Fuji 16mm 2.8 vs 18-55mm 2.8 at its widest

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chrizzy New Member • Posts: 15
Fuji 16mm 2.8 vs 18-55mm 2.8 at its widest

Hi ALL,

So i currently do travel photography and a bit of portraits while at it. I currently have the

xt3 & 35mm f2

I was thinking of adding the 18-55 to join my kit, but i just heard aout the 16mm 2.8 which is small and light. They are about thesame price considering the 16mm 2.8 brand new and the 18-55mm second hand. Are both thesame image quality when shot at 16 and 18 ? which would you recommend

Thanks

jgbbxl Forum Member • Posts: 58
Re: Fuji 16mm 2.8 vs 18-55mm 2.8 at its widest

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

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Snap Happy Contributing Member • Posts: 967
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jgbbxl wrote:

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

Where are you seeing those reports on the 16? Could you provide links please?

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jgbbxl Forum Member • Posts: 58
Re: Fuji 16mm 2.8 vs 18-55mm 2.8 at its widest

Snap Happy wrote:

jgbbxl wrote:

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

Where are you seeing those reports on the 16? Could you provide links please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxdXtFd4kpo

This and the dpreview sample gallery.

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Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 6,543
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chrizzy wrote:

Hi ALL,

So i currently do travel photography and a bit of portraits while at it. I currently have the

xt3 & 35mm f2

I was thinking of adding the 18-55 to join my kit, but i just heard aout the 16mm 2.8 which is small and light. They are about thesame price considering the 16mm 2.8 brand new and the 18-55mm second hand. Are both thesame image quality when shot at 16 and 18 ? which would you recommend

Thanks

The very first 16/2.8 primes are only now getting into owners hands.  It's too early to say how the 16/2.8 performs.  You'll have to wait a bit for the reviews and lab site tests.

The 18-55 is generally well regarded, though not everyone agrees - there seems to be some variability from sample to sample.  Mine is very usable.  It's not outstanding wide open and it's bettered by my primes at wide apertures.  It's very good indeed well stopped down (f5.6-11) and difficult to tell apart from the primes at those apertures.  (And it's better than my 18mm when stopped down.)

I don't think the two lenses are alternatives.  They're more complementary.  The 16mm is noticeably wider than 18mm, and of course it has zero performance at any other FL.  The zoom also offers OIS.  Very few Fuji primes offer OIS  - at the present time, it's only the 80mm and 200/2 that do.  Another WA lens that complements the 18-55 very well is the 14mm., which is also an excellent lens and perhaps a better step wider if you are going to get the zoom anyway..

Regards, Rod

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biza43 Veteran Member • Posts: 9,520
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The zoom offers more flexibility, which can come in handy while travelling. But that depends on what you shoot and how you shoot.

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Snap Happy Contributing Member • Posts: 967
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jgbbxl wrote:

Snap Happy wrote:

jgbbxl wrote:

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

Where are you seeing those reports on the 16? Could you provide links please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxdXtFd4kpo

This and the dpreview sample gallery.

Just to add a bit of context/balance - doesn't that same review also say 'performs better than anything Nikon or Canon has at 16mm'?

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ViMa
ViMa Senior Member • Posts: 1,349
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chrizzy wrote:

Hi ALL,

So i currently do travel photography and a bit of portraits while at it. I currently have the

xt3 & 35mm f2

I was thinking of adding the 18-55 to join my kit, but i just heard aout the 16mm 2.8 which is small and light. They are about thesame price considering the 16mm 2.8 brand new and the 18-55mm second hand. Are both thesame image quality when shot at 16 and 18 ? which would you recommend

Thanks

I just got my 16mm f2.8. I'm no pixelpeeper nor am I a pro. I am very pleased with it, at least for now. It feels to me like an excellent companion to the 35mm f2, which I also own. I think that with those two lenses, you'd have a better kit than if you added the 18-55 to your 35mm f2, but that is just me.

