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TexasSnapper New Member • Posts: 2
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I have a 2 week Europe trip planned for the summer. This will be a typical tourist trip, but once in a lifetime  for us. I typically don’t shoot much wide, but there will be more opportunities on this trip. I have the following and drive a lot for work so I always have most of these in the car. Definitely want to keep it light for the trip.  Need 2 light kits from this . Wife not quite as serious as me about photography.

Oly12mm 2.0

Oly17mm 1.8

Oly 25mm 1.8

Oly 45mm 1.8

Oly 75mm 1.8

Pana 25mm 1.4

Oly 12-40 Pro 2.8

Pana 35-100 2.8

Oly 75-300 I

14-150 II

EM10 II, EM5 II, Pen F , EP5, EPL6

I have been looking at a Oly 12-100 f4, but have not pulled the trigger.

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Skeeterbytes Forum Pro • Posts: 23,184
Re: Travel
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TexasSnapper wrote:

I have a 2 week Europe trip planned for the summer. This will be a typical tourist trip, but once in a lifetime for us. I typically don’t shoot much wide, but there will be more opportunities on this trip. I have the following and drive a lot for work so I always have most of these in the car. Definitely want to keep it light for the trip. Need 2 light kits from this . Wife not quite as serious as me about photography.

Oly12mm 2.0

Oly17mm 1.8

Oly 25mm 1.8

Oly 45mm 1.8

Oly 75mm 1.8

Pana 25mm 1.4

Oly 12-40 Pro 2.8

Pana 35-100 2.8

Oly 75-300 I

14-150 II

EM10 II, EM5 II, Pen F , EP5, EPL6

I have been looking at a Oly 12-100 f4, but have not pulled the trigger.

For cameras I'd pick Pen F and E-M5ii.

Before picking lenses, how much lens-changing you prepared to make? Zooms are the default choice unless you have a system that accommodates lens swapping on the go.

Not knowing your preferences, I'd personally go with the 12-40+75 with the Pen F and the 12-100 you're pondering with the E-M5ii. Two very versatile setups with minimum fuss so you can enjoy yourselves. They also take the same battery. You may also benefit from toting a flash, depending on where you're headed.

good luck!

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Okapi001 Veteran Member • Posts: 5,145
Re: Travel

TexasSnapper wrote:

I would take these:

Pana 25mm 1.4

Oly 12-40 Pro 2.8

Pana 35-100 2.8

Oly 75-300 I

EM5 II, Pen F

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Mike Gunter
Mike Gunter Regular Member • Posts: 392
Re: Travel

Hi,
You might provide a few more details about the trip - family size, such as traveling with small children, where you are going, and as mentioned, how much you mind changing lenses. How many people will be using the kit and such.
I would suggest one camera and two zoom lenses, the wide to mid-tele, and the mid-tele to tele.  Unless you're planning to sell your work, I don't think you would be disappointed.

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Mark Kaprielian
Mark Kaprielian Regular Member • Posts: 400
Re: Travel
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My personal philosophy for vacations is that if I need to zoom in that much was I really there? I could just buy a postcard. I usually only take one of my lenses for vacation. My choice from your lenses would be:

  • Oly 12-40 Pro

No changing of lenses, have reasonable low light for indoor and night, a little bit of zoom for framing. For wide shots I take overlapping images and make a pano in post.

My second or alternate choice, and for you, especially If you are nervous still about wanting more reach take something like the:

  • 14 - 150 II
    • The key is to have 12 mm or 14 at the low end and what ever the long end is so be it.

When I first got my first MFT camera I didn't have enough time to get another lens and shot my entire vacation to Spain with the 14 - 42 mm F 3.5 - 5.6 Pany kit lens. Sure some additional zoom for details on the architecture high above me would have been nice but since it was outdoors there was enough light for a clean image and I was able to crop in post and have a nice close ups. Inside churches came out great even cropping the vaulted ceiling shots high above. I was very happy with the entire set of images for the vacation, no regrets.

I take the images for the memories and not so much for art. If you are more interested in the art or trying to get the postcard quality shot, take two primes, one wide, one long

Mark

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riderfanreturns Contributing Member • Posts: 964
Re: Travel

TexasSnapper wrote:

I have a 2 week Europe trip planned for the summer. This will be a typical tourist trip, but once in a lifetime for us. I typically don’t shoot much wide, but there will be more opportunities on this trip. I have the following and drive a lot for work so I always have most of these in the car. Definitely want to keep it light for the trip. Need 2 light kits from this . Wife not quite as serious as me about photography.

Oly12mm 2.0

Oly17mm 1.8

Oly 25mm 1.8

Oly 45mm 1.8

Oly 75mm 1.8

Pana 25mm 1.4

Oly 12-40 Pro 2.8

Pana 35-100 2.8

Oly 75-300 I

14-150 II

EM10 II, EM5 II, Pen F , EP5, EPL6

I have been looking at a Oly 12-100 f4, but have not pulled the trigger.

