Older X-T10 or a newer X-T100? Help decide please

I would recommend X-T100 because X-T10 has issue with the play button.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3989209

MichalM wrote:

Hello, after a long hesitation, I decided to write and ask for advice.

I would like to know your opinions whether to buy an older X-T10 with a classic 18-55mm f2.8-4 lens or a newer X-T100 with XC 15-45 and what will be the difference in quality. I'm not a novice, I sold old photo equipment, but I'm planning a trip around Europe and looking for something to go.

I am especially interested in image quality in jpeg output. I don't want to edit the raw format anymore - it takes time and disk space. I would rather use the kit lens for such a normal photo shoot. I'd like to take Samyang 12mm F2 and also use some older M42 optics. I wonder your opinion about the image output with them. Is there a noticeable difference in old and new sensors? Which one is "more tolerant" to these optics? I also don't and I won't buy a modern computer. My Intel® HD 4000 and i5 core is enough, but I don't think there's going to be a big difference in processing 24mp or 16mp?

In the past, I took photos of documentary, street and reportage. I have never used continual focus, even though I am shooting action shots. I'm shooting with one center af point and I'm not interested in the video. I've always done with an average camera. Olympus 410 with pancake 25mm, Sigma SD15 with Sigma 18-125, some nikons, canons and pentax ... I stayed at home with only fujifilm x10. I think I will use the camera overall to take pictures of static objects. Mainly landscapes and architecture. I don't want to invest much in the camera, I'd rather buy another lens. Your opinion? X-T10 vs X-T100? Does the older M42 with 24mp sensor make sense? Opinion on Samyang with him?

Thank you, Michal

x-t100 every time

Thanks for the knowledge, I myself lean towards x-t100 just because it's just newer. I understand the differences in both the old X-T10 and the newer X-T20 (I clearly read all reviews, opinions and specifications of these models) and the differences in image processing (bayer vs x-trans). I just want to confirm that I'm doing right. For traveling, it is very interesting for me to be able to charge the X-T100 with a USB cable and bluetooth that certainly does not take the much needed energy for a digital nomad. Yes for sharing photos I can use wifi, PC and power converter in my car but why not use bluetooth, phone and power bank.

I looked at examples of photos from older 16mp sensors (eg here on DPReview) and I don't know why but they all seem to me more grim than the newer 24mp X-T100. As if they were (as opposed to 24mp) all shot under the cloud. They simply don't have as much color, contrast, range dynamics, and maybe even sharpness. And as I say it's just a "nice" jpeg output from the camera that interests me.

Thanks also for the opinion on Samyang / Rokinon - I think this is a reasonable choice and sufficient for travel photography. What worries me a bit is the choice of a set lens. I'd like one autofocus lens to have. Probably I will avoid 18-55 in the case of X-T100. I'd have to buy it separately and use it and I'm a little worried about a bad copy. It is clear to me that these will be full of ebay. On 15-45 I like his wide range, but he's bad on his second range. Zoom Motor Movement - I remember it once on an old minolta lens. It will not be a problem to shoot static objects. And there is an XC16-50 with a very reasonable price (eg at auction) ...

Even for M42 adapters. I think "any" on fuji will be better than some for nikon with special "inner lens" for infinity focusing. I probably didn't get lucky for a good piece, but it always reduced my lens quality...

Pixel8888 wrote:

MichalM wrote:

Hello, after a long hesitation, I decided to write and ask for advice.

I would like to know your opinions whether to buy an older X-T10 with a classic 18-55mm f2.8-4 lens or a newer X-T100 with XC 15-45 and what will be the difference in quality. I'm not a novice, I sold old photo equipment, but I'm planning a trip around Europe and looking for something to go.

I am especially interested in image quality in jpeg output. I don't want to edit the raw format anymore - it takes time and disk space. I would rather use the kit lens for such a normal photo shoot. I'd like to take Samyang 12mm F2 and also use some older M42 optics. I wonder your opinion about the image output with them. Is there a noticeable difference in old and new sensors? Which one is "more tolerant" to these optics? I also don't and I won't buy a modern computer. My Intel® HD 4000 and i5 core is enough, but I don't think there's going to be a big difference in processing 24mp or 16mp?

