cameras are surprisingly lightweight and compact.

At least the bigger sensor will give me some IQ advantages.

I love M43 for its compact size and low weight, which make it a winner for hiking and travel. Surly the most common usage of cameras.

I see that camera sales are plummeting. I see a lot of heavy discounting; the Panasonic S1 is being offered with a €600 discount already where I live. The bloated EM1X is being heavily discounted too I believe in North America.

The EM5III needs to be something special.

It won't be. So go.

If it is not we can just watch as M43 slowly dies a slow death. Olympus is already at much less than 10 of the ILC market.

OK, say what you mean by "something special".

Something that makes me want to buy the EM5III.

An up to date 24- 30MP sensor might be a good start, to be at least in line with the competition.

OK, then my first comment applies. As I suspected, people think m43 has to equal or beat APSC image quality.

What people have to accept is m43 remaining about 0.7 EV behind APSC, and maybe a few MP behind as well. Then it sells itself on other stuff. Fantastic IS, fantastic lens range at several size and price categories, some increasingly-capable multi-exposure tricks. Meeting true needs instead of fantasy wishlists.

It's about accepting the physical truth of the sensor size, and still wanting it. Not this "surprise me or else" stuff.

If that is not where some buyers are at, then m43 is the wrong system for them. To those people, I say go. Don't hang around trash-talking the format 100 times each year.

Every time...

Anyone asking for a sensor superior to the E-M1.2 or X in a E-M5 is delusional. It'll likely have the penf sensor (maybe with pdaf but not likely as few native lenses need it) but with some of the better features such as AI focus and improved weathersealing. It's meant to be middle class not top end.