I would probably settle on the following:

Pen F  + 14-150 and 17

E-M5 II + 12-40 and 35-100

If you thing you are both going to want a fast prime at the same time (evening walks?) then add the 25 as well (didn't pick the 12 because you said you don't tend to shot wide).

If you do splurge on the 12-100 it should replace the 14-150 and you might want to swap bodies to get the Sync IS (or does the Pen F support that?).

As others have said the "correct" answer depends on things only you can decide such as:

-how much weight are you okay with carrying

-what size camera bag(s) you will be using

-how willing are you to swap lenses

-etc.

Good luck with your decision and enjoy your trip!

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addlightness Veteran Member • Posts: 3,641
Re: Travel

EM5.ii + 14-150 for a complete outdoor walk-about WR setup.

PEN-F + 12/2.0 + 25/1.8 + 45/1.8 for a light-weight, indoor, low-light setup.

The two bodies and 5 lenses should be able to fit into medium-size bag.

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nevada5
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So ---- you want to know what lens you'll need to photograph Europe.

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Shugpug Junior Member • Posts: 42
Re: Travel

TexasSnapper wrote:

I have a 2 week Europe trip planned for the summer.

Nature, cities or both..? How are you travelling (camper van, hire car or public transport?)

One other thing to consider is to make sure you have a means to download and backup your photos! Don't lose your one in a life time shots!

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Guy Parsons
Guy Parsons Forum Pro • Posts: 40,000
Re: Travel

TexasSnapper wrote:

I have a 2 week Europe trip planned for the summer. This will be a typical tourist trip, but once in a lifetime for us. I typically don’t shoot much wide, but there will be more opportunities on this trip. I have the following and drive a lot for work so I always have most of these in the car. Definitely want to keep it light for the trip. Need 2 light kits from this . Wife not quite as serious as me about photography.

Oly12mm 2.0 = NO

Oly17mm 1.8 = NO

Oly 25mm 1.8 = NO

Oly 45mm 1.8 = NO

Oly 75mm 1.8 = NO

Pana 25mm 1.4 = NO

Oly 12-40 Pro 2.8 = YES

Pana 35-100 2.8 = YES

Oly 75-300 I = NO

14-150 II = NO

EM10 II, EM5 II, Pen F , EP5, EPL6

Take the body that you are most comfortable with and one body as a backup but make sure that it uses the same batteries.

I have been looking at a Oly 12-100 f4, but have not pulled the trigger.

That would be a good move to save carrying the two I recommended above. Also add a Samyang 7.5mm fisheye for those odd cramped spaces.

The 12-40mm plus 35-100mm plus 7.5mm fisheye is all I use now for any "serious" trip. Bodies being E-P5 and a spare E-P5 just in case.

An upcoming shorter holiday to Singapore soon I will use only my Sony RX100 M6 with its "24-200mm" zoom, so easy, more photos, less fussin'. It's also what my wife uses all the time now.

Regards..... Guy

Lacko Contributing Member • Posts: 724
Re: Travel

EM10 II + Oly 12-40 and enjoy that trip. It is (at least for me) more important experience than playing with cameras and lenses all the time.

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VolodymyrCZ Regular Member • Posts: 296
Re: Travel

Greetings from Europe and welcome!:)

For our narrow streets you will definitely need something wide and sometimes something longish for those over the river shots. For country side a standard zoom would do the job.

Considering your equipment I'd pick the following:

E-M5II + 12-40 2.8 PRO - it will be the default combo for most shots.

Pen F + 25 1.4 for night shots and portraits (many cities are even more beautiful at night)

Pana 35-100 for those rare long shots (this lens is not mandatory, but considering its size for a 70-200 eqv. lens I'd take it anyway).

And the main advise from a fellow photographer, don't forget to look around outside your EVF:) I have to remind it to myself all the time:D

Best regards,

Vlad.

gnik1 Regular Member • Posts: 263
Re: Travel

TexasSnapper wrote:

I have a 2 week Europe trip planned for the summer. This will be a typical tourist trip, but once in a lifetime for us. I typically don’t shoot much wide, but there will be more opportunities on this trip. I have the following and drive a lot for work so I always have most of these in the car. Definitely want to keep it light for the trip. Need 2 light kits from this . Wife not quite as serious as me about photography.

Oly12mm 2.0

Oly17mm 1.8

Oly 25mm 1.8

Oly 45mm 1.8

Oly 75mm 1.8

Pana 25mm 1.4

Oly 12-40 Pro 2.8

Pana 35-100 2.8

Oly 75-300 I

14-150 II

EM10 II, EM5 II, Pen F , EP5, EPL6

I have been looking at a Oly 12-100 f4, but have not pulled the trigger.

Assuming one kit is for you & the other for your wife (less serious), I would suggest-

12-40 2.8 + 35-100 2.8 for you.

14-150 for your wife.

Plus I'd throw in a 'normal' prime or two for night time / indoors, e.g. 17 1.8, 25 1.4.