In the past, I took photos of documentary, street and reportage. I have never used continual focus, even though I am shooting action shots. I'm shooting with one center af point and I'm not interested in the video. I've always done with an average camera. Olympus 410 with pancake 25mm, Sigma SD15 with Sigma 18-125, some nikons, canons and pentax ... I stayed at home with only fujifilm x10. I think I will use the camera overall to take pictures of static objects. Mainly landscapes and architecture. I don't want to invest much in the camera, I'd rather buy another lens. Your opinion? X-T10 vs X-T100? Does the older M42 with 24mp sensor make sense? Opinion on Samyang with him?

Thank you, Michal

The XT10 does not have all the jpg film emulations the newer Fuji's have.

I definitely would go with the X-T100. There is also a XC16-50 II kit lens, that's a fine lens. The XC 15-45 should be ok too. In Europe's medieval narrow streets a 15mm lens becomes handy. The free Capture One for Fuji should run fine on an i5 processor. Even if you don't shoots raws.

Here is a comparison X-T100 vs X-T20. The XT10 is a generation older.

https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/fujifilm-vs-fujifilm/xt100-vs-xt20/

24mp is no problem for most older lenses. You only use the cherry center part of the lens anyway. It is a lot of fun shooting older lenses.

And one point the Fuj's have the option of in body raw conversion. You can always produce a Velvia or Classic Chrome or whatever you like jpg in camera later, when you made the shot in raw, something to consider.

You can also bracket your favorite film simulations in camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsILbhio4Rw

... or you buy an now old XT20, as the XT30 is out now. The XT20's should drop in price.

Thanks for the link to the nice review "Fujifilm X-T100 vs X-T20 - The complete comparison"

MichalM wrote:

Pixel8888 wrote:

MichalM wrote:

Hello, after a long hesitation, I decided to write and ask for advice.

I would like to know your opinions whether to buy an older X-T10 with a classic 18-55mm f2.8-4 lens or a newer X-T100 with XC 15-45 and what will be the difference in quality. I'm not a novice, I sold old photo equipment, but I'm planning a trip around Europe and looking for something to go.

I am especially interested in image quality in jpeg output. I don't want to edit the raw format anymore - it takes time and disk space. I would rather use the kit lens for such a normal photo shoot. I'd like to take Samyang 12mm F2 and also use some older M42 optics. I wonder your opinion about the image output with them. Is there a noticeable difference in old and new sensors? Which one is "more tolerant" to these optics? I also don't and I won't buy a modern computer. My Intel® HD 4000 and i5 core is enough, but I don't think there's going to be a big difference in processing 24mp or 16mp?

In the past, I took photos of documentary, street and reportage. I have never used continual focus, even though I am shooting action shots. I'm shooting with one center af point and I'm not interested in the video. I've always done with an average camera. Olympus 410 with pancake 25mm, Sigma SD15 with Sigma 18-125, some nikons, canons and pentax ... I stayed at home with only fujifilm x10. I think I will use the camera overall to take pictures of static objects. Mainly landscapes and architecture. I don't want to invest much in the camera, I'd rather buy another lens. Your opinion? X-T10 vs X-T100? Does the older M42 with 24mp sensor make sense? Opinion on Samyang with him?

Thank you, Michal

The XT10 does not have all the jpg film emulations the newer Fuji's have.

I definitely would go with the X-T100. There is also a XC16-50 II kit lens, that's a fine lens. The XC 15-45 should be ok too. In Europe's medieval narrow streets a 15mm lens becomes handy. The free Capture One for Fuji should run fine on an i5 processor. Even if you don't shoots raws.

Here is a comparison X-T100 vs X-T20. The XT10 is a generation older.

https://mirrorlesscomparison.com/fujifilm-vs-fujifilm/xt100-vs-xt20/

24mp is no problem for most older lenses. You only use the cherry center part of the lens anyway. It is a lot of fun shooting older lenses.

And one point the Fuj's have the option of in body raw conversion. You can always produce a Velvia or Classic Chrome or whatever you like jpg in camera later, when you made the shot in raw, something to consider.