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ViMa
ViMa Senior Member • Posts: 1,349
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jgbbxl wrote:

Snap Happy wrote:

jgbbxl wrote:

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

Where are you seeing those reports on the 16? Could you provide links please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxdXtFd4kpo

This and the dpreview sample gallery.

As I've said above, I don't feel like I'm the right person to make any judgements on the optical quality of a lens, but for now, the 16mm f2.8 seems to me to be very similar to the 35mm f2. If OP is pleased with that lens, as I am, I don't see why he'd have trouble with the 16mm f2.8.

Generally, without having seen the above review, I tend to not particularly trust what he says. I'd think it's too early for proper reviews of the lens anyway. It just arrived yesterday.

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technotic Regular Member • Posts: 427
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chrizzy wrote:

Hi ALL,

So i currently do travel photography and a bit of portraits while at it. I currently have the

xt3 & 35mm f2

I was thinking of adding the 18-55 to join my kit, but i just heard aout the 16mm 2.8 which is small and light. They are about thesame price considering the 16mm 2.8 brand new and the 18-55mm second hand. Are both thesame image quality when shot at 16 and 18 ? which would you recommend

Thanks

For me it would be the 18-55. I had just the 18-55 and 35 F/1.4 for quite a while and they complement each other well especially for travel.

jgbbxl Forum Member • Posts: 58
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technotic wrote:

chrizzy wrote:

Hi ALL,

So i currently do travel photography and a bit of portraits while at it. I currently have the

xt3 & 35mm f2

I was thinking of adding the 18-55 to join my kit, but i just heard aout the 16mm 2.8 which is small and light. They are about thesame price considering the 16mm 2.8 brand new and the 18-55mm second hand. Are both thesame image quality when shot at 16 and 18 ? which would you recommend

Thanks

For me it would be the 18-55. I had just the 18-55 and 35 F/1.4 for quite a while and they complement each other well especially for travel.

I've got the exact same duo, the 18-55mm and 35mm f1.4.

The zoom satisfies me in almost every situation EXCEPT when I need either stellar bokeh and/or low light capabilities, which the 35mm f1.4 offers in spades. Usually i'll be out with the zoom during the day and the 35mm at night.

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Geekapoo
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I own the 18-55, 16 f1.4 and the 35 f1.4. If I could own only two and I owned the newer 16mm instead of the 16mm f1.4, I'd be letting it go (sell the 16mm f2.8) and have only the 18-55 and the 35mm f1.4. Easy decision.

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Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 6,543
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jgbbxl wrote:

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

What he actually said is that it's soft specifically at f2.8 at MFD.  He doesn't make the comment that it's generally soft at f2.8.  He likened it to the 23/2 at MFD.  If it's anything like that lens at normal distances it should be quite sharp.

There's certainly some lateral color fringing in his images where elements have high contrast edges like white figures on his black XT3 at f2.8.  And on tree branches against a bright sky.  However, don't lose sight of the fact that many other good lenses will do that too - eg you'll see some purple fringing from the 16/1.4 if you point it straight up at tree branches silhoutted against a bright white sky.  But who takes pictures like that?  Unless they're incidental OOF background elements to some more important subject?

People shouldn't expect the lens to be fully sharp across the frame at f2.8 - there's not one lens in the entire Fuji range that's not sharper two or three stops down than it is wide open.  And his images from middle apertures (f5.6-8) look fine.

Regards, Rod

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MCMLXXIII AD
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Highly recommend the small 16mm f2.8, Not sure why someone wouldn't call it sharp enough - https://flic.kr/s/aHsmaUrWTM

But then if you want the convenience of the zoom..

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maltmoose Senior Member • Posts: 1,279
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Rod McD wrote:

jgbbxl wrote:

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

What he actually said is that it's soft specifically at f2.8 at MFD. He doesn't make the comment that it's generally soft at f2.8. He likened it to the 23/2 at MFD. If it's anything like that lens at normal distances it should be quite sharp.