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pop2eye Forum Member • Posts: 78
Re: Travel

Another consideration is how many guided yours you will be taking.  The average tourist nowadays is taking photos and selfies with their cell phones.  The guide and group will not be waiting around while you are changing lenses.  For that reason alone, the 12-40mm needs to be your go-to lens.  It has a focal range that covers the majority of situations and is fast enough to be used inside churches and museums.  On my two most recent international trips to southern Europe and New Zealand, my 12-40mm stayed on my E-M10 the entire time.

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Sam in Hawaii Contributing Member • Posts: 500
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Here’s a heretical idea; take your favorite m43 combo and a good compact like an rx100x or lx100 as the second camera. Tiny, flexible, and there really aren’t m43 equivalents. The rx100 mkiii and later have evf and different lens ranges, take your pick. The lx100 and marginally better lx100 mk ii are f/1.7-2.8 25-75 equivalent angle zooms on ¾ of an m43 sensor. Either will fit in a big coat pocket or small bag. Lx100 new will probably cost less than a two week rental of 12-200.  Both work well, minimum fuss.

Typing on an iPad sure encourages terseness ...

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inlawbiker Senior Member • Posts: 2,066
Re: Travel

TexasSnapper wrote:

I have a 2 week Europe trip planned for the summer. This will be a typical tourist trip, but once in a lifetime for us.  Definitely want to keep it light for the trip. Need 2 light kits from this . Wife not quite as serious as me about photography.

I would keep it simple and make photography a secondary priority. Two weeks isn't very long. Your kit is fully fleshed out but you're looking to add more? I think you have this covered. I'd bring the E-M10 II + 17 + 45.

Oly12mm 2.0

Oly17mm 1.8

Oly 25mm 1.8

Oly 45mm 1.8

Oly 75mm 1.8

Pana 25mm 1.4

Oly 12-40 Pro 2.8

Pana 35-100 2.8

Oly 75-300 I

14-150 II

EM10 II, EM5 II, Pen F , EP5, EPL6

I have been looking at a Oly 12-100 f4, but have not pulled the trigger.

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Guy Parsons
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pop2eye wrote:

Another consideration is how many guided yours you will be taking. The average tourist nowadays is taking photos and selfies with their cell phones. The guide and group will not be waiting around while you are changing lenses.

Absolutely, you definitely get left behind or annoy the group with the delays.

For that reason alone, the 12-40mm needs to be your go-to lens. It has a focal range that covers the majority of situations and is fast enough to be used inside churches and museums. On my two most recent international trips to southern Europe and New Zealand, my 12-40mm stayed on my E-M10 the entire time.

As a self organised tourist where time stayed in spots is nearly always at our own discretion, my wife and I take all the time we like to cover what looks like a good place.

Even with the luxury of time the zoom lens always makes way more sense as unexpected things pass by quickly and the zoom often allows a shot as compared to fumbling for the right lens would not.

For me even the 12-40/2.8 was too restrictive and I never changed lenses to the 35-100/2.8 as often as I should have. I should really part with more $$ and get the 12-100/4.

Anyway, this zoom range problem is solved for a Singapore trip very soon as I will only take my Sony RX100 M6 and its "24-200mm" performance will suit me better, and may also prove if this is a worthwhile decision to "abandon" M4/3 for a trip.

The real lesson in the past is when we get home and finally combine all the shots we both take into day dated folders. Mine are a so-so collection, mostly wide, but my wife's is always more enjoyable to look at as she has long used only small pocket cameras with zooms like "28-200mm", "24-300mm" and lastly with "25-450mm" and next trip also with Sony at "24-200mm" that withstands a 2x crop to "400mm" if needed.

I seem to concentrate on scenes as I mostly simply leave the 12-40mm on the camera, meanwhile she gets those scenes and also picks off interesting detail and faces with ease - the same ease that I'm now finding with my Sony with "24-200mm".

The choice seems to be have quality shots but miss the interesting ones and the variety, or indulge in bigger zooms and get all shots but at (maybe invisibly) lesser quality. If the shots are about the memories then the quality never really matters.

As usual I've rambled in my first post for the day, but if there's any lesson at all here that I've learned in the last 60 years of photography, is that a small camera with big zoom makes life so easy and gets more shots.

Regards..... Guy

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nevada5 wrote:

Save your energy. Another hit and run.

To be fair to the OP hit and run posts tend to have a lot more hit!!!

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Mike Gunter
Mike Gunter Regular Member • Posts: 392
Re: Travel

Sam in Hawaii wrote:

Here’s a heretical idea; take your favorite m43 combo and a good compact like an rx100x or lx100 as the second camera. Tiny, flexible, and there really aren’t m43 equivalents. The rx100 mkiii and later have evf and different lens ranges, take your pick. The lx100 and marginally better lx100 mk ii are f/1.7-2.8 25-75 equivalent angle zooms on ¾ of an m43 sensor. Either will fit in a big coat pocket or small bag. Lx100 new will probably cost less than a two week rental of 12-200. Both work well, minimum fuss.

Typing on an iPad sure encourages terseness ...

I quite agree. My point of view on these things is that some trips are to take pictures, but others are to see and enjoy new things and places.
If it's the former, take gear to do it (I do it and really enjoy it). If it's the second, take a really nice P&S and know how to use it (we enjoy that, too).

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