You can also bracket your favorite film simulations in camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsILbhio4Rw

... or you buy an now old XT20, as the XT30 is out now. The XT20's should drop in price.

Thanks for the link to the nice review "Fujifilm X-T100 vs X-T20 - The complete comparison"

It is a decent review but I did quiz Matthieu on his c-af tests as they did not "mirror" my results, pardon the pun, also as he doesn't provide higher res images so its difficult to see exactly some of the specifics he comments on.  One thing that is very hard to understand is the way the x-t100 meters compared to xtrans bodies, the whole evf/metering and the ability to control exposure with the top ev dial is a dream come true for jpg shooters imo, it always feels far more hit and miss on xtrans bodies, go figure! Also make sure the performance mode, battery setting, is on, then the camera is very responsive all round.

I think it's decided to buy the X-T100 probably with the XC 15-45 kit lens. In bayer vs x-trans I don't see any advantage or disadvantage for me. I know that X-trans is good at high iso, but I'm not going to shoot too much in poor lighting, and if I think I'll remember it, shoot RAW and later edit it in some decent editor. Apparently, the new 24mp is clearly better, even with the bayer filter. Of course, after some test photos, I may adjust some of the camera settings, but I think that in case of decent exposure bracketing for some images on a tripod, it will be possible to get the most out of this sensor. (with not much effort ...)

And out of nostalgia, I remembered that I once owned FinePix S2 Pro. I always liked technology like foveon on sigma or super CCD on this fuji.

It is really the XC15-45 lens so bad at its higher focal lengths of 30mm+ ?

MichalM wrote:

I think it's decided to buy the X-T100 probably with the XC 15-45 kit lens. In bayer vs x-trans I don't see any advantage or disadvantage for me. I know that X-trans is good at high iso, but I'm not going to shoot too much in poor lighting, and if I think I'll remember it, shoot RAW and later edit it in some decent editor. Apparently, the new 24mp is clearly better, even with the bayer filter. Of course, after some test photos, I may adjust some of the camera settings, but I think that in case of decent exposure bracketing for some images on a tripod, it will be possible to get the most out of this sensor. (with not much effort ...)

And out of nostalgia, I remembered that I once owned FinePix S2 Pro. I always liked technology like foveon on sigma or super CCD on this fuji.

It is really the XC15-45 lens so bad at its higher focal lengths of 30mm+ ?

No, lens is great at all lengths, it is a bit soft in corners and needs stopping down a touch, I will be very surprised if you are not totally satisfied with this combo, it is a great tool offering tons of variety😀

Threaded wrote:

If it has to be between these two, I would go with the XT100 because the XT10 has some issues, as an older camera its AF will be slower, and it suffers from a common problem with X-Trans II cameras of having over aggressive JPEG noise reduction on skintones at ISOs over 1600, and you did say JPEGs were important to you. The play button fault is also well known.

That said, personally I don't like the XT100 either - I'd save and look elsewhere in the current range. XT20s will be getting more affordable now. The XT100 although "newer" was built down to a price and has a sub-par processor inside, and while there are those (here) that like to vehemently disagree whenever this is mentioned, the overwhelming view of reviewers is that it doesn't perform well. They might all be wrong of course, but they probably aren't.

The X-T100 is not the fastest thing on earth but the reviewers are constantly dropping down from high end kit and are always going to find a camera like the X-T100 frustrating which is priced down on reduced processing clout with no compromise on image quality.

In the current trend a processor that was fine 2 years ago will be sub-par now so you can chase the curve but will never catch up with it as in 2 years time it is all sub par again.

I had an X-T10 and certainly would not swap my X-T100 for one. I also have a X-A3 which works OK and considering some reviews think the improved X-A5 is almost unusable I take these reviews with a pinch of salt. Not having to buy the camera themselves takes a big lump out of the equation. Nikon Zee not Zed mirrorless at £2,000 entry level. No problem.

The X-T100 was not built down to a price but built at a price. It works fine for what it is but the modern constant kit comparison fever always muddies the water on the particular merits of any kit in its own right. A lower cost camera being 'crippled' is also a popular term in the assessment of affordable stuff.