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The bastardized Realist. The Olden Special.

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Gerry Siegel
Gerry Siegel Veteran Member • Posts: 3,244
The bastardized Realist. The Olden Special.

I happened to get one ca 1965-67 that turned out pretty good indeed, after a little adjustment of the back plate that moves the film plane to focus...an interesting quality of the Realist design at large.... this guy had good quality four element lenses of F 2.8 ( source uncertain). Last model pushed out the door with parts from the Realist Custom  higher price model. And lot was sold to the NY retailer Olden. Some were great, others less great in assembly....

I used mine a lot over two decades and realists beat my older F 3.5

For general interest re film era stereoscopic hardware...aloha.

Seemed like a hard to refuse price back then, even as a dollar was more than a dollar so to speak..

Olden Special. Signified by the large rewind knob and cutout in top plate. This one has no lens cover at time. and the trusty red button viewer. Sunshades and filter holder for filter users ( not me)

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JR Schlauch New Member • Posts: 21
Re: The bastardized Realist. The Olden Special.

Do you still shoot film stereo?  Seems like a dying art.  Just had my RBT X-4 overhauled in Germany.

I also agree  with your earlier post  about stereo being the best way to memorialize people.  Saw a stereo photo from 1952 of my grandmother and I in her kitchen.

There will never be anything better than that.  Richard Schlauch (verascope@aol.com)

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Gerry Siegel
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No J.R.  But who knows.  to say  Never Will is a long time.  I have been working on a digital rig...but so many home projects keep me sluggish on my first love, which is stereoscopy. If someone would again make a Stereo TV I would be reborn I think.

Aloha, GS

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threed123
threed123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,490
Re: The bastardized Realist. The Olden Special.

JR Schlauch wrote:

Do you still shoot film stereo? Seems like a dying art. Just had my RBT X-4 overhauled in Germany.

I also agree with your earlier post about stereo being the best way to memorialize people. Saw a stereo photo from 1952 of my grandmother and I in her kitchen.

There will never be anything better than that. Richard Schlauch (verascope@aol.com)

For those who were not able to buy a Fuji W3 or Panasonic 3D1, the Realist makes perfect sense now that there are several labs who will develop slides again. I have a Realist 2.8 with German lenses and home-made wide angle lenses that slip on.

Buy some slide film readily available today on the Internet, have it developed, then copy it with a good slide copier and use StereoPhotoMaker software to create great digital 3D mpo files, etc.

I even rigged an auto-flash for it, since the Realist does have flash sync in the flash holder.

Robert Tolputt Regular Member • Posts: 322
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My Realist is the most awkward camera I have ever used - I can never get used to looking through the viewfinder at the bottom of the camera. The wide lens separation does give excellent depth. Just a pity that slide film is now so expensive.

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threed123
threed123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,490
Re: The bastardized Realist. The Olden Special.

Robert Tolputt wrote:

My Realist is the most awkward camera I have ever used - I can never get used to looking through the viewfinder at the bottom of the camera. The wide lens separation does give excellent depth. Just a pity that slide film is now so expensive.

Yes, it is awkward, but after a couple of shots I get used to it. Plus you can set focus for as close and as far as you want without looking through the viewfinder.

That said you can find Ektachrome e100 for around $13 and processing around $15 for digital upload. Yes, that's over a $1 a 3D slide, but then again, if you don't have a another 3D digital camera, it's still a great option.

KudzuLite New Member • Posts: 13
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Hello. I'm been lurking here for a while. Just wanted to say that as a photographer and photo educator I've been interested in 3D for many years and only been able to really dig in recently because of 2 thing: first is the availability of decent viewers for prints "as big as a barn" for very reasonable prices - even Amazon sells it. The second was the way Sony digital cameras can easily be synched using a simple cable. So I have assembled a few pairs of Sony mirrorless cameras and lenses and results have far exceeded results I've gotten from stereo film cameras.

There are huge advantages in using 2 synched digital cameras. It should definitely appeal to DIY who are serious about making images.

Sam

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Gerry Siegel
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Robert Tolputt wrote:

My Realist is the most awkward camera I have ever used - I can never get used to looking through the viewfinder at the bottom of the camera. The wide lens separation does give excellent depth. Just a pity that slide film is now so expensive.

I used the F 3.5 Realist for years. And later on I bought the Olden Special. True, it was a sweep up the factory model. Yet, it had pretty good lenses of four elements which I appreciated and could tell the difference. The optical finder was dinky by any standards, since it used a mirror array to get the finder into the cyclopean center in between lenses. I found bracing against head to be comfortable and good to steady the beast...I did.