There's certainly some lateral color fringing in his images where elements have high contrast edges like white figures on his black XT3 at f2.8. And on tree branches against a bright sky. However, don't lose sight of the fact that many other good lenses will do that too - eg you'll see some purple fringing from the 16/1.4 if you point it straight up at tree branches silhoutted against a bright white sky. But who takes pictures like that? Unless they're incidental OOF background elements to some more important subject?

People shouldn't expect the lens to be fully sharp across the frame at f2.8 - there's not one lens in the entire Fuji range that's not sharper two or three stops down than it is wide open. And his images from middle apertures (f5.6-8) look fine.

Regards, Rod

The 35f2 is also a little soft at minimum focus distance but is a good lens.

What im really interested in seeing is a comparison between this 16 f2.8 and the 15-45 kit lens at 16mm. The kit lens is surprisingly good at the wide end and sharp at MFD with good OIS.

Clive99 Regular Member • Posts: 449
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Rod McD wrote:

jgbbxl wrote:

From the reports so far it turns out the 16mm f2.8 is soft at f2.8 and has quite high levels of CA. Neither of this is an issue with the 18-55mm. I've got the 18-55mm myself (in an X-T3 kit) and I'm very happy with it.

What he actually said is that it's soft specifically at f2.8 at MFD. He doesn't make the comment that it's generally soft at f2.8. He likened it to the 23/2 at MFD. If it's anything like that lens at normal distances it should be quite sharp.

There's certainly some lateral color fringing in his images where elements have high contrast edges like white figures on his black XT3 at f2.8. And on tree branches against a bright sky. However, don't lose sight of the fact that many other good lenses will do that too - eg you'll see some purple fringing from the 16/1.4 if you point it straight up at tree branches silhoutted against a bright white sky. But who takes pictures like that? Unless they're incidental OOF background elements to some more important subject?

People shouldn't expect the lens to be fully sharp across the frame at f2.8 - there's not one lens in the entire Fuji range that's not sharper two or three stops down than it is wide open. And his images from middle apertures (f5.6-8) look fine.

Regards, Rod

Just read a review comparing XF16F2.8 to XF16F1.4 and XF16-55F2.8. According to his test samples the new XF 16F2.8 looks sharper at the edges. It looks pretty impressive to me. MFD has increased slightly, so I wouldn't be surprised if sharpness at MFD isn't as good, as it appears to be a design tradeoff.

https://ivanjoshualoh.com/2019/03/21/sibling-rivalry-xf16mm-f2-8-wr-vs-xf16mm-f1-4/

I pre-ordered one hoping it gets here today.

Clive

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Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 6,543
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Hi,

Thanks for the link and the images.  These look very good to me.  The detail in some of the buildings is excellent, especially for wide open - see the brickwork in the image of the RCPCH building. They're as good as I'd expect from my 16/1.4 at f2.8.   And though there are some lateral CAs in areas of very high contrast I don't think they're awful.

Can I ask if these are SOOC or if you did  corrections to CAs, vignetting, distortion, etc in PP?

Thanks, Rod

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locke_fc Senior Member • Posts: 1,107
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For travel photography the 18-55 is a no brainer, unless you're a prime-only guy, which you don't seem to be.

My 18-55 is not that sharp at 18, but on the whole it's a great travel lens.

For what it's worth, I'd much sooner pick up the 16mm 1.4 than the new 16mm. It's simply a wonderful lens, and much more versatile (max aperture, closest focusing distance) than the new 16.

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Patchy Forum Member • Posts: 97
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I would go for the 16mm 2.8 If you do portrait you should consider to add the 60 mm 2.8 also. That would be my 3 lens light travel setup.

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Hi Rod, thanks for your message.

I took these images as SOOC jpeg with Astia NR -4, highlights -2, shadows -1 sharpness +2. I find these settings produce images I like. After that I also ran these through Lightroom, vsco - Astia I think (will have to check).

I did not correct anything myself.

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