Going back to film just to shoot stereo is a non starter. I got hold of the Fuji W 3 but have not used it much. Why I have no reasonable way to watch the digital pairs. No current model TV available at any price...notwithstanding there are enthusiasts. Not enough it seems. Maybe next year, fingers crossed. Not interested in messing with projection systems, bah humbug. Just when passive polaroid OLED was getting it right, poof the market decided to shift away....I think some folks just do not have the gift to see in depth very well. Would take a study. Or, the hatred of wearing glasses is too gauche...who knows.

Digitizing to print parallel pair (crossed is abhorrent) on line is only a simulacrum of the beauty of viewing compared to the Realist and Wollensak viewer. Which served me well enough when I shot film...

As to movies in 3-D, ( they solved that technology). here on Oahu there are fewer and fewer showings or even No Showings in 3-D of a film released in that format...

Sounds like we stereoscopists have once more become a breed apart. Does not bother me.

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threed123
threed123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,490
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Gerry, Don't poopoo the 3D projectors. They still exist and are getting really cheap.  With a little effort, you can paint a wall with Behr PureWhite paint and get to 3D heaven projecting on it. You will need a reasonable DVD/bluray player that does 3D (think Sony) and you just plug in a thumb drive and you can show your W3 mpos in all their glory. The projector setup is easy, on a table in front of you. Total cost these days can be less then $500 for projector and player. It beats not having the capability. I have software to make bluray video of stills at HD quality and it's to die for. Just sayin'.

Robert Tolputt Regular Member • Posts: 322
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You can easily watch the .mpo files from the Fuji W3 on a 3D tv. My projector also allows viewing through the Kodi app also.

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McPhoto Junior Member • Posts: 43
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I would recommend a phone with 3D display. These are glasses free using same or similar technology to the W3 display. Depending on the software used mpo files can be viewed directly.

Options include

Current production

Rokit io 3D (Android 8.1)

Rokit io PRO 3D (Android 8.1)

Elephone P11 3D

Old production but still available if you look around

PPTV King 7S 3D (there is a 7 and 7S only the S has 3D display) - largest display of these phones and highest resolution (QHD) - my preference (Android Lollipop)

ZTE V5 K3DX (Android Lollipop?)

There are some others but all of the above can be found at this moment in time for purchase.  The Rokit phones are sold by Walmart online at list price.  You can find them for lower price if you search.

I have the Rokit io PRO 3D, PPTV King 7S and the ZTE V5 K3DX V5G and would recommend any of them.  One of the apps I use (TriDef Gallery) doesn't work quite right on my ZTE or Rokit but works perfectly on the King.  Some owners report they can view 3D video from YouTube in glasses free 3D on the ZTE V5.  I have not been able to make this work for me - BUT the Rokit io PRO 3D (and maybe the non-pro version) does indeed work with YouTube 3D video for me.

Gerry Siegel
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Re: The bastardized Realist. The Olden Special.

A 3-D projector does not fit my home space. At least not enough to dedicate the space and to paint a wall or set up a really good and not inexpensive screen. We have no basements here. And frankly I love stereo but not enough to want to collect a lot of movies which are getting scarcer on the market. Actually I want this: To find a group that has a set up and would allow patrons to watch a series of 3-D Blu Rays for a fee or membership. I would enjoy Kiss Me Kate, but I do not need to own it.

The 3-D TV was reaching a good point with even passive display. So i have read.  My neest DVD player can handle all formats of stereo, a high end Sony with foresight I thought...then poof gone. LG, Sony, Samsung, they all gave it up even though it costs little to provide same... Now even new films are rarer release in stereo here or for a brief period. Something more global is happening and I guess we are the breed apart which I am kind used to...You shoot stereo?   Is that camera ( the Realist) made in Germany says a Japanese in Yokohama.

But I have had fun. And still have a lot of good viewers. Digital on line photos are a bare shell of a good chrome in a good achromat viewer. Sole viewing you say? Well, reality is for the sole eyeballs I reply..

Yours in depth, Gerry with a G

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threed123
threed123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,490
Re: The bastardized Realist. The Olden Special.

Gerry Siegel wrote:

A 3-D projector does not fit my home space. At least not enough to dedicate the space and to paint a wall or set up a really good and not inexpensive screen. We have no basements here. And frankly I love stereo but not enough to want to collect a lot of movies which are getting scarcer on the market. Actually I want this: To find a group that has a set up and would allow patrons to watch a series of 3-D Blu Rays for a fee or membership. I would enjoy Kiss Me Kate, but I do not need to own it.

The 3-D TV was reaching a good point with even passive display. So i have read. My neest DVD player can handle all formats of stereo, a high end Sony with foresight I thought...then poof gone. LG, Sony, Samsung, they all gave it up even though it costs little to provide same... Now even new films are rarer release in stereo here or for a brief period. Something more global is happening and I guess we are the breed apart which I am kind used to...You shoot stereo? Is that camera ( the Realist) made in Germany says a Japanese in Yokohama.

But I have had fun. And still have a lot of good viewers. Digital on line photos are a bare shell of a good chrome in a good achromat viewer. Sole viewing you say? Well, reality is for the sole eyeballs I reply..

Yours in depth, Gerry with a G

There are 3D head sets you can use to watch 3D as a monitor for your computer or bluray player. You can also rent 3D movies from https://www.store-3d-blurayrental.com/Default.asp  They also have hard to find titles like Kiss Me Kate.

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3-D head sets?

threed123 wrote:

Gerry Siegel wrote:

A 3-D projector does not fit my home space. At least not enough to dedicate the space and to paint a wall or set up a really good and not inexpensive screen. We have no basements here. And frankly I love stereo but not enough to want to collect a lot of movies which are getting scarcer on the market. Actually I want this: To find a group that has a set up and would allow patrons to watch a series of 3-D Blu Rays for a fee or membership. I would enjoy Kiss Me Kate, but I do not need to own it.

The 3-D TV was reaching a good point with even passive display. So i have read. My neest DVD player can handle all formats of stereo, a high end Sony with foresight I thought...then poof gone. LG, Sony, Samsung, they all gave it up even though it costs little to provide same... Now even new films are rarer release in stereo here or for a brief period. Something more global is happening and I guess we are the breed apart which I am kind used to...You shoot stereo? Is that camera ( the Realist) made in Germany says a Japanese in Yokohama.

But I have had fun. And still have a lot of good viewers. Digital on line photos are a bare shell of a good chrome in a good achromat viewer. Sole viewing you say? Well, reality is for the sole eyeballs I reply..

Yours in depth, Gerry with a G

There are 3D head sets you can use to watch 3D as a monitor for your computer or bluray player. You can also rent 3D movies from https://www.store-3d-blurayrental.com/Default.asp They also have hard to find titles like Kiss Me Kate.

This is news to me. Got a link? Any experience with same? Rental idea is interesting, thanks. I have not seen House of Wax since its first release. I am that aged. But still perky

PS. If anyone in Honolulu has a set up and some titles, I would bring popcorn, beer and pupus...Just message me. I would need appropriate glasses, of the right kind. I miss some of the old issues, I recall Inferno was one of the well done ones. Some, actually most, IMHO, were meh exploitation of the effects, of course. Would like to see also Hitchcock take on process, Dial M for Murder, never seen in depth. Nor HONDO if that has come out yet.

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threed123
threed123 Senior Member • Posts: 1,490
Re: 3-D head sets?

Gerry Siegel wrote:

threed123 wrote:

Gerry Siegel wrote:

A 3-D projector does not fit my home space. At least not enough to dedicate the space and to paint a wall or set up a really good and not inexpensive screen. We have no basements here. And frankly I love stereo but not enough to want to collect a lot of movies which are getting scarcer on the market. Actually I want this: To find a group that has a set up and would allow patrons to watch a series of 3-D Blu Rays for a fee or membership. I would enjoy Kiss Me Kate, but I do not need to own it.

The 3-D TV was reaching a good point with even passive display. So i have read. My neest DVD player can handle all formats of stereo, a high end Sony with foresight I thought...then poof gone. LG, Sony, Samsung, they all gave it up even though it costs little to provide same... Now even new films are rarer release in stereo here or for a brief period. Something more global is happening and I guess we are the breed apart which I am kind used to...You shoot stereo? Is that camera ( the Realist) made in Germany says a Japanese in Yokohama.

But I have had fun. And still have a lot of good viewers. Digital on line photos are a bare shell of a good chrome in a good achromat viewer. Sole viewing you say? Well, reality is for the sole eyeballs I reply..

Yours in depth, Gerry with a G

There are 3D head sets you can use to watch 3D as a monitor for your computer or bluray player. You can also rent 3D movies from https://www.store-3d-blurayrental.com/Default.asp They also have hard to find titles like Kiss Me Kate.

This is news to me. Got a link? Any experience with same? Rental idea is interesting, thanks. I have not seen House of Wax since its first release. I am that aged. But still perky

PS. If anyone in Honolulu has a set up and some titles, I would bring popcorn, beer and pupus...Just message me. I would need appropriate glasses, of the right kind. I miss some of the old issues, I recall Inferno was one of the well done ones. Some, actually most, IMHO, were meh exploitation of the effects, of course. Would like to see also Hitchcock take on process, Dial M for Murder, never seen in depth. Nor HONDO if that has come out yet.

Search for HMD headsets. There are the Oculus Rift and Quest and others, but they do force you to load some software into a computer, etc. But here is one that I have my eye on. It's almost done with development and resolution looks great and would work as a monitor for 3D, but you would have to have a player, of course: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/luci-immers-most-lightweight-immersive-hmd#/

And no, I don't have experience with these, but I've read what others have done and these HMDs do have promise for personal 3D anyway, in lieu of a projector.

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